Kettle calling a pot black. Have you refuted my points? Philippine lost control for Scarborough is a victory for Philippine and disaster for China? Who is AH Q?
I've made plenty of counter-arguments in post #101 which you totally ignored.
When did I ever said the Philippines was a victor in the Scarborough shoal skirmish?? You're making arguments out of thin air again. I've even given China due credit for successfully bullied the Philippines in the Scarborough shoals. You keep making strawman arguments one after another without addressing my real counter-arguments.
The US was the victor since after that incident, the neighbourhood has changed their views about China and is welcoming the US back (read my link in post #101). The Philippines,
who was on friendly terms with China before 2009 and had plan to do joint oil exploration with China has now turned 180 degree and filing an ongoing legal case against China. So regarding the US-China power struggle in Asia, which was my main focusing point in this thread, the US is winning and the Scarborough shoal incident can be seen as a disaster for China.
US so far has not demonstrated any concrete action to help Vietnam gained even a single inch of water or land but demonstrated impotent of inaction?
When did Viet Nam ever asked the US to help Viet Nam to gain any water or land??? Viet Nam never lost any territory since 2009. As for US concrete actions, Viet Nam asked the US to diplomatically condemn the Oil rig placement and the US did, by passing a Senate resolution that objected to China's actions and officially asked China to withdrew.
And within one week of the US condemning China's action, China withdrew the oil rig, much earlier than it planned to. Those two events could be related or it could be a pure coincident. But it nevertheless gave the impression to VietNam and other onlookers that China folded to US pressure. So I don't know how you could spin it around and said China was the victor and exposed the US as "impotent."
China did however succeeded in gaining new waters from the Philippines. But this is a blunder considering that the Philippines was previously on very friendly terms with China and had no plan to invite the US back into its territory. After China successfully deceived and bullied the Philippines in the Scarborough shoals, the Philippines has now become the most anti-China country in ASEAN and is now pursuing legal against in a tribunal. More importantly, it has now welcomed the US back. Even worse, China has made most Asian countries wary of her (read my article in post #101). So China gained a little but lost bigger things. So off course the US would initially sit back and let China do her bullying against the Philippines.
And the US didn't break their MDT with the Philippines because the US is only obliged to respond to attack on Filipino territory, not to disputed territory. Now all the US need to do is to wait for the tribunal to declare whether the Scarborough shoals are Filipino waters or not. Then you can judge whether the US is impotent or not.
So I don't see how you and your compatriots can keep spinning it around as some kind of Chinese victory and how China has exposed the US as impotent and not being able to fulfill it's MDT obligation. China is losing to the US in the power struggle in Asia. If you think my view is wrong, then ask yourself this: If the US has been exposed as impotent, then why is Viet Nam and the Philippines (and other Asian countries) still welcoming the US into Asia? If the US was exposed as impotent, shouldn't VN, PH, JP ignore the US and start compromising with China? But we can clearly see the opposite is happening. So your claims are only Ah Q spiritual victory that doesn't reflect reality.
While Vietnam has to crap down anti China protest and continue China policy of AIIB in hand to serve China expansion. Who is the Ah Q?
When violent riots occur, every countries would need to stop them immediately. But the anti-China riots proved that the oil rig achieved in making the Vietnamese people extremely anti-China.
As for the AIIB, I've already addressed it in post #101. Read it. Vietnam and the Philippines being AIIB members will have no implications for the SCS dispute.
China island construction at Spratly island continue at electric pace with no resistance other than blank warning. Who is the Ah Q?
VietNam and the Philippines has also done construction work. You are not achieving anything with the construction work. The work are done on reefs that are already in China's possession. You are not gaining any new waters. It only serve your opponents in allowing them to use it against you in the PR war.
You can repeat 10000 times but it will not changed any facts.
You are the one entertaining Ah Q spiritual victories in your mind that doesn't correlate with facts. You refused to address my counter-arguments and keep repeating your Ah Q spiritual victories.
But since you've once complained why I only attribute Ah Q mentality to some Chinese and not to Vietnamese, I will have to do so to be fair. I don't agree with you that Viet members has declared victory in this thread (one member was actually lobbying the US for help), but I will say that some other Vietnamese has shown their Ah Q mentality in other ways:
We all know that Russia's interest currently converge with China's interest rather than with Viet Nam. Russia's relationship with China is no doubt more important than their relationship with Vietnam. And we can see this with those huge oil and gas agreement, etc. Even militarily, Russia played a very important role in help getting China's military industry started. Sold many important military assets to China, etc. But a few Vietnamese members still insist that Russia is a true reliable ally of Vietnam (what reliable ally would arm your enemy?) and will help VietNam is the SCS (even though Russia stayed totally silent). They could only rationalize this through their Ah Q mentality. When Russia sold them a few Kilos and corvettes, it was an Ah Q victory for them because they ignore the fact that Russia have previously already sold even more Kilos and more potent frigates to China. They brag about a few Su-30 with their Ah Q mentality but ignore the fact that Russia has supplied hundreds of Su-30/27 and kits for China, which helped China's military aviation industry. And they are still dreaming that Russia is a true ally of Vietnam with their Ah Q spirit. Their Ah Q thoughts does not correlate with facts. So yes, you are free (and totally justified) to make fun of the Ah Q spirit of theses Vietnamese members who still dream about the Russia-VN alliance in fighting China.