Navy mulling proposal to allow women on warships

[Indo-guy]

Navy mulling proposal to allow women on warships - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: Women officers may soon be aboard the Indian Navy's warships as it is working out a policy in this regard, a senior officer said on Tuesday.
Commodore BK Munjal, who is in charge of the navy's women contingent at Republic Day parade, said a proposal for allowing women on warships is being worked upon and a decision would come soon.
"The higher authorities in the navy are working on the proposal. We are looking forward to it and hopefully it should be sorted out soon," Commodore Munjal told reporters.
"The living conditions in ships are entirely different. We are now modifying ships and designing them as per the conditions required for women officers," the officer said.
Women were inducted in the Military Nursing Service in 1927 and in the medical officers cadre in 1943.
They were enabled to join the armed forces in 1992 on short service commissions.
In 2008, the government decided to grant permanent commission to short service commission women officers in those arms of the three services that do not entail direct combat or the possibility of physical contact with the enemy.
The Indian Air Force currently has the highest number of women officers at 1,350, followed by the army with 1,300 and navy with 350.

 

[Indo-guy]

Navy mulling proposal to allow women on warships - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: Women officers may soon be aboard the Indian Navy's warships as it is working out a policy in this regard, a senior officer said on Tuesday.
Commodore BK Munjal, who is in charge of the navy's women contingent at Republic Day parade, said a proposal for allowing women on warships is being worked upon and a decision would come soon.
"The higher authorities in the navy are working on the proposal. We are looking forward to it and hopefully it should be sorted out soon," Commodore Munjal told reporters.
"The living conditions in ships are entirely different. We are now modifying ships and designing them as per the conditions required for women officers," the officer said.
Women were inducted in the Military Nursing Service in 1927 and in the medical officers cadre in 1943.
They were enabled to join the armed forces in 1992 on short service commissions.
In 2008, the government decided to grant permanent commission to short service commission women officers in those arms of the three services that do not entail direct combat or the possibility of physical contact with the enemy.
The Indian Air Force currently has the highest number of women officers at 1,350, followed by the army with 1,300 and navy with 350.

@levina @Abingdonboy

 

[Levina]

Good news!!
Now I'm sure @Abingdonboy might object to modifying ships according to women's needs. Lol
Frankly women can always take up the position of naval aviators, EOD technicians etc. And afaik women would make 20% of enlisted crew on US attack submarines so why is that not possible in India??

 

[acetophenol]

Good news!!
Now I'm sure @Abingdonboy might object to modifying ships according to women's needs. Lol
Frankly women can always take up the position of naval aviators, EOD technicians etc. And afaik women would make 20% of enlisted crew on US attack submarines so why is that not possible in India??

If women really want to serve in submarines or ships, why should there be special modifications for them?

 

[Levina]

If women really want to serve in submarines or ships, why should there be special modifications for them?

Hurts your male ego isnt it? lol
True, if a woman wants to serve in submarines and ships then why should there be modifications??
My common sense says for privacy reasons. That should suffice.

 

[acetophenol]

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Modern IN frigates like Shivalik class are fitted with much better interiors (supplied by Godrej I guess)

^^Officer's Cabin

^^From Shivalik

 

[Supply&Demand]

Hurts your male ego isnt it? lol
True, if a woman wants to serve in submarines and ships then why should there be modifications??
My common sense says for privacy reasons. That should suffice.

i heard that new ships r being configured for both male nd female sailors...for eg: shivalik...any 1 confirm?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Frankly women can always take up the position of naval aviators, EOD technicians etc.

EOD is a combat arm so I don't think women would be best placed for this role and as for naval aviators, as rotary wing and MPA pilots I have no objection as for fast jets I don't think the costs are justified. The average cost to train an IN fighter jock must be in excess of $1 million USD, the IN makes a massive investment in them and expect them to serve their entire career with the IN. The risk with female pilots is that they will have to take maternity leave and then it could take years for them to return to full flight status.

And afaik women would make 20% of enlisted crew on US attack submarines so why is that not possible in India

Only very recently has the USN's submarine arm opened up to females and it has been a mixed story really. For a long time the USN made the point it wasn't feasible to have females and males on subs because the space constraints were so great that there wasn't the capacity to have separate living and bathing quarters (as would be required for females), only recently with the mammoth USN subs has this been changed to a degree. The IN's subs are still modest in size and thus I am sure they'd have the same issues with having females onboard.

