What's new

No Deal: Intel Can’t Sell Chips to China Over US Nuclear Fears

senheiser

SENIOR MEMBER
Joined
Jun 26, 2012
Messages
4,037
Reaction score
-1
Country
Russian Federation
Location
Germany
  • 1020737983.jpg

No Deal: Intel Can’t Sell Chips to China Over US Nuclear Fears

00:01 11.04.2015(updated 04:59 11.04.2015)

The US has banned Intel from selling China chips it requires to update its Tianhe-2 supercomputer - the world's largest - over concerns that it will be used for "nuclear explosive activities."

The Tianhe-2 can perform a quadrillion mathematical calculations per second and though most of the technology is domestically developed, it uses tens of thousands of Intel's Xeon and Xeon Phi processors.

Intel has been selling the chips to China for years but in August the US Department of Commerce told Intel they would need to apply for and be granted an export license to continue shipping chips.




"Intel complied with the notification and applied for the licence, which was denied. We are in compliance with the US law," the chip maker said in a statement to the IDG new service.

In February the US placed 4 institutions with supercomputers on a list blocking them from receiving certain US exports. Those included China’s National University of Defense Technology, as well as the National Supercomputing Center of Guangzhou, home of the Tianhe-2 and the Tianhe-1a.

The notice from the Commerce Department announcing the denial of the export permit said the institutions in question were “acting contrary to the national security or foreign policy interests of the United States.”

The US export regulations cited apply to technologies that could be used for the "design, development, or fabrication of nuclear weapons." It's not clear if the US government has definite proof that these computers are being used for nuclear weapons research but the regulations require that officials have "more than positive knowledge" that the processors would be used — either directly or indirectly — in the development of nuclear weapons programs.




The ban could be yet another push for China to develop its own tech industry. Both US and Chinese regulations that stem from suspicions of spying have led China to rely more on its domestic industry. Strict Chinese banking regulations with requirements for information sharing that made US tech companies balk already pushed more of the financial tech market back into Chinese hands.

US has also had concerns about possible connections between Chinese technology firms and government spying. The US would not allow Huawei Technologies, the largest networking and telecommunications firm in the world, to operate in the US due to concerns over Chinese government spying. And in fact, the leaked NSA documents revealed that the US made efforts to create backdoors into Huawei’s systems itself.


Meanwhile, Intel can console itself with its recently awarded contract to supply chips for the US challenge to the Tianhe-2, being developed by the US Department of Energy at the Argonne National Laboratory. The Tianhe-2 boasts a computational capacity of 33.85 petaflops, but Argonne's Aurora supercomputer is slated to have a 180 petaflop capacity.




Read more: No Deal: Intel Can’t Sell Chips to China Over US Nuclear Fears / Sputnik International
 
.
Posted before and US can't do anything about to stop China advancement just as our bank server and government server continue to run without Cisco involvement. The ban will only hurt US pocket in the long run.
 
.
maybe it can use those Russia Cpus you kept bragging about :D you know the one that can play Doom 3 :partay:

the ban is probably only the high end Intel chips if there is even a ban.


sputniknews is sure becomming a popular source on here....behind Press-TV,informationclearinghouse, and teleSUR :cheesy:
 
.
maybe it can use those Russia Cpus you kept bragging about :D you know the one that can play Doom 3 :partay:

the ban is probably only the high end Intel chips if there is even a ban.


sputniknews is sure becomming a popular source on here....behind Press-TV,informationclearinghouse, and teleSUR :cheesy:

Thank you US for making loongson a major chip player in China, CCP will invest billions to make Loongson world class. :D

Loongson: China’s answer to Intel/AMD :: The Market Oracle :: Financial Markets Analysis & Forecasting Free Website
 
.
Posted before and US can't do anything about to stop China advancement just as our bank server and government server continue to run without Cisco involvement. The ban will only hurt US pocket in the long run.


of course the title and wording in the sputniknews article is overblown

Intel Can't Sell Chips to China Because the US Fears Nukes

In the latest passive-aggressive exchange between the US and its rival superpower, the Department of Commerce has denied Intel a license to export tens of thousands of Xeon Phi chips to China to upgrade the country’s Tianhe-2 supercomputer. Because, you know, nukes.


you would think by the title this means no intel cpus can be sold to china be it for a supercomputer or a desktop computer.


it's a ban on Intel Xeon Phi chips which costs thousands of a dollar each.

Xeon Phi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Xeon_Phi_Family.jpg



but I honestly don't get the point in doing this now. the U.S has been doing nuclear weapons simulations since the 90s and even the weakest supercomputer today would be 1000 times more powerful than a mid to late 90's supercomputer.

Thank you US for making loongson a major chip player in China, CCP will invest billions to make Loongson world class. :D

Loongson: China’s answer to Intel/AMD :: The Market Oracle :: Financial Markets Analysis & Forecasting Free Website
loongson can't compete with Intel or Nvidia :D

well let's see China's next big Supercomputer built with 100% Chinese designed cpus and whatnot. I doubt that'll happen though.
 
