No Deal: Intel Can’t Sell Chips to China Over US Nuclear Fears

[Jlaw]

Intel can now try to flog these chips to India。

But their profit margin will decrease. India is a poor country and cannot afford to pay the price like China.

 

[Keel]

Semiconductor Process Geometries:

• 10 µm — 1971
• 3 µm — 1975
• 1.5 µm — 1982
• 1 µm — 1985
• 800 nm (0.80 µm) — 1989
• 600 nm (0.60 µm) — 1994
• 350 nm (0.35 µm) — 1995
• 250 nm (0.25 µm) — 1998
• 180 nm (0.18 µm) — 1999
• 130 nm (0.13 µm) — 2000
• 90 nm — 2002
• 65 nm — 2006
• 45 nm — 2008
• 32 nm — 2010 - SMIC reached this level in 2008

SMIC Shanghai gets 32nm technology

• • 28 nm — 2011 (TSMC) - SMIC reached this level in late 2014

SMIC successfully produced 28-nanometer processor Qualcomm Snapdragon 410 - Finance News

• • 22 nm — approx. 2012
  • 20 nm — approx. 2012 (TSMC) - SMIC started doing research in 2014

SMIC and Other Groups Collaborate to Setup the 'IC Advanced Technology Research Institute'... -- BEIJING, May 16, 2014 /PRNewswire/ --

• 10 nm — approx. 2016

TSMC is the leader and they have produced 20 nm in 2012
We have started our foray into 20 nm while the leading pac like TSMC and Samsung are doing theirs into 10 nm
TSMC: We will close the gap with Intel at 10nm! | KitGuru
DailyTech - TSMC: We're "Far Superior" to Intel and Samsung as a Partner Fab

So China - how far behind are we?

We are seeing increase of investment ￥into research that we never have had before
SMIC and Other Groups Collaborate to Setup the 'IC Advanced Technology Research Institute'... -- BEIJING, May 16, 2014 /PRNewswire/ --

I think we can close the gap to within 1 gen the most in the next 5 years

People from backward countries which habitually brag about everything can get easily envious of our achievements. Just forget the trolls please

And to show this old chart when we came 5th

Let's see how far we can go in the next chart

Ancient Chinese Art of Knot tying

 

[Bratva]

Thank you, USA, The more constraints on China, the stronger China industry will be, hehe.

why is that country becomes stronger after such restrictions but not before ?

 

[Beast]

why is that country becomes stronger after such restrictions but not before ?

Becos people always look for easy way out. Like india having the ease of buying ready weapon overseas and a low local weapon production.

 

[sweetgrape]

why is that country becomes stronger after such restrictions but not before ?

Because, this time, you have no choice, but do it by youself.

 

[Keel]

why is that country becomes stronger after such restrictions but not before ?

China has good track records of rising from ashes

Ancient Chinese Art of tying knots

 

[syedali73]

why is that country becomes stronger after such restrictions but not before ?

Restrictions work as catalyst that simply speed up the process.

 

[TaiShang]

That's good. Mr. Obama should handle this at least better than the Guantanamo issue.

Wish him success.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Thank you US for making loongson a major chip player in China, CCP will invest billions to make Loongson world class.

That's not really true lol. iF YOUR LOONGSON CHIPS were at par with Intel/IBM etc then i dont think your government will be using Intel and other U.S Chips even for its critical projects.lol I dont think they are up to par yet. And dont say its because they want to act as free market, thats just an excuse, since they have bared foreign companies from operating in fields they know they are up to par like in card processing where unionpay is the sole provider and has a monopoly, which allowed it to grow to its current size of being the second-largest payment network by value of transactions processed after Visa. So no Loongson still has a long way to go before it can even dislodge U.S chip makers in Chinas high end sector much less dominate the China market.

 

[Beidou2020]

China currently has 3 CPUs.

Feiteng, Shenwei and Loongson.

Sunway Light Blue supercomputer by China was developed with Shenwei CPUs and it came in at number 14 in the 2011 Top500 fastest supercomputer list.

Sunway Blue Light - Sunway BlueLight MPP, ShenWei processor SW1600 975.00 MHz, Infiniband QDR | TOP500 Supercomputer Sites

Now it has dropped down the list to number 65.

