Now, Sena targets mosques over loudspeakers

[Fireurimagination]

So next are they going to ban those ting ting bells in mandirs. Hundreds if not thousands followers of shiv, hunuman and so on strike the bells daily adding to noise pollution.

And dont forget those unending bhajans

Ting ting bells are not played on loudspeakers, law is clear no noise over 20 decibels and none what so ever during 10 PM - 6 AM

But Muslims generally live in Ghettos hence this thing mostly happen in Muslim localities, so I guess majority there have no issue and hence it is overlooked but yeah few non-muslims do get stuck

 

[Peshwa]

Ting ting bells are not played on loudspeakers, law is clear no noise over 20 decibels and none what so ever during 10 PM - 6 AM

But Muslims generally live in Ghettos hence this thing mostly happen in Muslim localities, so I guess majority there have no issue and hence it is overlooked but yeah few non-muslims do get stuck

WTF is that supposed to mean? Muslims live in Ghettos?

I have Muslim families living in my locality in Mumbai....and trust me....I certainly dont live in a "ghetto"

Please dont spread misinformation....

 

[Spring Onion]

Where in the article does it say Azan will be banned at the call and beckon of Shiv Sena?

In fact isnt the article the exact opposite? Shiv Sena was fined for a Hindu processsion......

And we can always rely on you to make a mountain out of a molehill.....From Azan (call to a prayer), you have moved to banning Islamic prayer?
You're simply instigating a flame war.....

Secondly, except for being part of Islamic culture, does Azan really hold any significance anymore?
In the Prophets time, there were no clocks or alarms, so Azan served as a wake up call to prayers.....With modern tech such as Alarms etc, is it really important to disturb the community with Loud noises early in the am? Religions (I mean all religions) have to progress and evolve with time...

1. Do you think the muazzan (a person who say Azan) should go door to door of every Muslim house hold scattered in a city and then start giving azan without using loud speaker ????



2. bajrangis, saffaronis need some education before pitching such demands. Atleast educate them to pick a sane reason. here shiv sena presented noise pollution as the reason, so by going their reasoning you have to ban many things.


3. I wonder how much Hinduism got modernised with passage of time??


4. I would say again BAN everything relating to Islam in India i have no objection over that but do it through proper channel. Bring parliament into it pass the bill and ban anything be it loudspeaker or azan or even nimaz. BUT not at Gun point of shiv sena terrorists.

 

[Spring Onion]

WTF is that supposed to mean? Muslims live in Ghettos?

I have Muslim families living in my locality in Mumbai....and trust me....I certainly dont live in a "ghetto"

Please dont spread misinformation....

He surely is talking about 99% Muslims in India not 1% filmi ones

 

[Peshwa]

He surely is talking about 99% Muslims in India not 1% filmi ones

Unless you're the Census Beureau of India..., you should refrain from spreading your personal whims and fantasies as reality.....

Or else, all the "Sh!t" floating about your country can easily be termed as reality.....which people like you defend....
So please give us the same courtesy...

 

[Hulk]

I am not in favor of using loadspeaker for something we do everyday. I would like this to be applied to every religion. Unfortunately what happens in India is that when Hindus does it and Muslims complain they take offence and the same happens vice versa. We have actually got into a habit of doing what we want and use religion as a cover in case any one opposes. So in our world when it comes to religion right and wrong does not matter.

What does loadspeaker has to do with prayer? I am positive that when prayers started long back there were no loudspeakers. So when for thousands of years we did not used them, then why we need them now.

Prayer are for yourself and for the group inside, not for soemone who is not interested. It should be private affair.

Applicable to all religion.

 

[Hulk]

1. Do you think the muazzan (a person who say Azan) should go door to door of every Muslim house hold scattered in a city and then start giving azan without using loud speaker ????

What muazzan use to do when there were no loaudspeakers, in old days? I do not think loudspeaker or even electricity was commonly available 100 years back.

 

[Peshwa]

1. Do you think the muazzan (a person who say Azan) should go door to door of every Muslim house hold scattered in a city and then start giving azan without using loud speaker ????

Like I said, Azan is a part of Islamic culture...NOT a religious requirement....
Its use was to wake people up....
Since we live in the modern era and have access to alarms, the people who are devout have other means to wake and go to prayer....

2. bajrangis, saffaronis need some education before pitching such demands. Atleast educate them to pick a sane reason. here shiv sena presented noise pollution as the reason, so by going their reasoning you have to ban many things.

Did you read ANYTHING I wrote.....Shiv Sena was fined for a loud religious procession and this was a tit-for tat from them.....

