Non-Arab Muslim Nations Need to Unite

[Ahmad]

Mr rule of Islam is we have to follow only that government which follows Islam

then we should leave europe and america.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Mr HAZRAT UMAR once asked people if I don't follow Islam and implement it what will you do ? so one young man stood took out his sword and said we will do this HAZRAT UMAR after listening to this answer thanked to ALLAH and said if I go abstray my people will show me the right path
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That was bad and wild tribal time my dear poster. Don't you know that Hazarat Umar was murdered by another young man carrying a sword/dagger.

Same thing with Hazrat Usman. He was murdered by another group of young men carrying swords/daggers.

Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Aysha fought each other in a civil war.

All in the name of who is better Muslim and who should implement tribal sharia.

Do you want that type of tribal anarchy in Pakistan now?

Oh I got it.

You want Mullah Omer's rule in Pakistan too. That's what you all want as it would be closest to Islamistan. The rule of modern Khalifa.

Shabash.

Do you want Taliban beating and raping your family women. Ask Swatis first before going gaga over Mullahtic despotic rule.

peace.

 

[Zarvan]

That was bad and wild tribal time my dear poster. Don't you know that Hazarat Umar was murdered by another young man carrying a sword/dagger.

Same thing with Hazrat Usman. He was murdered by another group of young men carrying swords/daggers.

Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Aysha fought each other in a civil war.

All in the name of who is better Muslim and who should implement tribal sharia.

Do you want that type of tribal anarchy in Pakistan now?

Oh I got it.

You want Mullah Omer's rule in Pakistan too. That's what you all want as it would be closest to Islamistan. The rule of modern Khalifa.

Shabash.

Do you want Taliban beating and raping your family women. Ask Swatis first before going gaga over Mullahtic despotic rule.

peace.

Mr rules will be made according to Islam we give a damn what kufr thinks of us or not things which are allowed in Islam will be allowed things which are banned will be not allowed

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That was bad and wild tribal time my dear poster. Don't you know that Hazarat Umar was murdered by another young man carrying a sword/dagger.

Same thing with Hazrat Usman. He was murdered by another group of young men carrying swords/daggers.

Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Aysha fought each other in a civil war.

All in the name of who is better Muslim and who should implement tribal sharia.

Do you want that type of tribal anarchy in Pakistan now?

Oh I got it.

You want Mullah Omer's rule in Pakistan too. That's what you all want as it would be closest to Islamistan. The rule of modern Khalifa.

Shabash.

Do you want Taliban beating and raping your family women. Ask Swatis first before going gaga over Mullahtic despotic rule.

peace.

Mr they were best of the people before talking about them know their status

 

[FaujHistorian]

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Mr they were best of the people before talking about them know their status

They were people for sure. Some of them were good "personally" and some no so good "personally".

However we are not talking about individuals. We are talking about the system of government back then. And that system like other things in life back then are now ancient.

You cannot run a government from a mosque anymore.
You cannot allow people carry swords into the mosque or other government buildings (unless you are Sikh and you have written permission to carry Kirpan).

Noone these days gets up and legally allowed to kill their president just because one or the other law was not implemented.

In fact presidents do not make laws in a democracy. Parliaments do.

So you are mixing old stuff with individuals.

As I said before the story of Hazrat Umar that you told is probably wrong. No one should have been allowed to kill him just because the laws he implemented were not OK according to YOUr interpretation.

Quit dreaming of implement law of jungle. Will you.

Move to 21st century please.


peace.

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

FoujHisorian, as i said before u dont know what u r talking about

TARIQ

 

[FaujHistorian]

FoujHisorian, as i said before u dont know what u r talking about

TARIQ

My dear poster, enlighten us then.

No need to repeat "main na maanoon" without ever presenting a detailed counter argument.

Peace.

 

[Zarvan]

They were people for sure. Some of them were good "personally" and some no so good "personally".

However we are not talking about individuals. We are talking about the system of government back then. And that system like other things in life back then are now ancient.

