Now what for PAF JH7B or SU 35, but both will be a psychological edge over our adversary

[Tipu7]

I would like to add AIM-9x or A-Darter as well...

Tiger Eye system (Targeting pod+ IRST pod)
Add it too, from my side......

 

[Cornered Tiger]

Tiger Eye system (Targeting pod+ IRST pod)

We have SNIPER Targeting Pod in our inventory, so we only needs IRST now, As per your wish

 

[cerberus]

Ask, Indians, Israelis, Soviets and Communist Afghanistan. PAF tally is higher than India on all counts.

Except 1965 PAF was Never a Superior Force in Any of War against India PAF Sorties are Mostly Based on Defense Strategy they are Never claimed Air Superiority over Indian air space at Any war Even in 65 the Indian Air Force's attrition rate (1.5%) was lower than the Pakistani attrition rate (1.82%)

In 1971 IAF Maintained its Air Superiority over East Pakistan Within Few Days of War
Even in Western Side the PAF Strategy Was Defensive after Failure of Operation Chengiz Khan Perfect Example is Battle of Longewala where PAF Failed to Provide Air Support to its Ground Forces Which Resulted in Major Equipment Loss to PA and Ultimately Lead to there Humiliating Defeat

Considering PAF has battle hardened pilots, flying F-16 from the 80s, an excellent
Whilst IAF pilots operating an entirely new system, which although has seen action. But not as intense as the F-16.
I believe that it's safe to say that PAF pilots will hold a decade long advantage over their IAF counterparts just because of better training, experience and battle hardened logistics setup.

That Point is Completely Absurd And Most Common Layman argument By that Logic PLAAF is Completely Amateur Airforce When It Comes to what you call Battle Hardened.

In Modern Aerial warfare Pilots of Any Air-forces are Professionals And Do regular training and Flying Sorties Each year with over 300-400 Flying hours That Include Regular Taking Part in International Exercises.For Example If you are following News on PDF Lately IAF Fighters Contingent is in Alaska For Red Flag Exercises

The Superiority of the Pilot is Purely Depends Upon Superior Training that Depends Upon Monetary Budget of the Air-force Its Completely Rational Fact

 

[muhammadali233]

Su 35 is Not possible ; because of Indian pressure

If india had used the same pressure in pursuing their own indigenous fighter, tejas would have been a reality.

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

Except 1965 PAF was Never a Superior Force in Any of War against India PAF Sorties are Mostly Based on Defense Strategy they are Never claimed Air Superiority over Indian air space at Any war Even in 65 the Indian Air Force's attrition rate (1.5%) was lower than the Pakistani attrition rate (1.82%)

In 1971 IAF Maintained its Air Superiority over East Pakistan Within Few Days of War
Even in Western Side the PAF Strategy Was Defensive after Failure of Operation Chengiz Khan Perfect Example is Battle of Longewala where PAF Failed to Provide Air Support to its Ground Forces Which Resulted in Major Equipment Loss to PA and Ultimately Lead to there Humiliating Defeat

That Point is Completely Absurd And Most Common Layman argument By that Logic PLAAF is Completely Amateur Airforce When It Comes to what you call Battle Hardened.

In Modern Aerial warfare Pilots of Any Air-forces are Professionals And Do regular training and Flying Sorties Each year with over 300-400 Flying hours That Include Regular Taking Part in International Exercises.For Example If you are following News on PDF Lately IAF Fighters Contingent is in Alaska For Red Flag Exercises

The Superiority of the Pilot is Purely Depends Upon Superior Training that Depends Upon Monetary Budget of the Air-force Its Completely Rational Fact

Except 1965 PAF was Never a Superior Force in Any of War against India PAF Sorties are Mostly Based on Defense Strategy they are Never claimed Air Superiority over Indian air space at Any war Even in 65 the Indian Air Force's attrition rate (1.5%) was lower than the Pakistani attrition rate (1.82%)

In 1971 IAF Maintained its Air Superiority over East Pakistan Within Few Days of War
Even in Western Side the PAF Strategy Was Defensive after Failure of Operation Chengiz Khan Perfect Example is Battle of Longewala where PAF Failed to Provide Air Support to its Ground Forces Which Resulted in Major Equipment Loss to PA and Ultimately Lead to there Humiliating Defeat

That Point is Completely Absurd And Most Common Layman argument By that Logic PLAAF is Completely Amateur Airforce When It Comes to what you call Battle Hardened.

In Modern Aerial warfare Pilots of Any Air-forces are Professionals And Do regular training and Flying Sorties Each year with over 300-400 Flying hours That Include Regular Taking Part in International Exercises.For Example If you are following News on PDF Lately IAF Fighters Contingent is in Alaska For Red Flag Exercises

The Superiority of the Pilot is Purely Depends Upon Superior Training that Depends Upon Monetary Budget of the Air-force Its Completely Rational Fact

you should better read this article
Indo-Pakistani Air War of 1965

by the way , the picture of captured indian gnat

 

[Tipu7]

We have SNIPER Targeting Pod in our inventory, so we only needs IRST now, As per your wish

Yup.
But by Tiger Eye system, we can carry sniper pod and IRST pod at single hard point.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

JH7B is a good option for PAF bhai g especially for naval role and su 35 is more of an air superiority fighter.
Bhai g there should be a 4.5 gen jet to complement a 5th gen. In a scenario like India Pakistan both 4.5 and 5th gen jets are needed to attain air dominance.

