No, Islam Isn’t Inherently Violent, And The Math Proves It!

[gslv]

Actually the prophet PBUH had challenged -through Koran, the word of God- any one to come up with a Surat or Aya that resembles Koran. And he was amongst the best Arabic manipulating gents that ever existed... and guess what, they couldn't, albeit many attempts.

Koran said to follow the path of science, it was not a library. But you can find hints on any scientific subject that crosses (or not) one's mind.

And how are you going to do that? through surgery or medication? Islam's message has proven to be a milliont

Can you write an equivalent to Bible, tarah., vedas without copying it. Can you? Let me give you an example of another literal wonder although not known to many. It's written in English. Please give a try to write a poem in English like this one.
https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=387oVImCD4GVuASR5ILABA&url=http://www.sriaurobindoashram.org/ashram/sriauro/downloadpdf.php?id=43&ved=0CB4QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHj2gBIRoKuhD-AlaKtIr2Yaoqfiw&sig2=npwPTkfur8YcFWjmJtAAxA
Btw It's written by Shri Aurobindo whom I regard as the one of the most intelligent person in the last century. So please give it a try.

Btw given a chance an good neurosurgeon can kill all your emotions.

 

[The SC]

Can you write an equivalent to Bible, tarah., vedas without copying it. Can you? Let me give you an example of another literal wonder although not known to many. It's written in English. Please give a try to write a poem in English like this one.
https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=387oVImCD4GVuASR5ILABA&url=http://www.sriaurobindoashram.org/ashram/sriauro/downloadpdf.php?id=43&ved=0CB4QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHj2gBIRoKuhD-AlaKtIr2Yaoqfiw&sig2=npwPTkfur8YcFWjmJtAAxA
Btw It's written by Shri Aurobindo whom I regard as the one of the most intelligent person in the last century. So please give it a try.

Btw given a chance an good neurosurgeon can kill all your emotions.

You can find the essence of the message of the Bible and the Torah in the Koran and even wholy books and prophets before them are mentionned.

We are not talking about a poem. We are talking about an age old (since Abraham, who is considered to be the first Muslim) divine message of peace and harmony.

 

[gslv]

You can find the essence of the message of the Bible and the Torah in the Koran and even wholy books and prophets before them are mentionned.

We are not talking about a poem. We are talking about an age old (since Abraham, who is considered to be the first Muslim) divine message of peace and harmony.

That's your take that your religion is best and contains major theme of torah and Bible . You think ahmediya books are sacrilege, Christians also think same about your book. So you cannot claim superiority based on what you believe is best not verified. So best option is as I said before that to each his own.

And about considering Abraham as Muslim only Muslim think that, Jews believe that he was a Jew. There is no verifiable evidence for Abraham being a Muslim except in quran it's written so.

 

[Dubious]

was there no arabic before him or he invented arabic, were there no poetry before him or he invented poetry . he might be a savant who learnt by surrounding.

Ok so there is a larger chance he learnt by observation than being a prophet....ok lets go with that he could, but how much? Each savant example you gave excelled in 1 field which did the prophet excel in?

can you give me quotes on hydrological cycle . btw at what age infant is a leech . thats pseudoscience , classic propaganda by the ilks of Zakir naik. dont quote those lines that as a fetus grows in human body its a leech, how does it simulate a leech , in that concept my hand is also a leech on my heart .

I am not sure how did you peruse in science without questioning and remaining rational? Right now you are just simply being cynical but I will go with it. The

and why all religions try to validate itself via the same scientific methods that reject god?

They dont need to validate themselves.... People VALIDATE THEM based on their knowledge and since the world is living on science they use science.
God created earth, nature and hence mentioning about them 1400 yrs ago without the sophisticated instrument
Quran is not a book of SCIENCE its a book of signs (as dr.Zakir has been saying), it doesnt teach you to become a marine biologist nor a doctro.... It gives you the SIGNS of GOD...

BTW, Science hasnt rejected god....it hasnt been able to prove it...But it has gone this far to say that not everything is a coincidence...You dont explode a bomb in a junkyard and get a car likewise the earth moving perfectly in balance is no accident. Science shows you that...It is denial attitude that makes you not see it!

why no religious text give formula of an antibiotic if it can explain pregnancy. plz quote me at what time of pregnancy cardiac output is highest acc to religious texts and its significance. Thanks.

Why do you want life so easy? What will people do then? I never said it can explain pregnancy! I said it has some quotes which doesnt explain its time period!

actually i can , i can simply cuuting out your limbic system i can desensitize you of all emotions , everything comes down to a few neurons forming synapse and secreting a neurotransmitter which can be manipulated by medicine which is not wriiten in any religious books. so given a chance i can alter your thought process and believes.

