Not a veiled threat: Burqa ban in France from April

[ephone]

If you are not allowed to walk in half pants in those countries, you should obey the law when you are there. Period.

Otherwise, do not go there.

Same can be said of Saudi, Sudan, Somalia, Nigeria, Kuwait.......

What France does to Muslims, above countries do to Non Muslims....

Fair enough?

A french man can not walk in half pants in Saudia....why?

 

[Kompromat]

in rome, do as romans......

Franch culture and burqa cannot work together

Does that mean if French come here we should force them to wear a burka and shalwar kameez ?

I have just turned your analogy on its head !

 

[JanjaWeed]

Does that mean if French come here we should force them to wear a burka and shalwar kameez ?

I have just turned your analogy on its head !

your analogy is a feeble one. try doing it.. they will either follow it, as most of the foreign women cover their head at times when they visit muslim countries without whining or they will avoid coming alltogether!! but they won't fight your law though! have you ever heard people complaining that they are not allowed to walk in public without covering their head in saudi? or not allowed kiss in public?? no.. 'cause u respect the law of that land!! if you don't want to.. then don't be in that country!! simple!!

 

[Tigershark]

Show me any post otherwise, which may depict that I have used an unparliamentary language?

OK, let me make it clear ashok. You expect people to follow your imaginary rules for debate without addressing the argument made by the other person. You have made no constructive comments in this discussion. Yet you accuse me of "changing tracks as per your convenience". Why don't you show how I am "changing tracks" by actually quoting what I wrote and showing how that breaks your imaginary rules for debate. I await your answer. But I don't expect anything intelligible.

Addendum: I'm also not surprised fallstuff finds your posts objectionable. You really need to work to make your objections understandable. I'm going to do your work for you: you seem to be saying that adding violation of religious freedom on top of the violation of human rights and the freedom of choice somehow is cheating and wrong. I disagree with you. I'm simply adding more arguments and more evidence to my central claim that banning the burqa is wrong. At least I make a case and back it up. All you do is troll around the forum claiming this is wrong and that is wrong and writing gibberish.

Here's a sample:

What among the above is violating Burqa law....

Freedom is NOT....because you gave up on this....

Religious freedom?

Is it religious?

Human rights (dress code) ?
On what grounds?

I think you are lost!

This is what you wrote and I still don't understand a word of it. Does anyone?

 

[EjazR]

your analogy is a feeble one. try doing it.. they will either follow it, as most of the foreign women cover their head at times when they visit muslim countries without whining or they will avoid coming alltogether!! but they won't fight your law though! have you ever heard people complaining that they are not allowed to walk in public without covering their head in saudi? or not allowed kiss in public?? no.. 'cause u respect the law of that land!! if you don't want to.. then don't be in that country!! simple!!

Actually there is no restriction for women to not cover their head in Saudi Arabia. I have seen many women who walk with their head uncovered. Modest clothes are required though. No skirts and the like for example.
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On topic, it is ironic that France felt it important to make a law for 500 or so of its citizens (that was the number of women estimated who wear a face veil). Even the police said that this law was illogical and that it would unnecessarily take away their time from more important law and order duties.

Ofcourse, what the anti-veil campagin does is allows politician to divert people's attention from the govt. gross economic mismanagement, corruption and the emplyment mess they have created towards a more emotional although empty issue, given 500 women are said to be wearing face veils.

And now there are reports of the govt. spending tax payer money on telling its citizens on how to become Burqa vigilantes. Still it is their right to form laws as it is their country.

With France's Anti-Burqa Law Set To Be Enforced In April, The French Government Launches Information Campaign Reminding Muslim Women Of The Ban--And Informing Non-Muslim Citizens How To Enforce It - Global Spin - TIME.com
It's not exactly “wear a burqa, go to jail”, but the French state has begun a sloganeering information campaign aimed at dissuading a crime that has fueled growing public concern. As part of that effort, the government is reminding Muslim women who wear the full-body veil that they'll soon be legally prohibited of being seen in public in that state--while also instructing citizens how to deal with an obscuring niqab or over-protective hijab when they come across one. And it's just what French society needed to transform its reputation as a scrum of stropy, selfish, mutually-recriminating individualists into one of a synchronized mass of do-gooding Gallants rushing to save burqa-wearing Goofuses among them from their errant ways. (The Highlights reference will no doubt date me, but a Eric Cartman/Kyle Broflovski contrast just doesn't work here.