Bro you missing a very basic points
1) JH-7B is not a 4th Gen aircraft.
2) What aircraft would navy pilots go after this aircraft JF-17's ?
3) PN has been looking and some JF17's will soon be added.
4) JF-17 and F16blk 52 are 4 th Gen which have been upgraded to be 4+.Adding more F16's blk 52 with upgrade radar would make them 4.5 which the Rafale and SU-30 MKI are.
5) JF17blk 3 would be 4 ++ or you may say almost 4.3.

It does not seem that inducting an other 4th Gen aircraft would have any advantage. PAF can afford to get even basic 5th Gen platform and then work on it till the first Rafales land in India once the contract is finally signed. The JF-17 in the next 2 years would be entering 4.5 or higher equalling the Rafales..

If PAF get the F-16 blk 15 or blk 40's from the market and upgrades them then it is a win win because the number game advantage would be minimised. These aircraft would be available and the restrictions would also not matter much.

 

[imranyounus]

If PAF was ever intreasted in JH7s we might have seen them in service as early as 2010. PAF needed a striker to replace Mirages.
So if they haven't bought them till now they won't buy them in future also F16 is still very capable aircraft even US will have them in service for a decent period. So a mix of F16 JF 17 till 2020 and afterwards we might look for some thing may be F 31 will be best option and by 2030 we might get F 35 if we have good relations with US by than. Or may be by that time we will not need them China may have some thing batter by than.

 

[A-Team]

Ask, Indians, Israelis, Soviets and Communist Afghanistan. PAF tally is higher than India on all counts.

Was a genuine question but seems to have shaken a few feathers here so calm down folks

Though doubt you can call an F16 shooting down a couple of old Mig 21s or AN-32 transport airplanes as any feat.

The Afghan side were not flying any comparable planes to that what pakistan had at its disposable in a dog fight at least.

They were slated to receive Mig-29s then that you can call a fair fight.

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

Was a genuine question but seems to have shaken a few feathers here so calm down folks

Though doubt you can call an F16 shooting down a couple of old Mig 21s or AN-32 transport airplanes as any feat.

The Afghan side were not flying any comparable planes to that what pakistan had at its disposable in a dog fight at least.

They were slated to receive Mig-29s then that you can call a fair fight.

BRO , you need to calm down . PAF has also shot down Soviet aircrafts.

 

[enquencher]

@Admin what is going out sir..this thread has reached limit the fanboys can think upto.
Pn getting aircraft carrier
Jf17 block 3 equals rafale
Analyst saying jf17 with aesa equals rafale

This was expected after indian news abt rafale but this is heights.
Plz move thread in comedy section and admin also.

 

[A-Team]

Ah oOooo

Should have been mentioned, AFGHAN pilots are better than anyone else.

I think Afghan pilots were pretty good in their times because they were in active combat in the 80s but again this question was a genuine query, not sure why your trolling me

Current Afghan pilots are young, learning new stuff and in time they will learn some of the traits of the game, remeber being a pilot is a not a superhuman feat, you just need time, experience and good toys.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The options for PAF regarding a 4.5 gen jet is now Shrinking having Rafale deal finalized by India and SAAB and USA already lobbying for there Grippen and F-16s and F-18s. Our entire inventory is obsolete in front of rafale and to tackle that and maintain a reasonable balance of power there are two most attractive options for PAF now.

1. JH7B
2. SU35

JH7B is easy to acquire, few tweaks for PAF and a complete strike fighter with a massive radar excellent fuel carrying capacity is ready to unleash hell on enemy, can strike deep into enemy territory with hell lot of bombing load. JH7B can perform naval missions perfectly no need to modify JF17, JH7B is already ready for this roll.

SU35 can come to Pakistan now, bright chances after mmrca deal is now done. we can go to Russia and acquire this jet. If India can reject Russian Jets, Its a good time to make some diplomatic moves and make arrangements to get this amazing jet.

Pakistan can't trust americans, Russians or any of those type of people. Pakistan has to find suitable stop gap solutions for the next few years and wait for China's full induction and production of the J-20 fighter. Once Pakistan gets these then can we narrow the gap with our enemies.

 

[zebra7]

@Admin what is going out sir..this thread has reached limit the fanboys can think upto.
Pn getting aircraft carrier
Jf17 block 3 equals rafale
Analyst saying jf17 with aesa equals rafale

This was expected after indian news abt rafale but this is heights.
Plz move thread in comedy section and admin also.

Calm down, let the members express their views.

Pakistan can't trust americans, Russians or any of those type of people. Pakistan has to find suitable stop gap solutions for the next few years and wait for China's full induction and production of the J-20 fighter. Once Pakistan gets these then can we narrow the gap with our enemies.

Don't you think China is not going to export or share any high end weapon like J-20 with anyone.

 

[Erroroverload]

JH-7B is not a 4th Gen aircraft

With massive Aesa Radar huge payload excellent ECM capabilities able to carry 8 BVRs can carry 4 anti ship missiles, just imagine 15 or 20 of these fighters going on a mission, what the end result would be.
SU 35s or 52s can cover these fighter if necessary.

we cant just now live in defensive mode. world is changing. might is right.