Yet no scientist on the planet is as obnoxious as you to claim such! They know the limits of their knowledge of science! Esp regarding the brain! Because if they could they would have cured a few brain problems by now!

I aint here to discuss something you dont believe in and refuse to do so!

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Can you write an equivalent to Bible, tarah., vedas without copying it. Can you? Let me give you an example of another literal wonder although not known to many. It's written in English. Please give a try to write a poem in English like this one.
https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=387oVImCD4GVuASR5ILABA&url=http://www.sriaurobindoashram.org/ashram/sriauro/downloadpdf.php?id=43&ved=0CB4QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHj2gBIRoKuhD-AlaKtIr2Yaoqfiw&sig2=npwPTkfur8YcFWjmJtAAxA
Btw It's written by Shri Aurobindo whom I regard as the one of the most intelligent person in the last century. So please give it a try.

Btw given a chance an good neurosurgeon can kill all your emotions.

That is the english adaptation of Markandeya Purana and teaching of the upanishad. It is the english translation of the vendanta. Its a beautiful brilliant work, but its not exactly original.

 

[Dubious]

That is not a problem, bro, I never said I know it all nor that I am Arab thus I am superior. Muslims had learned men from almost every part of the world, and I do appreciate,respect and pray for all of them.

good to know!

We were speaking about the meaning of an Arabic word, please keep it there and do not drag it to faith.
Arabic is so rich a language that words can have different meanings in different contexts or by grammar.

No doubt

Kafir doesn't have that, it is a very narrowly specific word, best translated to disbeliever (sometimes also incredulous which can have a double sense one positive and another negative).

@TankMan showed you the meaning FROM THE QURAN...Are you saying Quran is wrong?

What you have been saying Brother is that one has to believe first and reject it before he can be called a disbeliever. while What I have been saying is that one can see the truth and still deny it and reject it without ever believing in it, Or worst yet because his mind is somehow clogged and blinded to the truth -by other beliefs- or practices or even personal interests like The rich and powerful tribe of koraich who had too many earthly riches to loose. so this is a kafir and does not really see the truth or just a part of it.

I would be happier if you can proof this from the Quran. Both the Ayat in its Arabic form as well as the translation...

I seriously believe people have mistranslated the word loosely!

In any case, some one who sees the truth and understands it to be as such and still rejects it is the worst kafir.
Islam is but a guide to the right path, hence to the truth. And this truth does inherently incorporate peace and harmony in it, Peace with the creator, peace with oneself and peace with others.

There are tons of people who never get to hear the Quranic ayats calling them Kafir because they dont know....

Please do find the ayat I will be grateful would help clarify if I am wrong!

 

[gslv]

I am not sure how did you peruse in science without questioning and remaining rational? Right now you are just simply being cynical but I will go with it. The

You can always give me examof which says as fetus mimicking a leech. Please give a proof of that.

Science hasnt rejected god....it hasnt been able to prove it...

Neither can you disprove flying spaghetti monster. Can you?

Why do you want life so easy? What will people do then? I never said it can explain pregnancy! I said it has some quotes which doesnt explain its time period!

I asked it bcoz you said it somehow explains whatever going on. Can you give me surah and ayat of water cycle.

I am not sure how did you peruse in science without questioning and remaining rational? Right now you are just simply being cynical but I will go with it. The

I am being rational, give me proof and I will embrace the truth, what you say truth others tell that a lie, and vice versa. On the qn of being cynical, no I am not being cynical, I am just not able to accept which is unverifiable. I am a student of science and will always remain one.

 

[Dubious]

Can you write an equivalent to Bible, tarah., vedas without copying it. Can you? Let me give you an example of another literal wonder although not known to many. It's written in English. Please give a try to write a poem in English like this one.
https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=387oVImCD4GVuASR5ILABA&url=http://www.sriaurobindoashram.org/ashram/sriauro/downloadpdf.php?id=43&ved=0CB4QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHj2gBIRoKuhD-AlaKtIr2Yaoqfiw&sig2=npwPTkfur8YcFWjmJtAAxA
Btw It's written by Shri Aurobindo whom I regard as the one of the most intelligent person in the last century. So please give it a try.

Btw given a chance an good neurosurgeon can kill all your emotions.

We are not talking about a verse for the sake of it...It should have a flow, proper grammar, stand for whole of eternity and it shouldnt conflict with the previous verses and positioning it in the Quran, it also should not imbalance the maths in the Quran where each word has a counter balance for....Something that perfect, knitted together without being written (meaning you cant what you have written, cant count the no. of words, cant phantom how they fit in context and with flow and yet everything should fall in place)

 

[gslv]

That is the english adaptation of Markandeya Purana and teaching of the upanishad. It is the english translation of the vendanta. Its a beautiful brilliant work, but its not exactly original.