Awaiting the April 11 application of the law voted in October prohibiting the burqa from being worn in public, the government today began distribution of 100,000 handbills, and 400,000 pamphlets reminding people of the interdiction against “covering up one's the face in the public space”. Leaving nothing to chance, a website will also begin operation March 4 with badgering reminders that “Hiding your face undermines the minimal demands of social life”, or the patriotism-rousing “The Republic lives with its face uncovered”. Not quite the “Yes, we can” or “I have a dream” capable of mobilizing millions, but quite possibly the kind of tag lines that buttinsky French secularist zealots feel will allow them to flash civic yellow cards at any Muslim women they deem guilty of excessive textile envelopment.

Scarf-enshrouded tourists vulnerable to facial chilliness and hardcore hoodie fans disinclined to leave the shadows of their sweatshirt-caves should not start scrambling to cancel that Paris leg in upcoming European trips, however. Though the law nominally prohibits anyone one obscuring their face (and thus identity) in any public street, garden, business, transport, or administration, it's clear who the 500,000 printed tutorials are really gunning for: the estimated 350 to 1,900 Muslim women thought to wear burqas in France. And because it remains statistically feasible (however unlikely) that one of the 64 million individuals living in France may actually happen across one of these rare clothing outlaws in a train station or movie line that the newly-circulated documents instruct people on how react when “confronted” in what the literature rather confusedly describes as “face-to-face situations with people whose faces are hidden”.

“Remind them of the applicable rules, and invite them to respect the law by uncovering themselves, or leaving the venue,” a flier recommends all would-be pedants. Should that prove futile, it continues, crusading citizens are instructed to call the police so they may then lay the minimum $207 fine on burqa reprobates—who may also be sentenced to attend “citizenship courses” where ideological instruction on proper attire are dispensed. All that's missing are re-education camps and blue plastic bags (though use of those latter items would probably also break the law about head-coverings).

A word of caution to future visitors considering playful vigilante mischief on the logic “when in France, be over-bearing like the French”, however. To avoid violating civil liberty statutes—or, ironically, the very 1905 law establishing secularity's separation of religion and state—legislators were forced to twist the law in ways that make it even more illogical in detail than general objective. For example, you can righteously bellow a legalistic cease-and-desist warning at women caught wearing a burqa in the street, but you must clam up if she happens to be there in a car (which is deemed a private space under the law. Someone should pass that detail on to Hugh Grant).

By contrast, feel free to barge into any mosque or prayer hall that have let niqab-toting women enter, since those venues are somehow deemed public domain under the law. Don't try to figure it out: it's about Islam in France. Making sense isn't even part of the equation.

 

[fallstuff]

Show me any post otherwise, which may depict that I have used an unparliamentary language?

I didn't understand what you were trying to mean, somehow appeared as incoherent. As I mentioned in an earlier post, obeying the law and disregarding are not the only options available. The other options are to involves your self in the process, support organizations such as ACLU fondly called "commies" by the right wing.

 

[fallstuff]

The burqa ban takes away the halloween fun. Well done Sarkozy !!

 

[Prometheus]

Does that mean if French come here we should force them to wear a burka and shalwar kameez ?

I have just turned your analogy on its head !

just a question ...............is it compulsory to wear salwar kammeez and burka in Pakistan.???
yo......I wonder what Pakistani PM and president are doing in Suits and boots

 

[The HBS Guy]

Does that mean if French come here we should force them to wear a burka and shalwar kameez ?

I have just turned your analogy on its head !

In your country, you are free to do whatever you want.

...in your country.

 

[VelocuR]

Pakistan should follow this immediately to ban burqa. It could be serious threat if a terrorist wear burqa.

 

[ashok321]

The other options are to involves your self in the process, support organizations such as ACLU fondly called "commies" by the right wing.

And do what?
Confront the same laws of the land anyway..
So it comes to the same shik, that you have to obey the laws and thats it.

 

[ashok321]

This is what you wrote and I still don't understand a word of it. Does anyone?

On freedom and religious basis you have no case....

You first of all, failed to tell me if it is a religious issue.....

 

[ashok321]

Does that mean if French come here we should force them to wear a burka and shalwar kameez ?

I have just turned your analogy on its head !

No you did not turn anything...
Because there is a LAW against the Burqa in France, whereas in Pakistan there is no such law to wear salwar kameez only...

 

[The HBS Guy]

Pakistan should follow this immediately to ban burqa. It could be serious threat if a terrorist wear burqa.

In fact if I remember correctly, a few months back a suicide bomber in Pakistan had worn a burqa to conceal his identity.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

In fact if I remember correctly, a few months back a suicide bomber in Pakistan had worn a burqa to conceal his identity.

A suicide jacket can also be hidden under a jacket or a shawl.