But it shows China's CPUs are maturing and China can make very fast supercomputers with its own domestic CPUs.

Give it a few more years and China will make CPUs to power its supercomputers that will top the Top500 list.

China now exports many high-end technologies such as high-speed rail, nuclear reactors, telecommunication equipment, advanced satellites, machinery, etc.

If there is one country in the world that can break the U.S. monopoly in chip and software......its China!

Mark my words!

 

[Keel]

More on China's homegrown Supercomputer

Sunway BlueLight MPP supercomputer (last ranked #65 on Top500 Nov. 2014) courtesy of @Beidou2020 above

DailyTech - China's New Supercomputer Rejects Intel, AMD CPUs For Homegrown Designs
Jason Mick - November 1, 2011 3:00 PM



China's home made CPU "飞腾 FT-1500A" is the answer to USA's ban on exporting Intel "Xeon" to China at the moment:

打破美国对华禁运，中企推出取代英特尔“至强”新型芯片 发表时间：2015-04-14 09:18:40 来源：观察者网|责任编辑:堵开源

近日，美国商务部出台新规，对中国四家超算中心禁运英特尔“至强”服务器芯片，这被认为是对中国“天河2号”超级计算机的“精确狙击”，有报道指出，这一禁运实际上从去年就已经开始实行。3月26日，中国电子信息产业集团公司在京召开的一场发布会上推出了新的“飞腾”FT-1500A系列CPU处理器，据该公司总经理介绍，这种芯片可以实现对英特尔中高端“至强”服务器芯片的替代。看起来，美国对华禁运超算芯片决定的实际作用恰恰是为国产芯片市场拓展扫清障碍。

试图“狙击”中国“天河2”的美国商务部禁令搬起石头砸了谁的脚？

3月26日，中国电子信息产业集团有限公司（以下简称“中国电子”）在京召开“CPU与网络交换芯片新品发布暨成果推广会”，网络交换芯片“智桥”SDN智能高密度万兆交换芯片和“飞腾”FT-1500A系列CPU处理器联袂发布。

科技部、国资委、工业和信息化部、国家保密局等主管机关单位领导，天津市、杭州市等地方政府机关单位领导以及国家集成电路基金公司、华芯投资、中国电信、联想集团、浪潮集团等行业领域、产业界代表嘉宾共百余人出席了发布活动。

中国电子总经理刘烈宏在致辞中指出，近年来，中国电子采取联合创新、协同创新、军民融合创新的发展策略，聚焦通用CPU和网络交换芯片作为重点突破口，取得了一系列可喜的成果。中国电子旗下天津飞腾信息技术有限公司（以下简称“天津飞腾”）的FT-1500A系列CPU处理器和盛科网络（苏州）有限公司（以下简称“盛科网络”）的“智桥”SDN智能高密度万兆交换芯片CTC8096便是非常具有代表性的新产品。

中国电子集团产品发布会现场

据盛科网络总经理、“千人计划”专家孙剑勇介绍，此次推出的“智桥”芯片是其自主研发的第四代交换芯片，目标是快速响应云计算、大数据、网络功能虚拟化的市场趋势，芯片具有性能优、功能强、功耗低和高可靠、高性价比等特点。该芯片由9.4亿个晶体管构成，具有1.2T的交换容量；配图了96个10G端口，24个40G端口，4个100G端口，支持L2/L3/MPLS/OpenFlow和数据中心功能等特性集合。

中电集团的飞腾FT-1000芯片已经运用在“天河1号”超级计算机上
FT 1000 chips have been installed on "Tianhe 1" supercomputer

据天津飞腾总经理谷虹介绍，FT-1500A系列处理器是64位通用CPU，兼容ARM V8指令集，采用国际先进的28nm工艺流片，具有高性能、低功耗等特点，关键技术国内领先，可实现对 Intel中高端“至强”服务器芯片的替代，并广泛应用于政府办公和金融、税务等各行业信息化系统之中。FT-1500A系列目前包括4核和16核两款产品。其中4核处理器芯片主要面向桌面终端和轻量级服务器应用领域，主频2GHz,功耗15W，两个DDR3-1600存储通道，支持电源关断、DVFS等低功耗技术，适用于构建台式终端、一体机、便携笔记本、微服务器等产品；16核处理器芯片面向服务器应用领域，主频2GHz，功耗35W，4个DDR3-1600存储通道，支持虚拟化功能，适用于构建网络前端接入服务器、事务处理服务器、邮件服务器、数据库服务器、存储服务器等产品。

（观察者网据《中国电子报》报道）

来源：观察者网|责任编辑:堵开源

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[AndrewJin]

Becos people always look for easy way out. Like india having the ease of buying ready weapon overseas and a low local weapon production.