Now I'm sure @Abingdonboy might object to modifying ships according to women's needs

It's a good move IMHO, if the requirement to house both sexes is built into the design of the ships from day one there should be minimal issues in terms of cost and such.

If women really want to serve in submarines or ships, why should there be special modifications for them?

For this reason:

US Navy nudity scandal: Women officers secretly filmed in shower - Telegraph


It is their basic human right bro, they deserve privacy just like men do.

 

[acetophenol]

Hurts your male ego isnt it? lol
True, if a woman wants to serve in submarines and ships then why should there be modifications??
My common sense says for privacy reasons. That should suffice.

I'll be happy is more women choose to be in our armed forces, I'm a stern supporter of female empowerment.

But to modify existing platforms,that too ones of national importance, just because women can serve in them makes no sense to me. Men can go on with the available amount of "privacy", women should too.Thats where she should prove her guts. If these said modifications does not compromise the operational deployements or readiness, then I am kinda ok with it. But else, its a no-no.

 

[Abingdonboy]

But to modify existing platforms,that too ones of national importance, just because women can serve in them makes no sense to me. Men can go on with the available amount of "privacy", women should too.Thats where she should prove her guts. If these said modifications does not compromise the operational deployements or readiness, then I am kinda ok with it. But else, its a no-no.

I agree with the fact that this move should not effect the operational needs of the IN in any way shape or form BUT to expect women to serve on ships with zero consideration for them being made is out of line IMHO and not the practice followed by any navy that has females on their combat ships.

These officers can rightly expect suitable, separate, sanitation areas and for this modifications would need to be made.

 

[Armstrong]

@SarthakGanguly @acetophenol - So should I assume that our Bhabi would be from the Forces ?

 

[Indo-guy]

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Only very recently has the USN's submarine arm opened up to females and it has been a mixed story really. For a long time the USN made the point it wasn't feasible to have females and males on subs because the space constraints were so great that there wasn't the capacity to have separate living and bathing quarters (as would be required for females), only recently with the mammoth USN subs has this been changed to a degree. The IN's subs are still modest in size and thus I am sure they'd have the same issues with having females onboard..

 

[Levina]

EOD is a combat arm so I don't think women would be best placed for this role and as for naval aviators, as rotary wing and MPA pilots I have no objection as for fast jets I don't think the costs are justified. The average cost to train an IN fighter jock must be in excess of $1 million USD, the IN makes a massive investment in them and expect them to serve their entire career with the IN. The risk with female pilots is that they will have to take maternity leave and then it could take years for them to return to full flight status.

Why not EOD technicians?
What 're the tasks to be performed by EOD technicians??
They 're supposed to be locating, identifying, rendering safe and disposing of various forms of explosive devices – conventional, nuclear, chemical and biological. Isnt it???
So why do you think women can't do it?

And about maternity leaves, then just 3 months of leave is enough after that they can join active duty.

Only very recently has the USN's submarine arm opened up to females and it has been a mixed story really. For a long time the USN made the point it wasn't feasible to have females and males on subs because the space constraints were so great that there wasn't the capacity to have separate living and bathing quarters (as would be required for females), only recently with the mammoth USN subs has this been changed to a degree. The IN's subs are still modest in size and thus I am sure they'd have the same issues with having females onboard.

I've heard the stories.

It's a good move IMHO, if the requirement to house both sexes is built into the design of the ships from day one there should be minimal issues in terms of cost and such.
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I agree!!

 

[Abingdonboy]

@levina, far from 20% of the USN sub fleet.

 

[acetophenol]

For this reason:

US Navy nudity scandal: Women officers secretly filmed in shower - Telegraph


It is their basic human right bro, they deserve privacy just like men do.

Had it been a civillian ship or a bus or a hotel, I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you bro. But we are talking about a military vessel. In our Kilo class subs, men don't even take a shower. If women are ready to serve in a submarine or a combat ship , she is ready or has to be ready to face and over come the privacy issues too. We should see them and treat them the same way we do to our guys in the ship. They will take care of their privacy the same way men do with theirs. Besides, if an enemy catches them, we can't expect them to extend human rights to these women, right?

My point is, if a women shows the same level of mental and physical standards as guy, she should be given the chance to serve in a ship or sub, like the guy. No special considerations, she is as capable as the guy in dealing with the issues.