You cannot run a government from a mosque anymore.
You cannot allow people carry swords into the mosque or other government buildings (unless you are Sikh and you have written permission to carry Kirpan).

Noone these days gets up and legally allowed to kill their president just because one or the other law was not implemented.

In fact presidents do not make laws in a democracy. Parliaments do.

So you are mixing old stuff with individuals.

As I said before the story of Hazrat Umar that you told is probably wrong. No one should have been allowed to kill him just because the laws he implemented were not OK according to YOUr interpretation.

Quit dreaming of implement law of jungle. Will you.

Move to 21st century please.


peace.

Mr Sahabs were the best after PROPHETS SAW so be careful before talking about them and in first speech of HAZRAT ABU BAKAR RA he said you are only compelled to follow when I order you in accordance with Shariah other wise don't follow me

 

[Kaniska]

@FaujHistorian ....both of you have 2 distinctively separate thoughts...So there is no point is arguing each other...I agree to your points but again...issue is that in pakistan religion is more important than the nationhood...so in this situation your argument will not hold true...My impression is that if there is a critical question is asked to people of Pakistan about their choice to choose religion and nationhood ...then 99% people choose religion as preference than nationhood itself...Hence it that context...If Zarvan is saying that Islam should be rule of law in governing the nationhood...Then his argument makes sense as every religion has both the aspects...Good aspects and Bad aspect too....As you have mentioned that Mullah Omar will rule Pakistan...but again...Iran is under influence of Religious sects ...So how come Iran is so successful....So i beleive that ultimately it depends to educated people to lead the nation in right way...It does not matter if the GOV is religious,secular or autocratic......

 

[FaujHistorian]

Mr Sahabs were the best after PROPHETS SAW so be careful before talking about them ....

Sahaba were the best among people of their time. Who could challenge that.

However you can only follow their characteristics like speaking truth, being honest, be just.

But you can't follow the things they did during their time for their daily living.

You can't travel like them. They used camels and donkeys.

You can't follow their trade system anymore. They used Ashrafis and not credit/debit cards, paper currency etc.,

You can't set up your government in a mosque like them. You now have parliament, judciary, and executive etc.

In summary, Sahaba lived like men of their time 1400 years ago but only justly.

These days we too have to live like men of our time, only with more justice, more truthfully, more tolerantly.


Sahaba at many times miserably failed to unite and fought bloody battles among each other. Many a times their life was very similar to the Afghan war lords.

So you can't go on saying they were the best in every which way. Because you will then be not too different from pagans who think their ancestors were gods and worship them like idols.

So please no idolatry. Sahabas were men and not gods. Thus they had flaws.

Thank you.

 

[FaujHistorian]

@FaujHistorian .......issue is that in pakistan religion is more important than the nationhood........
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Islamists are a violent minority in Pakistan. And one day hopefully they will be defeated just like us the peaceful majority has whooped Talib-lees @rse out of Swat.

Many Islamists who argue on this forum don't even live in Pakistan, so you can't force Islamism down our throats.

@FaujHistorian ....
.Iran is under influence of Religious sects ...So how come Iran is so successful.........

You haven't been to Iran for the last 10 years. Have you.


Do you know how my Riyals/Tummans you can get for a dollar?

Is it 10, 100, 1000, 10,000 ?????


Mullahs have destroyed Iran's economy with their $tupid rhetoric outside, while they have silenced any opposition with punishing dictatorship inside their country.

Read something about Iran from balanced sources that you will know.

How come you are spreading views of Mullahs even though you claim to be an Indian?


peace.

 

[SyrianChristianPatriot]

Islamists are a violent minority in Pakistan. And one day hopefully they will be defeated just like us the peaceful majority has whooped Talib-lees @rse out of Swat.

Many Islamists who argue on this forum don't even live in Pakistan, so you can't force Islamism down our throats.




You haven't been to Iran for the last 10 years. Have you.


Do you know how my Riyals/Tummans you can get for a dollar?

Is it 10, 100, 1000, 10,000 ?????


