No J-10B for PAF | A.C Khalid, calls for a focus on 5th generation platform instead.

[MilSpec]

Of course I am. When you can't have a logical, sensible debate with the other party because someone is blind sided with Indian patriotism ....others will get frustrated as the purpose behind coming on here is not to hear superior Indian crap.

Its to engage each other in a sensible debate and learn from each other (result of such a debate may be that in a specific topic, the Indian item may be better than others). But you come to that conclusion with debate and facts, not because its an Indian thing so it must be superior.

Dude, stop whining all the time.

 

[MilSpec]

Stop this Indian propaganda stupidity all the time. Its silly as hell.....Indians built planes in the "vedic" age which would go across the planet??? The Indians had Telephone thousands of years ago??? They had Cars which would require one gas tank to go to the Moon in the "Vedic" age. The Doctors cured Cancer patients by spitting on people's faces in the "Vedic" age.......and it goes ON and ON with Brahmos II at the end!!! Great waste of thread space and usual trolling!

may be you forgot your prozac, all I said was it doesn't make sense to jeopardize a huge book order along with future projects with India to sell a few planes and helicopters to Pakistan. Now I did not realize that mentioning that will scar you for life, Thus please accept my apologies. Please Calm Down.

 

[Viper0011.]

may be you forgot your prozac, all I said was it doesn't make sense to jeopardize a huge book order along with future projects with India to sell a few planes and helicopters to Pakistan. Now I did not realize that mentioning that will scar you for life, Thus please accept my apologies. Please Calm Down.

I am calm. Just don't start discussions based on a wish list that has no legally executed contract behind it. I could've just as easily said " the Russians will be building space ships with Pakistan in 2030 worth 2 trillion and they'd ditch India for it". Well, I do sound like you here but is this a good argument or a discussion point or even TRUE? NO!! I am making crap up for others to be impressed and that's BS argument.

 

[MilSpec]

I am calm. Just don't start discussions based on a wish list that has no legally executed contract behind it. I could've just as easily said " the Russians will be building space ships with Pakistan in 2030 worth 2 trillion and they'd ditch India for it". Well, I do sound like you here but is this a good argument or a discussion point or even TRUE? NO!! I am making crap up for others to be impressed and that's BS argument.

Your lack of comprehension is not my problem, I mentioned 86 remaining MKI, which is remnant of confirmed book order of 272 A/c's, so is 488 Brahmos, and so are 38 More Mig29K's from the original order of 55 units. Rest are the deals under negotiation or in bidding. If you cannot decipher such simple sentences then you have other problems to worry about.
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and guess what, none of them were made up. But then again, your argument is age appropriate.

 

[araz]

Your lack of comprehension is not my problem, I mentioned 86 remaining MKI, which is remnant of confirmed book order of 272 A/c's, so is 488 Brahmos, and so are 38 More Mig29K's from the original order of 55 units. Rest are the deals under negotiation or in bidding. If you cannot decipher such simple sentences then you have other problems to worry about.
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and guess what, none of them were made up. But then again, your argument is age appropriate.

Sandy.
We accept established orders but orders on the process are not orders till the real is signed. This is an established rule.You count the chicken once they have hatched notthe eggs.
The fact of the matter is Indian policy makers delay deals for decades and Indian procurement plans are way behind. The Rafale deal is not going well and I gather there is no allocation at least in this budget for procurement of the planes. So we have to see how this deal goes but it does not look good at the moment. For WHAT it is worth I dont see PAF procuring much from the Russians either due to resource constraints. The next procurement is likely to be the J31 and perhaps a few more old F16s.
Araz

 

[zeeshanvita]

I have a strong gut feeling that in this trip of Raheel Shareef visit to china J10 deal will be finalized as well as Z10..

 

[MilSpec]

Sandy.
We accept established orders but orders on the process are not orders till the real is signed. This is an established rule.You count the chicken once they have hatched notthe eggs.
The fact of the matter is Indian policy makers delay deals for decades and Indian procurement plans are way behind. The Rafale deal is not going well and I gather there is no allocation at least in this budget for procurement of the planes. So we have to see how this deal goes but it does not look good at the moment. For WHAT it is worth I dont see PAF procuring much from the Russians either due to resource constraints. The next procurement is likely to be the J31 and perhaps a few more old F16s.
Araz

And the above makes perfect sense. I too see Chinese armament being the main stay for Pakistan and a very potent counter balance for India.

 

[N/A]

I have a strong gut feeling that in this trip of Raheel Shareef visit to china J10 deal will be finalized as well as Z10..