Still can anyone write something exactly like that without copying . that was the debate not originality.

We are not talking about a verse for the sake of it...It should have a flow, proper grammar, stand for whole of eternity and it shouldnt conflict with the previous verses and positioning it in the Quran, it also should not imbalance the maths in the Quran where each word has a counter balance for....Something that perfect, knitted together without being written (meaning you cant what you have written, cant count the no. of words, cant phantom how they fit in context and with flow and yet everything should fall in place)

Pls read the link that I posted, the language in Sri aurobindo's poem is subtle yet satisfies all the criteria that you have set. . And about flow of poem and other things, there are also great poems in other religions which satisfy the same rules that you posted., it's only in other languages. There are many poems which are non-religious which are great.

 

[Dubious]

You can always give me examof which says as fetus mimicking a leech. Please give a proof of that.

We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqahinto a mudghah (chewed substance)...

(Quran, 23:12-14)

Literally, the Arabic word alaqah has three meanings: (1) leech, (2) suspended thing, and (3) blood clot.
Here is for the complete info: Islam Guide: The Quran on Human Embryonic Development

Neither can you disprove flying spaghetti monster. Can you?

Can you not? Can spaghetti fly? Are there monsters which look like spaghetti? Make sense!

I asked it bcoz you said it somehow explains whatever going on. Can you give me surah and ayat of water cycle.

You can browse this: A Brief Illustrated Guide To Understanding Islam: Contents (Wide Frame)

I am being rational, give me proof and I will embrace the truth, what you say truth others tell that a lie, and vice versa. On the qn of being cynical, no I am not being cynical, I am just not able to accept which is unverifiable. I am a student of science and will always remain one.

I dont want you to embrace anything coz I said so...

Life is not that easy! You work for it search it and then only will you get the satisfaction! When did you try to verify anything that you declare it unverifiable?

 

[The SC]

good to know!

No doubt

@TankMan showed you the meaning FROM THE QURAN...Are you saying Quran is wrong?

I would be happier if you can proof this from the Quran. Both the Ayat in its Arabic form as well as the translation...

I seriously believe people have mistranslated the word loosely!


There are tons of people who never get to hear the Quranic ayats calling them Kafir because they dont know....

Please do find the ayat I will be grateful would help clarify if I am wrong!

Koran or Qur'an is not wrong, and can't be (do you think you understand the real meaning of every word in the Koran , while the best of the best of our scholars have argued about many words and their interpretations), I am expanding on the translation by vulgarizing the meaning of the adjective Kafir.

There are too many Ayats that talk about kafirs in too many different contexts., but the meaning is always a disbeliever or a non -believer.

You never call someone who has never been exposed to Koran's Ayats a Kafir. Only after he is, and still disbelieves them.

 

[Dubious]

Pls read the link that I posted, the language in Sri aurobindo's poem is subtle yet satisfies all the criteria that you have set. . And about flow of poem and other things, there are also great poems in other religions which satisfy the same rules that you posted., it's only in other languages. There are many poems which are non-religious which are great. There is also

You think? That poem was no different from other poems I have read ...My only guess can be you have never read nor heard the Quran being read hence the confusion ....

It is only how a man sees the world, nothing extraordinary there! And that poem didnt satisfy the mathematics part....nor context! It is just a man's flow of words...and can easily stand out as a man's word!

 

[gslv]

Can you not? Can spaghetti fly? Are there monsters which look like spaghetti? Make sense!

How can you know spaghetti cannot fly, may be there is a special one. And about him he is invisible, but he created the world that why we all crave food. Making any sense? The religions also makes same kind of sense to me.

We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqahinto a mudghah (chewed substance)...

(Quran, 23:12-14)

Sahih International
Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah , the best of creators.
Same book leech is nowhere mentioned, here is the link
Surat Al-Mu'minun [23:12-14] - The Noble Qur'an - القرآن الكريم

 

[Dubious]

Koran or Qur'an is not wrong, and can't be (do you think you understand the real meaning of every word in the Koran , while the best of the best of our scholars have argued about many words and their interpretations)

No brother I never claimed that....

I am expanding on the translation by vulgarizing the meaning of the adjective Kafir.

Like you talk of scholars I read them up so I would suggest you present me something to read...

here are too many Ayats that talk about kafirs in too many different contexts., but the meaning is always a disbeliever or a non -believer.

And why I am asking you to present such an ayat so we can have a look at its context....

You never call someone who has never been exposed to Koran's Ayats a Kafir. Only after he is and still disbelieves them.

Please present an ayat!

 

[gslv]

It is just a man's flow of words...and can easily stand out as a man's word!

Non Muslims also think quran.com in the same way, word of a man nothing more so get off the high horse.
Btw of links on science in religious books I can also post gazillion links on the science in other religious books.