Mullahs have destroyed Iran's economy with their $tupid rhetoric outside, while they have silenced any opposition with punishing dictatorship inside their country.

Read something about Iran from balanced sources that you will know.

How come you are spreading views of Mullahs even though you claim to be an Indian?


peace.

Wrong Islamists are the Majority in Pakistan Denial is hard to overcome isn't it ? it's the Pakistani mentality,
Actually the Iranian Economy has grown alot, despite the sanctions it's at a pretty good rate.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Wrong Islamists are the Majority in Pakistan Denial is hard to overcome isn't it ? it's the Pakistani mentality, ....

Great.

Now even Syrian Christians know more about Pakistan than a hapless poor Pakistani living in his country. Great.

So Mr. SyrianChristianPatriot care to tell if our President is an Islamist? or our Prime Minister is Islamist?
Our Army chief Kiyani is Islamist?

How many judges started from Chaudhry are Islamist?

Please Mr. SyrianChristian, tell me tell me, tell me the truth?

Oh by the way when was the last time you visited Pakistan?

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Actually the Iranian Economy has grown alot, despite the sanctions it's at a pretty good rate.

Our company does textile (civilian cloth and nothing military) and I have first hand knowledge. How about you. When was the last time you visited the Ayatullah Land?

Ayatullahs have f'd up their country's economy like no other. Iran has to beg and import gasoline, They can't fix their refineries.

And yet you say their economy is improving? When did you dream about that?


peace. (peace in Syria and down with butcher Asad).

 

[SyrianChristianPatriot]

Great.

Now even Syrian Christians know more about Pakistan than a hapless poor Pakistani living in his country. Great.

So Mr. SyrianChristianPatriot care to tell if our President is an Islamist? or our Prime Minister is Islamist?
Our Army chief Kiyani is Islamist?

How many judges started from Chaudhry are Islamist?

Please Mr. SyrianChristian, tell me tell me, tell me the truth?

Oh by the way when was the last time you visited Pakistan?




Our company does textile (civilian cloth and nothing military) and I have first hand knowledge. How about you. When was the last time you visited the Ayatullah Land?

Ayatullahs have f'd up their country's economy like no other. Iran has to beg and import gasoline, They can't fix their refineries.

And yet you say their economy is improving? When did you dream about that?


peace. (peace in Syria and down with butcher Asad).

6 times, Only Good places Lahore and Karachi rest of the country is very poor, after all the Islamists kill Christians, Shia's and other minorities the military and the president cannot stop that, after shahbaz bhatti and salman taseer meh maybe in 10 years I will come back to pakistan.

Textiles don't seem to be helping your Failing Economy that well, Meh Iran has had a very good growth rate despite sanctions business is booming with Russia, China, the EU, yup they reached all their goals they set from 2001-2010, Been to Iran Great place, I'd rather be in the worst places in Iran then anywhere in Pakistan that's for sure.
Yeah peace to you to Unlikely with the Backing of Russia, China,India, Iran and Hezbollah it's only a wet dream to get rid of Dr. Assad.

 

[FaujHistorian]

.... after all the Islamists kill Christians, Shia's and other minorities the military and the president cannot stop that,......

So terrorists attack innocent Pakistanis and this somehow makes our "democratically elected" president an Islamist?

What kind of logic is that? perhaps a Syrian logic that holds Asad so dear and near.

Peace.

 

[SyrianChristianPatriot]

So terrorists attack innocent Pakistanis and this somehow makes our "democratically elected" president an Islamist?

What kind of logic is that? perhaps a Syrian logic that holds Asad so dear and near.

Peace.

Your President can't really do anything, LOL When were they ''Christians, Shia's, Sikhs'' Pakistani's? Radicals attacked Pakistani Christians who Celebrated Pak independence day in a crowd of people for not being muslim as well shia's and sikhs and hindus, LOL syrian Logic the Pakistani Logic is when a Pakistani Terrorist gets caught he's a RAW or working for India. This Logic is shared by majority of your country, if the Majority of Pakistani is not Radical then the war on terror must be fake lolz.