Exactly, they have nothing but sell their tiny market to blood-sucking international giants.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

That's not really true lol. iF YOUR LOONGSON CHIPS were at par with Intel/IBM etc then i dont think your government will be using Intel and other U.S Chips even for its critical projects.lol I dont think they are up to par yet. And dont say its because they want to act as free market, thats just an excuse, since they have bared foreign companies from operating in fields they know they are up to par like in card processing where unionpay is the sole provider and has a monopoly, which allowed it to grow to its current size of being the second-largest payment network by value of transactions processed after Visa. So no Loongson still has a long way to go before it can even dislodge U.S chip makers in Chinas high end sector much less dominate the China market.

Intel chips are the standard. Xeon chips are generic chipsets for supercomputing. The key in supercomputers is not the actual processor itself, but the network architecture such that you can organize even the worst CPUs into a coherent network that doesn't interfere with itself and where signal propagation is optimized. I don't know much about supercomputing but if you read supercomputing articles (real research articles, not pop sci or news) you hear about network topology, never about actual CPU specs. That is because the actual CPU specs are more or less irrelevant.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Intel chips are the standard. Xeon chips are generic chipsets for supercomputing. The key in supercomputers is not the actual processor itself, but the network architecture such that you can organize even the worst CPUs into a coherent network that doesn't interfere with itself and where signal propagation is optimized. I don't know much about supercomputing but if you read supercomputing articles (real research articles, not pop sci or news) you hear about network topology, never about actual CPU specs. That is because the actual CPU specs are more or less irrelevant.

Thanks

Semiconductor Process Geometries:

• 10 µm — 1971
• 3 µm — 1975
• 1.5 µm — 1982
• 1 µm — 1985
• 800 nm (0.80 µm) — 1989
• 600 nm (0.60 µm) — 1994
• 350 nm (0.35 µm) — 1995
• 250 nm (0.25 µm) — 1998
• 180 nm (0.18 µm) — 1999
• 130 nm (0.13 µm) — 2000
• 90 nm — 2002
• 65 nm — 2006
• 45 nm — 2008
• 32 nm — 2010 - SMIC reached this level in 2008

SMIC Shanghai gets 32nm technology

• • 28 nm — 2011 (TSMC) - SMIC reached this level in late 2014

SMIC successfully produced 28-nanometer processor Qualcomm Snapdragon 410 - Finance News

• • 22 nm — approx. 2012
  • 20 nm — approx. 2012 (TSMC) - SMIC started doing research in 2014

SMIC and Other Groups Collaborate to Setup the 'IC Advanced Technology Research Institute'... -- BEIJING, May 16, 2014 /PRNewswire/ --

• 10 nm — approx. 2016

TSMC is the leader and they have produced 20 nm in 2012
We have started our foray into 20 nm while the leading pac like TSMC and Samsung are doing theirs into 10 nm
TSMC: We will close the gap with Intel at 10nm! | KitGuru
DailyTech - TSMC: We're "Far Superior" to Intel and Samsung as a Partner Fab

So China - how far behind are we?

We are seeing increase of investment ￥into research that we never have had before
SMIC and Other Groups Collaborate to Setup the 'IC Advanced Technology Research Institute'... -- BEIJING, May 16, 2014 /PRNewswire/ --

I think we can close the gap to within 1 gen the most in the next 5 years

People from backward countries which habitually brag about everything can get easily envious of our achievements. Just forget the trolls please

And to show this old chart when we came 5th

Let's see how far we can go in the next chart

Ancient Chinese Art of Knot tying

That's a lot of info there, thanks bro!
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