Navy mulling proposal to allow women on warships

[Indo-guy]

@SarthakGanguly @acetophenol - So should I assume that our Bhabi would be from the Forces ?

why @Abingdonboy is not being included ?

 

[Armstrong]

why @Abingdonboy is not being included ?

@Abingdonboy boy is married to his local football club !

 

[BDforever]

Navy mulling proposal to allow women on warships - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: Women officers may soon be aboard the Indian Navy's warships as it is working out a policy in this regard, a senior officer said on Tuesday.
Commodore BK Munjal, who is in charge of the navy's women contingent at Republic Day parade, said a proposal for allowing women on warships is being worked upon and a decision would come soon.
"The higher authorities in the navy are working on the proposal. We are looking forward to it and hopefully it should be sorted out soon," Commodore Munjal told reporters.
"The living conditions in ships are entirely different. We are now modifying ships and designing them as per the conditions required for women officers," the officer said.
Women were inducted in the Military Nursing Service in 1927 and in the medical officers cadre in 1943.
They were enabled to join the armed forces in 1992 on short service commissions.
In 2008, the government decided to grant permanent commission to short service commission women officers in those arms of the three services that do not entail direct combat or the possibility of physical contact with the enemy.
The Indian Air Force currently has the highest number of women officers at 1,350, followed by the army with 1,300 and navy with 350.

so you don't have female sailor yet ?

 

[SQ8]

so you don't have female sailor yet ?

The social considerations will be tremendous. Think of the distraction to sailors, as South Asian society still considers women largely inferior and objects of sex.

 

[Indo-guy]

 

[acetophenol]

I agree with the fact that this move should not effect the operational needs of the IN in any way shape or form BUT to expect women to serve on ships with zero consideration for them being made is out of line IMHO and not the practice followed by any navy that has females on their combat ships.

These officers can rightly expect suitable, separate, sanitation areas and for this modifications would need to be made.

Our modern ships are being made with these things in mind I guess. But separate sanitation facilities would be troublesome in a space restricted area like a ship or a sub. Can't they just share?

 

[Levina]

@levina, far from 20% of the USN sub fleet.

Lol
I said they would make 20% of enlisted crew though I think I should have been more specific in my previous post and should 've mentioned the year 2020.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Why not EOD technicians?
What 're the tasks to be performed by EOD technicians??
They 're supposed to be locating, identifying, rendering safe and disposing of various forms of explosive devices – conventional, nuclear, chemical and biological. Isnt it???
So why do you think women can't do it?

EOD techs in the IN are all qualified combat divers which itself is an arduous course in terms of physical requirements so much like my objection to females in the infantry and SF I don't think many women would make the cut for EOD.

And about maternity leaves, then just 3 months of leave is enough after that they can join active duty.

It would be longer than 3 months @levina, do you think a woman will by flying in fast jets when she is pregnant? I've heard from some RAF pilots that as soon as a female pilot informs her superiors she is pregnant her flight status is removed and then after she has given birth it can take up to a year for her to regain her flight status, if this is repeated multiple times for multiple children it soon makes the entire investment made by the Navy/Airforce in training up the fighter pilot a waste.

 

[Indo-guy]

so you don't have female sailor yet ?

Way back in 2009 !!!

Kochi (Kerala), Nov.20 :
The Indian Navy created history on Friday by inducting two women aviators or combatants into its combat arm, which is happening for the first time in the Indian Armed Forces.
Sub-lieutenants Ambica Hooda of Haryana and Seema Rani Sharma of Uttar Pradesh will now serve the nation as naval observers are airborne tacticians on the Indian Navys multi-role Dornier aircraft, which are used for transportation and aerial surveillance and work at the front line during war situations.
Today, they were awarded wings by Indian Navy in a ceremonial passing out parade at the Naval base in Kochi.
Both are part of the four member officers of the First short service commission observer course out of the total ten officers passing out of 70th Ab-initio Observer Course in Kochi base.
This would be a special occasion as this is the first time that the Navy is inducting ladies into a combat arm. Observers are airborne tacticians who conduct operations, in a military aircraft.
According to Indian Navy Captain Vijesh Kumar Garg, the Commanding Officer of the INS Garuda, it was a proud moment for the Indian navy and specially for the two women who were inducted today as combatants.
The officers qualified for this onerous responsibility after intensive ground and flight training at the Observers School and said that they felt proud on taking the charge.
The Passing Out Parade and award was presented by Rear Admiral Sudhir Pillai, Flag Officer Commanding, Naval Aviation.
Hooda and Sharma, both 22-years old, completed a 16 month course at the Naval Academy at Mandovi in Goa and in other professional schools of the Indian Navy before landing up at the Observer School at INS Garuda in Kochi.

 

[BDforever]

The social considerations will be tremendous. Think of the distraction to sailors, as South Asian society still considers women largely inferior and objects of sex.

we have many female sailors

 

[Abingdonboy]

Our modern ships are being made with these things in mind I guess. But separate sanitation facilities would be troublesome in a space restricted area like a ship or a sub. Can't they just share?

