BS.
Infact if anybody of guilty of twisting facts it is the NCERT that whitewashes the medieval history of India and you have an entire generation of Indians screaming "Tipu the great", "Babur the kind" etc.
Ah yes, those damn secularists spoiling all the fun with their "tolerance" and "harmony" crap!
I have already given the example of this renaming is not restricted to Islamic invaders. Even the names given by British were changed based on popular demand which cut across religious lines.
And stop putting your personal views as our objectives. You look desperate while trying to do so.
Your inference. Not necessarily our demand.
It is your demand as discussed on this very forum about "reclaiming" historical Hindu sites.
Although I can understand now you guys want to change your tune to present a more "reasonable" image.
If you think we treat our Muslims good only because os the Arab oil, sorry to say, you are a bigger fool than I previously thought.
That link you posted itself acknowledged the disproportionate number of Indian Muslims in "Gulf countries". Not Europe, not America, not Australia, but "Gulf countries". The Indians may be fooling the Arabs, but the numbers don't lie.
I thought I had made that very clear.
Islam is an alien idealogy to the SC while Muslims may not be.
So naturally this causes a identity conflict which I have experienced with many North Indian Muslims.
You are projecting your beliefs onto others and then accusing them of "identity crisis". The so-called identity crisis only exists for those people who don't accept Islam as being compatible with "Indian" culture. Indian Muslims don't have this problem. Only the Hindutva crowd rejects Islam's compatibility with India.
They (a minority of Muslims who identify with the foreign Islamic invaders) want the past put on behind , not because of any saintly reasons, but because they dont want accountability. Good for them. Even the Hindus have mostly moved on except in a bare minimum of cases like Ram Janmabhoomi and it is only natural. No one is a saint here and after all we are humans.
It is not what we consider "alien". They are decidedly "alien". History is proof. And I had already made it clear its not on everything, but limited to a bare minimum of our holiest sites. Nothing unreasonable.
This canard of "bare minimum" won't fly. The demands keep increasing; from "Ram Mandir", it became "holiest sites". There are matters of the national anthem; renaming cities, etc. etc.
The "bare minimum" keeps expanding as the Hindutva movement gains membership and confidence.
Any empire within the traditional accepted boundaries of Bharat - Himalayas(North), )Hindukush(West),Myanmar (East), Indian Ocean (South) would automatically become a component empire of Bharat or any civilization within the boundaries a part of the Bharat civilization.
I dont know why are you getting confused on this simple equation.
Never mind my confusion. Just let us know
which Bharati empire encompassed IVC during 2600 - 1900 BCE?
If you fail to do so, then the IVC is an "alien" influence and must be purged from Hinduism. Or you can admit that ancient Bharati culture has no connection to IVC.
Try doing this without using the circular logic of claiming that the boundaries of ancient "Bharat" are defined by all empires which contributed to "Bharati" culture.
You are putting words in my mouth.
Even earlier I had said the North Indian muslims had an identity crisis only spiritually or idealogically, never from a political or national pov.
Take your time and understand what is being said.
Already addressed above.
I take it that you did not understand what Sachar committee is all about. Sachar committee is NOT about whether Muslims are backward or not..but regarding the cause of their backwardness - wwhether it was due to explicit discrimination or due to their own social ills. And it was clearly proved that their backwardness is not due to any discrimination from the society.
I understood perfectly well what the report concluded. It confirmed that Muslims lag behind the national average and found a number of reasons for the disparity. Some of it is due to cultural factors, some due to discrimination.
I can understand why you would want to discount half the report and apply selective interpretation.
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I think your experience with Islam has given the idea that all religions are final and absolutist that secularism (tolerance and respect for other faiths) cannot be a part of the religion itself.
Welcome to Hinduism !
And that is why we can talk of secularism and Hindutva in the same breath. Secularism is a concept that is the backbone of Hinduism.
Never mind my experiences, let's just stick with your own words:
- Islam is "alien" to India.
- Culture is directly tied to religion.
- Ergo, Muslim culture is "alien" to India, i.e. Indian Muslims can never be "true" Indians.