Besides its a free country.....
TPut a lid on the likes of Hafiz Saeed and Zaid Hamid and ask them to STFU and not make non sensical calls for Jihad and Fatwas and then you can come tell us what to do...

3. I wonder how much Hinduism got modernised with passage of time??

For one, Sati one of the worst practices has been abolished....

Hindus used to eat cows, now we dont.....

Branches of Hinduism such as Jainism and Buddhism improve on the negatives.....that itself is a great attestation to its progress...

I can speak for a lot more, but I stand by my statement... ALL religions have room for improvement.....But somehow many people think that a religion like Islam that was formed in the middle ages is still perfect and needs no modification to suit modern life....Yeah right!

4. I would say again BAN everything relating to Islam in India i have no objection over that but do it through proper channel. Bring parliament into it pass the bill and ban anything be it loudspeaker or azan or even nimaz. BUT not at Gun point of shiv sena terrorists.

Thanks. you dont think we know that? I think Indians are much more aware of political channels used to implement such changes....

And again...where does it say that Shiv Sena asked and the law was delivered?

Unless Mumbai implements this as a law.....your point is irrelevant and you should hold your horses until that happens.....

 

[StingRoy]

1. Do you think the muazzan (a person who say Azan) should go door to door of every Muslim house hold scattered in a city and then start giving azan without using loud speaker ????

Certainly not!... See the prayer times (Salaat) are fixed and everyone knows what the prayer times are according to the calendar.

2. bajrangis, saffaronis need some education before pitching such demands. Atleast educate them to pick a sane reason. here shiv sena presented noise pollution as the reason, so by going their reasoning you have to ban many things.

Of course... things are changing and new rules are being brought in as we modernize and live in the current times. In many cities there are already bans on usage of loudspeakers before 6 in the morning and after 10 in the night.

3. I wonder how much Hinduism got modernised with passage of time??

A lot I would say... For ex. some temples have an electronic ticketing system for offering prayers, air conditioned halls, etc. Hinduism is a philosophy of life not governed by rules in a book (as is in Islam, Christianity or Judaism). My form of Hinduism will be different than my parents for sure... that much I can guarantee. Everyone is free to have their own interpretation if they want to.

4. I would say again BAN everything relating to Islam in India i have no objection over that but do it through proper channel. Bring parliament into it pass the bill and ban anything be it loudspeaker or azan or even nimaz. BUT not at Gun point of shiv sena terrorists.

Why ban Islam? You are talking nonsensical at this point and no one is pointing guns here. If the concerned parties disagree they can go to the court.

 

[StingRoy]

What muazzan use to do when there were no loaudspeakers, in old days? I do not think loudspeaker or even electricity was commonly available 100 years back.

Good question... someone else also raised this question in a previous post. At that time the Muazaan used to say Azaan from the top of the minaret of the mosque. That was the reason why minarets were built on all four corners so that they could sound the prayer call to all four directions.

 

[Hulk]

I can speak for a lot more, but I stand by my statement... ALL religions have room for improvement.....But somehow many people think that a religion like Islam that was formed in the middle ages is still perfect and needs no modification to suit modern life....Yeah right!

I agree with that and when it comes to religion people behave like ill literates. Anything closely related to religion, even if not mandatory people will take offence even if the other person has valid reason. We should grow up.

 

[Hulk]

Good question... someone else also raised this question in a previous post. At that time the Muazaan used to say Azaan from the top of the minaret of the mosque. That was the reason why minarets were built on all four corners so that they could sound the prayer call to all four directions.

My point is, people who want to pray can come to the place of prayer if they want. I have seen samething with Ganesh and Durga pooja. Loudspeakers playing loud prayers and no one is listening to them. Prayer is something important, if the person does not remember or time or does not go to the Mosque, than why do he need to listen? leave it. It is like forcing people to listen rather than they doing it by their choice.

 

[ARSENAL6]

What muazzan use to do when there were no loaudspeakers, in old days? I do not think loudspeaker or even electricity was commonly available 100 years back.

No but they did shout aload enough for huge area to be heard which is not much difference when having a loudspeaker.
However having it too loud is not what I favour.

 

[ARSENAL6]

My point is, people who want to pray can come to the place of prayer if they want. I have seen samething with Ganesh and Durga pooja. Loudspeakers playing loud prayers and no one is listening to them. Prayer is something important, if the person does not remember or time or does not go to the Mosque, than why do he need to listen? leave it. It is like forcing people to listen rather than they doing it by their choice.

If he/she is Muslim they have to.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Activities resulting in noise exceeding 50 decibels should be punishable by law,irrespective of what cause religion,entertainment what so ever.