.
of course the title and wording in the sputniknews article is overblown

Intel Can't Sell Chips to China Because the US Fears Nukes

In the latest passive-aggressive exchange between the US and its rival superpower, the Department of Commerce has denied Intel a license to export tens of thousands of Xeon Phi chips to China to upgrade the country’s Tianhe-2 supercomputer. Because, you know, nukes.


you would think by the title this means no intel cpus can be sold to china be it for a supercomputer or a desktop computer.


it's a ban on Intel Xeon Phi chips which costs thousands of a dollar each.

Xeon Phi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Xeon_Phi_Family.jpg



but I honestly don't get the point in doing this now. the U.S has been doing nuclear weapons simulations since the 90s and even the weakest supercomputer today would be 1000 times more powerful than a mid to late 90's supercomputer.


loongson can't compete with Intel or Nvidia :D

well let's see China's next big Supercomputer built with 100% Chinese designed cpus and whatnot. I doubt that'll happen though.

Loongson is a private venture but since they politicize chips sector. The CCP state will enter and help loongson. Just like our server case with Cisco. Huawei are taking over everything left by Cisco in China and everything goes fine.

Yes, loongson now still cannot match Intel but that does not mean it can't in few years or 1-2 year time

With state support, anything is possible :D
 
.
Loongson is a private venture but since they politicize chips sector. The CCP state will enter and help loongson. Just like our server case with Cisco. Huawei are taking over everything left by Cisco in China and everything goes fine.

Yes, loongson now still cannot match Intel but that does not mean it can't in few years or 1-2 year time

With state support, anything is possible :D


in a few years match Intel :flame:
 
. .
What's the hurry? You can't wait for Intel to loose more business in China, is it? :lol:

It's few years and not decades. Heard of the AMD venture?

China is the one started the crap with Intel if I believe. my anti-monopoly bull crap.

now tell me how China is suppose to build a 100+ peta supercomputer without Intel Phi co-processors??

Future Intel Chips Shine in 180 Petaflops Argonne Supercomputer


180+ peta Aurora supercomputer in 2018

is Tianhe-3 going to run on loongson or AMD crap?
 
.
China is the one started the crap with Intel if I believe. my anti-monopoly bull crap.

now tell me how China is suppose to be a 100+peta supercomputer with Intel Phi co-processors??

Future Intel Chips Shine in 180 Petaflops Argonne Supercomputer


180+ peta Aurora supercomputer in 2018

is tiahene-3 going to run on loongson or AMD crap?
2018 , still a longtime to go. Don't be too happy over the egg that has not hatched. Now we are still number one. :D

I am sure with stated support. Anything is possible for China to make it by 2018.

Any it all started with your protection in name of security over huawei first. Stop putting the blame on us.
 
.
2018 , still a longtime to go. Don't be too happy over the egg that has not hatched. Now we are still number one. :D

I am sure with stated support. Anything is possible for China to make it by 2018.

Any it all started with your protection in name of security over huawei first. Stop putting the blame on us.


number one is pointless it's the amount of $$ you want to throw in a supercomputer to be number 1. The Chinese built supercomputer runs on U.S processors and gpus :D


indeed 2018 is a long time, but again what will Tianhe-3 run on if not Intel or even Nvidia :D

can China even fab 10nm?? I don't think so.
 
. .
number one is pointless it's the amount of $$ you want to throw in a supercomputer to be number 1. The Chinese built supercomputer runs on U.S processors and gpus :D


indeed 2018 is a long time, but again what will Tianhe-3 run on if not Intel or even Nvidia :D

can China even fab 10nm?? I don't think so.
If supercomputer is a matter of number of chips then India shall have make a top 10 supercomputer by just buying more chips from US and bundle them together and you can be number one? :D

It's the design and technology that bind all the chips together as one created by Chinese scientist that makes tianhe supercomputer works. You give too much credit to chips. If chinese scientist is good they can bind more inferior chips but still produced a faster supercomputer. And in reality, Chinese scientist is really good. If not our tianhe-1A will not be number one, right? :D
 
.
Throwing money is quite effective way if you want to improve your capacity in certain industries..
China use Intel CPU because it is mature design and shorter lead time for building a super computer..
If Intel is not allowed to sell CPU, then we have to develop new CPUs.
China mainland can fab 28 nm chips.
If you include Taiwan which is part of China yet not united, the fab capacity is 16 nm..
Yes some problems and maybe not so good as Intel..
But should be sufficient for our purpose..

number one is pointless it's the amount of $$ you want to throw in a supercomputer to be number 1. The Chinese built supercomputer runs on U.S processors and gpus :D
indeed 2018 is a long time, but again what will Tianhe-3 run on if not Intel or even Nvidia :D
can China even fab 10nm?? I don't think so.
 
.
India only has to contract Cray or IBM and say I want this amount of power and they would be told how much it costs.

it's obvious not a priority or they would.

Chinese scientist good, lol?? really.
Can't get and claim it sour? Typical American. When you have claim the number one spot for supercomputer then you come back and talk abt it ok? :lol:
 
.

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom