Notify PAF Aircraft Crashes

[Jango]

An aircraft isn't declared fit to fly unless it isn't. If an aircraft is cleared to leave it's shelter and takeoff in the air force, it means that it can do the job and fly safely and come back.

Most crashes are due to pilot error, bird strike, FOD< and yes in some cases it does so happen that a technical fault happened.

We shouldn't be jumping to conclusions about the crash, and hold on to our horses.

 

[Bratva]

Sometimes are good sometimes are bad, unfortunately AF is going through a bad patch because of such incidents and causalities. But the situation is too overly stated or wrongly interpreted at reader's end as well...Aging fleet is not always the reason behind the crash.

In all the recent crashes mostly were merely bad luck or slight miscalculation at pilots part, some were birdhits and FOD (which is and will remain no.1 threat for PAF).

An aircraft isn't declared fit to fly unless it isn't. If an aircraft is cleared to leave it's shelter and takeoff in the air force, it means that it can do the job and fly safely and come back.

Most crashes are due to pilot error, bird strike, FOD< and yes in some cases it does so happen that a technical fault happened.

We shouldn't be jumping to conclusions about the crash, and hold on to our horses.

The bad part about these crashes are we lost 5-6 SQ.Leaders in 2011-2012 year. 1 due to unconfirmed FOD (JF-17), one due to technical fault in turkey, 3-4 Sq.Leaders due to human error. 3 sq.leaders in that mushaq training aircraft mishap and one Sq.leader in this mirage crash.

No airforce has ever lost such experienced pilots in such time.

 

[Najam Khan]

An aircraft isn't declared fit to fly unless it isn't. If an aircraft is cleared to leave it's shelter and takeoff in the air force, it means that it can do the job and fly safely and come back.
Most crashes are due to pilot error, bird strike, FOD< and yes in some cases it does so happen that a technical fault happened.

Regarding FOD, its still the no.1 threat for PAF. Each yr they cost 10million USD$ (thats an official count).

The bad part about these crashes are we lost 5-6 SQ.Leaders in 2011-2012 year. 1 due to unconfirmed FOD (JF-17), one due to technical fault in turkey, 3-4 Sq.Leaders due to human error. 3 sq.leaders in that mushaq training aircraft mishap and one Sq.leader in this mirage crash.

No airforce has ever lost such experienced pilots in such time.

Yes, indeed loss of precious life has no compensation.

 

[Jango]

Regarding FOD, its still the no.1 threat for PAF. Each yr they cost 10million USD$ (thats an official count).

Yeah, that's why there is a FOD walk/drill every other day/week (depending on season and other factors), and the whole base walks the runway and taxiways to check for it. (well the older officers just move around chit chatting!!!). Everybody longs for the time that DCO (duty carried out) is conveyed to the base commander!!!

Something like this.

 

[Gessler]

Indian Defence Research, talking about flying coffins is like pot calling the kettle black. Wonder where they got the inspiration from.

What a pathetic response. A pilot died and all you can think of India, India, India.

Atleast pay some homage for those guys up there in the those decades-old Mirages crashing at rate of
1 per month. Is there any no. available as to how many Mirages of PAF have crashed so far and how many
ac were actually inducted since the beginning?

Anyway RIP to pilot.

 

[Windjammer]

What a pathetic response. A pilot died and all you can think of India, India, India.

Atleast pay some homage for those guys up there in the those decades-old Mirages crashing at rate of
1 per month. Is there any no. available as to how many Mirages of PAF have crashed so far and how many
ac were actually inducted since the beginning?

Anyway RIP to pilot.

My reply was to the Indian member who couldn't resist posting an Indian link on a several days old news. !!

 

[Gessler]

My reply was to the Indian member who couldn't resist posting an Indian link on a several days old news. !!

I don't think it matters whether its Indian link or Pakistani link. Im pretty sure the IDRW link didn't
add anything exaggerating or intensifying in the common sense of the world, nothing like Pak's state-run
media source thrashing ALH Dhruv will messed up news and ill-sourced info after the Ecuador crash
(which was actually due to pilot error).

Mirage IS a flying coffin today

You're response was comical and childish. Flying coffin is just a term used to name a frequently-crashing
ac, the USMC Harrier AV-8B is called widow-maker after 50% of the fleet crashed in just 30 yrs.

 

[Trisonics]

But unlike the Indian MiG-21s, it's not just been one type to be singled out....nor are the same reasons...I.E...human error. !!

