No, Islam Isn’t Inherently Violent, And The Math Proves It!

[The SC]

Names? Was this before battle of Badar?

Of course.
Muslims started fighting only after the prophet (PBUH) received a Surat allowing them to fight.

 

[I.R.A]

Of course.
Muslims started fighting only after the prophet (PBUH) received a Surat allowing them to fight.

Dear my question was what are the names of early Shabah who were killed? and did that killing occur before battle of Badar?

I don't know how should I relate your answer to my question?

 

[gambit]

@gambit

Is stupidity is your new claim of fame---what does qura'an have to do with the killings of afghans by the americans during their occupation.

It is the grasping at straws that is the common theme here.

You guys want to talk about the math of killing Muslims ? Then how about the math of Western technologies that saved the Muslims ? Or how about the fact that after WW II, the current ME is drawn the way it is, allowing the Muslims to have their own countries rich with oil ? How many were saved then ?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Whatever " MATH " we do ; the clash of civilisations is a reality and a fact

 

[AUz]

It is the grasping at straws that is the common theme here.

It is YOU who is grasping at the straws these days, it seems.

Your level of intelligence has gone down surprisingly.

You guys want to talk about the math of killing Muslims ? Then how about the math of Western technologies that saved the Muslims ?

See what I meant when I commented about the surprising drop in your intelligence?

These kind of ridiculous arguments are for a third grader.

If we really want to talk about "maths" then do the math of how Europeans learned useable numbers from Muslims and how it gave Europe the very basis of its technology (not to mention Algebra, modern optics, gunpowder, and preservation and reintroduction of ancient Greek texts that literally civilized Europe of dark ages.)

Or how about the fact that after WW II, the current ME is drawn the way it is,

The way Middle-East was divided is itself one of the major root cause of all the death and destruction in the region--not to mention the United States' and West's intervention, and propping up of ruthless dictators across the region.

allowing the Muslims to have their own countries rich with oil ? How many were saved then ?

Thanks for "allowing" muslims to have their own countries in their own lands.

Show how patronizing you are towards Muslims.

 

[TankMan]

You say that the verse refers to a wide range of disbelievers, so why are you starting by the Koran will disagree with me.

Because the Quran says that rejecting the truth while 'they recognized it' is kufr, while you were apparently saying that all rejection is kufr.

I don't disagree with you on the polytheists in any way. But that is not my argument. My argument is that many of the polytheists, especially the leaders, recognized the truth but were too arrogant to admit they were wrong - which is exactly what you mean by 'stubbornness' and 'ego'.

Their Kufr was based on stubbornness

That is what made them elligible for punishment. Otherwise, it is clear that most of the others were pardoned. Perhaps it was because they (the others) were simply ignorant and were then given a chance. Again, not our problem - God's judgement.

You are saying the same thing I am with a little differences in semantics (language) and I will not argue over those semantics.

So, at the end, I am glad we came to an agreement. Allah knows best.

 

[gambit]

It is YOU who is grasping at the straws these days, it seems.

That is hilarious.

A religion is as its believers -- TODAY -- lives. Not who did what a thousand or even a hundred yrs ago. You really think that when someone on the other side of the world watched a bunch of Muslims burned alive a caged man is going to think about the horrible Crusaders a few hundred yrs ago ?

As for what the Muslims may have invented a few hundred yrs ago -- NO ONE TODAY CARES. And apparently, plenty of the Muslims also do not care. I see some of them here.

US propping up dictators ? Then do not produce any.

 

[Supply&Demand]

May be Islam isnt violent but muslims surely are: look at this video:

 

[AUz]

A religion is as its believers -- TODAY -- lives.

Nopes.

A religion is a mixture of its classical texts and interpretation, its evolution over its existence, its practice over the years, and its practice in the current time.

Criminals exist in all religions at all the time.

You really think that when someone on the other side of the world watched a bunch of Muslims burned alive a caged man is going to think about the horrible Crusaders a few hundred yrs ago ?

Your bigotry is dripping here.

Bunch of Muslims?

Bunch of criminals burned a Muslim alive..and Muslims throughout the world were outraged about this. A Muslim nation started a war with those bunch of criminals because of their heinous actions. But in a bigot's mind..none of that gets registered. The only thing that gets registered is "Muslims" burned a man.

As for what the Muslims may have invented a few hundred yrs ago -- NO ONE TODAY CARES. And apparently, plenty of the Muslims also do not care. I see some of them here.

I know. Nobody should care. But when an idiot brings up a childish comment about "Math of Muslims saved by "Western" technologies" ...then it is appropriate to turn to that idiot and show him that the very modern math of West is based on what Muslims gave it...so bragging about western tech saving Muslim lives is as useless as bragging about what Muslims did few centuries ago.

As you said: NO ONE CARES.

 

[Turkish_FR]

May be Islam isnt violent but muslims surely are

You are a bit confused, then who we call as "Muslims" ?

 

[Supply&Demand]

You are a bit confused, then who we call as "Muslims" ?

i am not confused..what i meant was Islam may be not violent in text but the actions of its followers define how the religion is seen by most non-muslims..So mathematical or statistical analysis aside(& this article's validity aside), Islam is seen as intolerant and in serious need of renaissance by many people even those who cannot be considered as Islam-phobic..

 

[Turkish_FR]

i am not confused..what i meant was Islam may be not violent in text but the actions of its followers define how the religion is seen by most non-muslims..So mathematical or statistical analysis aside(& this article's validity aside), Islam is seen as intolerant and in serious need of renaissance by many people even those who cannot be considered as Islam-phobic..

You are confused enough to not understand how confused you are. Looks like to say "Democracy" defends fairness but "democrats" are not fair people.

 

[waz]

Very similar thread to something we had a few weeks back.

 

[Supply&Demand]

You are confused enough to not understand how confused you are. Looks like to say "Democracy" defends fairness but "democrats" are not fair people.

actually u seem to get hurt...

anyways u r example is not wrong..Democracy is a system..how effective and fair the system is only dependent on the people in it..

 

[Turkish_FR]

actually u seem to get hurt...

anyways u r example is not wrong..Democracy is a system..how effective and fair the system is only dependent on the people in it..

Get hurt for what ? I just bring out the illogicality in your claim.