Non-Arab Muslim Nations Need to Unite

[Zarvan]

Dear Poster you keep on repeating Islam says this or that.

But you haven't answered a simple question.

Where does Islam teach you to be "dis-loyal" to your country of residence.
When does Islam tell you to disobey the local laws like stopping at the red light, or not committing crimes?

huh?

Any Hadees that tell you to blow up public places? Any ayat? Any Fiqah?

Just enlighten us please.

peace.

Mr if my country goes against Islam than I can't be loyal to it sir and secondly in Islam there can be only to areas on Muslim Land and other land under kafirs their is no chance that Muslims are divided among 57 countries sir

 

[VCheng]

Mr if my country goes against Islam than I can't be loyal to it sir and secondly in Islam there can be only to areas on Muslim Land and other land under kafirs their is no chance that Muslims are divided among 57 countries sir

So what about other Ahle Kitaab?

 

[FaujHistorian]

Mr if my country goes against Islam than I can't be loyal to it..

Who decides when your country has gone against "Islam". You or the dimwit bacha baaz Mullahs like ben fing ladeen (OBL)?

This is the type of Jihadi mentality that has utterly destroyed Pakistan from within, thanks to vermin Islamists.

Truly Sad.

peace be upon you (hopefully)

 

[shuakataftab]

@topic
Agreed

saudi's support USA because USA speaks against IRAN
USA is always using shia sunni rivalry to get what they want and these arabs are helping them

 

[Zarvan]

So what about other Ahle Kitaab?

ALLAH have also used the word kafirs for Ahle Kitab many times in the Quran

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Who decides when your country has gone against "Islam". You or the dimwit bacha baaz Mullahs like ben fing ladeen (OBL)?

This is the type of Jihadi mentality that has utterly destroyed Pakistan from within, thanks to vermin Islamists.

Truly Sad.

peace be upon you (hopefully)

Who every studies Islam it will be very much clear to him Sir

 

[punit]

^u r yet to decide which day to celebrate eid .

 

[Zarvan]

^u r yet to decide which day to celebrate eid .

That's not a big problem

 

[punit]

of course nöt. But how can u expect diff streams of islam to come in one voice on bigger mattters.

 

[Norboo]

I think it's high time Muslims started putting their loyalty on their homeland first, that is what Allah commands us to do. If our loyalty lies anywhere else, even with the fellow "Muslim brother", that person needs to be shipped off to the country where his "Muslim brother" lives. It's high time Muslims around the world started acting like responsible citizens. There will never be a worldwide Muslim Ummah.

But then when some Pakistani members were asked on another thread as to what their priority was they insisted that the defence of Islam came first and foremost and then only Pakistan!! In other words, given a choice they would prefer to fight to protect Islam anywhere in the world first, and then only for Pakistan as a nation!!

Well then, should we be surprised that with this radical mindset (that Islam comes first and then only Pakistan), that Pakistan is where it is now?

 

[Zarvan]

of course nöt. But how can u expect diff streams of islam to come in one voice on bigger mattters.

Sir even with this Islam is the fastest growing Religion in the world

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But then when some Pakistani members were asked on another thread as to what their priority was they insisted that the defence of Islam came first and foremost and then only Pakistan!! In other words, given a choice they would prefer to fight to protect Islam anywhere in the world first, and then only for Pakistan as a nation!!

Well then, should we be surprised that with this radical mindset (that Islam comes first and then only Pakistan), that Pakistan is where it is now?

Sir if we will stand and fight for Islam Pakistan will automatically be defended if we will not stand for Islam ALLAH forbid we will also loose Pakistan

 

[VCheng]

ALLAH have also used the word kafirs for Ahle Kitab many times in the Quran......................

Ahle Kitaab are not kaafirs. Please quote the relevant ayaat that you refer to.

 

[Zarvan]

Ahle Kitaab are not kaafirs. Please quote the relevant ayaat that you refer to.

Mr Ahle Kitab are Kafirs and more than once ALLAH refers them with the word Kafir Kafir in Islam means the one denies the truth of Islam

 

[laiqs@mi]

Generally the word kafir means 'unbeliever' and it is not meant as a derogatory label (unless it is used against Muslims by another Muslim). Of course, there are different levels of Kufur (disbelief) so although a person may be correctly identified as a kafir, that person is not kafir in the strongest sense of the word. Absolute kufur is the denial of God. Here are some examples of kufur:

1) A person is known as a Kafir if they are disbelievers in Allah, in His Oneness, and in His final Messenger, Muhammad (SAW). (E.g. An apostate from Islam)
(2) A 'Muslim' who disbelieves in a necessary tenant of Islam like the 5 pillars or some other things is known as a disbeliever.
(3) An originally non-Muslim person who denies the religion of Islam while knowing in his heart that it is true.
(4) A disbeliever in Islam only because they originally follow another (monotheistic) faith.
(5) A person who follows another (monotheistic) faith and knows nothing about Islam.
(6) A person who believes in many gods (polytheist).
(7) An agnostic who is a monotheist is a lesser kafir than a polytheist.
(8) An Atheist - ultimate kufur.


Generally a Christian or Jew is not identified as a kafir but they are known respectfully as Ahlul kitab - People of the Book(s), and Islam considers their religions valid but once they find Islam they are expected to follow the updated covenant sent by God.

وَإِذْ قُلْنَا لِلْمَلاَئِكَةِ اسْجُدُواْ لآدَمَ فَسَجَدُواْ إِلاَّ إِبْلِيسَ أَبَى وَاسْتَكْبَرَ وَكَانَ مِنَ الْكَافِرِينَ

 

[VCheng]

Generally the word kafir means 'unbeliever' and it is not meant as a derogatory label (unless it is used against Muslims by another Muslim). Of course, there are different levels of Kufur (disbelief) so although a person may be correctly identified as a kafir, that person is not kafir in the strongest sense of the word. Absolute kufur is the denial of God. Here are some examples of kufur:

1) A person is known as a Kafir if they are disbelievers in Allah, in His Oneness, and in His final Messenger, Muhammad (SAW). (E.g. An apostate from Islam)
(2) A 'Muslim' who disbelieves in a necessary tenant of Islam like the 5 pillars or some other things is known as a disbeliever.
(3) An originally non-Muslim person who denies the religion of Islam while knowing in his heart that it is true.
(4) A disbeliever in Islam only because they originally follow another (monotheistic) faith.
(5) A person who follows another (monotheistic) faith and knows nothing about Islam.
(6) A person who believes in many gods (polytheist).
(7) An agnostic who is a monotheist is a lesser kafir than a polytheist.
(8) An Atheist - ultimate kufur.


Generally a Christian or Jew is not identified as a kafir but they are known respectfully as Ahlul kitab - People of the Book(s), and Islam considers their religions valid but once they find Islam they are expected to follow the updated covenant sent by God.

وَإِذْ قُلْنَا لِلْمَلاَئِكَةِ اسْجُدُواْ لآدَمَ فَسَجَدُواْ إِلاَّ إِبْلِيسَ أَبَى وَاسْتَكْبَرَ وَكَانَ مِنَ الْكَافِرِينَ

Then why is marriage to an Ahle Kitaab woman permissible, even when she does not change her religion?

 

[Ahmad]

Mr Ahle Kitab are Kafirs and more than once ALLAH refers them with the word Kafir Kafir in Islam means the one denies the truth of Islam

I think they can be called Mushrik, not Kafir, but i might be wrong.