Well you saw on that USN sub the females had their own "head" (toilet) so one can expect the same for females in the IN. I'm sure there are legitimate reasons for this and I wouldn't really expect them to share for a number of reasons.

In our Kilo class subs, men don't even take a shower. If women are ready to serve in a submarine

No way is the IN opening up the submarine arm to women, not for a few decades. The subs are simply too small for that.

@Abingdonboy boy is married to his local football club !

Lol, I don't follow at all but can I just point I have no interest in football...

 

[Levina]

EOD techs in the IN are all qualified combat divers which itself is an arduous course in terms of physical requirements so much like my objection to females in the infantry and SF I don't think many women would make the cut for EOD.

It would be longer than 3 months @levina, do you think a woman will by flying in fast jets when she is pregnant? I've heard from some RAF pilots that as soon as a female pilot informs her superiors she is pregnant her flight status is removed and then after she has given birth it can take up to a year for her to regain her flight status, if this is repeated multiple times for multiple children it soon makes the entire investment made by the Navy/Airforce in training up the fighter pilot a waste.

High impact positions 're in great demand, women 're being considered for the posts of navy divers, aviation rescue swimmers, builders and as I mentioned earlier, for EODs and naval aviators too.
If they 're physically fit and if they 're capable enough of taking up the job then they should be given these posts.

And trust me I've seen women do a lot of physical work right to the day of their delivery date. Infact when I had gone for my driving test, I saw a 9 month pregnant African giving her test. She drove well and passed it too. I agree being a pilot takes a lot more than that.
But I never supported a pregnant woman in a fighter plane. In my first post here I had very clearly mentioned that they (females) should be given a place in attack submarines. I'm sure you've misconstrued one of my posts.

 

[Indo-guy]

No way is the IN opening up the submarine arm to women, not for a few decades. The subs are simply too small for that.


Lol, I don't follow at all but can I just point I have no interest in football...

You never know ...sometimes things like that can be done for just political reasons .

Remember GI Jane ...?

how politicians collude to craft certain things like that for pretentious Women empowerment.

sometimes things like that can be done deliberately by politicians to brandish their achievements

 

[Abingdonboy]

But I never supported a pregnant woman in a fighter plane.

You had said naval aviators @levina but then I guess you were referring to all helos and MPAs not fighter pilots so feir enough. i agree with you on that.

I had very clearly mentioned that they (females) should be given a place in attack submarines

Just because the USN is doing so doesn't mean all others have to follow. The USN have HUGE SSNs, the SSKs (even the SSN of the IN) are neither designed from the outset to have females on board nor are they suited for it.

In a few decades when the IN is operating much larger subs then sure, there is no reason not to allow females on board then. But right now the subs the IN are operating are not suited for it.

High impact positions 're in great demand, women 're being considered for the posts of navy divers, aviation rescue swimmers, builders and as I mentioned earlier, for EODs and naval aviators too.

Are you sure about that? I'm not convinced the IN is looking to induct females into these roles. These roles are just below SF in terms of fitness required and most men can't meet the standard. I'm not saying no women can but it would be very few.

For non-combat posts and serving on frontline warships women should be welcomed however.

And trust me I've seen women do a lot of physical work right to the day of their delivery date

I'm sure you have but this isn't the point @levina, it is not up to the woman when she jumps back in the cockpit she needs to be cleared by flight surgeons and not to mention if she is out of flight status for long enough she would need to re-qualify on a number of criteria. From what I've heard the amount of "down time" for a female pilot pilot who has a child is around 1 year.

You never know ...sometimes things like that can be done for just political reasons .

Remember GI Jane ...?

how politicians collude to craft certain things like that for pretentious Women empowerment.

sometimes things like that can be done deliberately by politicians to brandish their achievements

Well this would be wrong as such political moves would affect the IN's operational capabilities and actually unfair on the female officers because they would face the brunt of the IN's resentment

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Comparing US to India is not right.Our society is very different to a western society.

Combat situations involve hard tasks like running 70kms at a stretch.Not doubting anyones capability but combat has no time table or a schedule.How many of us can run even 10 kilometers with 20kgs of load.I doubt any female will run 70kms carrying a heavy rocket launcher..even in OTA the female dont carry a real RL for running tasks.To even talk of them joining SF is laughable if i start sharing what kind of a thrashing the recruits go through..for starters every member is stripped and hung upside down and beaten like hell and this continues for 7 days...i doubt any female would like being treated like this.And then we will have unnecessary cases of female harassment.

Now coming to the point of special treatment..I think we should not make any kind of special treatment just to prove something.Those who want to come to see combat saying we want equality should firstly practice equality and not ask for any favours.

I am all in favour of females being involved in indirect combat like they are in the Army where they operate as combat sappers but SF and Infantry commando is a different league altogether.