That would be a cause for great concern, since whatever the reasons causing these crashes, maintenance or pilot training is a blanket-problem with the force while India's problem only seems to be narrowed down to one plane which it will replace eventually.

 

[Windjammer]

I don't think it matters whether its Indian link or Pakistani link. Im pretty sure the IDRW link didn't
add anything exaggerating or intensifying in the common sense of the world, nothing like Pak's state-run
media source thrashing ALH Dhruv will messed up news and ill-sourced info after the Ecuador crash
(which was actually due to pilot error).

Mirage IS a flying coffin today

You're response was comical and childish. Flying coffin is just a term used to name a frequently-crashing
ac, the USMC Harrier AV-8B is called widow-maker after 50% of the fleet crashed in just 30 yrs.

Dude it was the original Hawker Sidley Harrier which became known as the widow maker, the Americans perfected it to a great extent in fact improvised on it.....don't know about the USMC, but IN has lost over half of it's fleet of Naval Harriers, which unlike the USMC, never once fired in anger. !!

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

What a pathetic response. A pilot died and all you can think of India, India, India.

Atleast pay some homage for those guys up there in the those decades-old Mirages crashing at rate of
1 per month. Is there any no. available as to how many Mirages of PAF have crashed so far and how many
ac were actually inducted since the beginning?

Anyway RIP to pilot.

Yeah, and we all know the crash rate of those bisons! How many have you lost in the past 5 years alone (forget since induction!)

And we don't need Indian on net to remind us to pay homage to one of our own fallen sons of the pure soil. The last few pages have been devoted. Windjammer was just pointing out the ludicrous nature of your "defence orgs" who call the Mirage a flying coffin when this very term was coined by families of dead Indian pilots who lobbied to have bisons grounded - considering they have been and will continue to fall out of the sky due to HALs brilliance at aircraft maintenance.

To even compare both air forces incidents would be idiotic. Numbers speak for themselves! Not to say that the mirages aren't old (most of Em) and are ready for phasing out.

I think your country would be better served by trying at least to produce capable and competent defence analysts



Regards

 

[HRK]

If someone have not posted this link earlier.......

Chronological Listing of Pakistani Losses & Ejections (1953-2009)

Pakistan

 

[Last Hope]

If someone have not posted this link earlier.......

Chronological Listing of Pakistani Losses & Ejections (1953-2009)

Pakistan

It's a great website managed by Mike who is also regular visitor on this forum. Kudos to him for maintaining a regulary updated website personally.

 

[unicorn]

Although the findings of the JFT crash will never be made public but there is one news regarding the martin Baker seats that is gone unheard this year which is related to the F-35 program.Obviously one cannot assume to co relate between the two news but just high-lighting it.

On 26 January, the F-35 Joint Program Office temporarily suspended high speed ground and flight operations at Edwards AFB, Calif., Eglin AFB, Fla. and Lockheed Martin&#8217;s F-35 production facility in Fort Worth, Texas after discovering improperly packed parachutes in affected production and test aircraft.

The temporary suspension affects more than 15 aircraft that have received newer ejection seats. It does not apply to the 8 F-35 test aircraft at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md., which have an earlier version of the ejection seat with the properly packed parachutes.

The Martin Baker Aircraft Corporation supplies the aircraft ejection seats and the apparent cause was due to improperly drafted packing procedures in the -21 and -23 ejection seats. The parachutes packed in the head boxes of these seats were reversed 180 degrees from design during installation. The Joint Program Office is working with Lockheed Martin and its subcontractors, Martin Baker and BAE Systems to expeditiously repack the parachutes. It is estimated to take about 10 days until the first set of repacked parachutes will be available.

Six F-35A jets at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif., are affected. The six F-35A and the three F-35B aircraft at Eglin AFB, Fla., are affected, however, the aircraft there are currently only performing ground testing and this can continue. The parachutes on those jets will be repacked correctly prior to the first flight at Eglin. Aircraft in production at Forth Worth are also affected but their parachutes will be repacked prior to the first acceptance flights.

OLD NEWS

According to PAF spokesman, pilot Squadron Leader Muhammad Hussain ejected successfully but the parachute failed to open properly.

JF-17 Thunder crashes in Attock, pilot killed - PakTribune

 

[Safriz]

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[Windjammer]

R.I.P Brave Warrior.