THAT WOULD BE A REAL BIG BOOST TO THE DEFENSE OF PAKISTAN, BUT WHY DO YOU THINK THE DEALS FOR THE J-10 AND Z-10 WILL BE SIGNED

 

[Viper0011.]

Your lack of comprehension is not my problem, I mentioned 86 remaining MKI, which is remnant of confirmed book order of 272 A/c's, so is 488 Brahmos, and so are 38 More Mig29K's from the original order of 55 units. Rest are the deals under negotiation or in bidding. If you cannot decipher such simple sentences then you have other problems to worry about.
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and guess what, none of them were made up. But then again, your argument is age appropriate.

Look dude, you are posting things here that require common sense. You told me in a different post that you have an engineering background. I think you should post with some sensible logic. Future forecast can't play a role in today's situation. I think India would give billions of worth of business to the Russians. But something needs to be finalized first and a legal contract has to be executed. Do you count your bank balance by including next 2 years expected salaries in it? What if something happens and you leave work.....? Your entire forecast is screwed. Similarly, future wish list or things in discussion aren't factual. They will be, once a contract is signed. That's all I am saying.

I think Pakistan will buy stuff from the Russians but it'll be some SAMS and helicopters. If I was responsible for procurement, I'd procure SAMS (the long range ones) and a few heli's, which are desperately needed for the war on terrorism. That's it. Why go to Russia when the Chinese have started to produce almost the same if not better products? Their helicopters are designed on Western tech (baseline is the Eurocopter) and the new Z series designs are much more Western than the traditional Russian designs, half-manual / half automatic MI heli's. Plus whatever is needed from the Russians, Pakistan can get (and have been getting) through the Chinese. I think that's very credible.

Here's what the Chinese are up against, they are up against the best of the best weapons systems that exist from the US, Israel, and the West. And these systems will soon be assembled in India. Which will ONLY enhance India's weapons quality. So what choice do the Chinese have? To go nuts with research and all and produce weapons that actually can counter the Western / Indian systems than just crap produced in numbers (historically). So they have and will be pouring hundreds of billions in R&D, which is a burden on them as they can't sell so much to the outside world to circulate the cash. Guess what? It DIRECTLY benefits Pakistan. In fact, Pakistan is probably the biggest benefactor of Chinese weapons modernization.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

What would the Air cheif feel now that Obama is visiting India

Those 36 J10B look wonderful now don't they

 

[N/A]

What would the Air cheif feel now that Obama is visiting India

Those 36 J10B look wonderful now don't they

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT PAKISTAN WILL GET THOSE 36 J-10B'S NOW. I MEAN IT WOULD BE A GREAT BOOST TO THE PAF.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Oh yes we will get those F16 , and lets ignore the 36 J10B birds

 

[Folkindia]

36 J-10b fighters won't cut it, if the Rafale deal is officially contracted. Pakistan would require around 60 J-10b's to balance the offset, but that's just my two cents worth. (Yes the financial constraints, will likely not allow that amount to be procured).

What would the Air cheif feel now that Obama is visiting India

Those 36 J10B look wonderful now don't they

 

[N/A]

36 J-10b fighters won't cut it, if the Rafale deal is officially contracted. Pakistan would require around 60 J-10b's to balance the offset, but that's just my two cents worth. (Yes the financial constraints, will likely not allow that amount to be procured).

THE PAF HAS ALWAYS BEEN TRAINED TO FIGHT OUTNUMBERED SINCE 65

 

[Viper0011.]

36 J-10b fighters won't cut it, if the Rafale deal is officially contracted. Pakistan would require around 60 J-10b's to balance the offset, but that's just my two cents worth. (Yes the financial constraints, will likely not allow that amount to be procured).

My two cents:
1) Buy more used MLU'd F-16's with upgraded radars for air defense / interception needs
2) JFT block II and stealthy JFT block III work needs to go into supersonic mode. Expedite it. You'd still have time as Rafale's won't start coming in tomorrow "war ready"
3) Get J-31 and try to come up with a JV on its tech towards the JFT block III so you can produce a stealthy variant yourself (or majority of it)
4) If J-31 take time, get 60-100 J-11's or J-16's (land version) or even lease them till J-31 becomes operational

The above should fill the gap very well. By 2018 having 200 JFT block II standards, 100 JFT block III with stealth optimized, with 100 F-16's block 40+ (used ANG, USAF ones with upgraded radars), 60-100 J-16s and about 100 J-31's means around 550-600 jets with current standards. PLENTY to defend any airspace.