Navy gets only 10pc of defence budget

[Viper 94]

Still there is a good chance of acquiring 13+3 UKs frigates or even some 9 more OHPs from USN with upgrade program if ME provide money.

PN has to separate the Pak Marines from its budget within this year. Also, the Pakistan Coast Guard should have a separate budget and MSA should be dissolved in the Pakistan Coast Guards. I'm sure then PN can easily sail on the Arabian seas.

which type of UKs frigates are we talking here
is PN going to be operating retired Royal navy frigates again like the type 21

 

[majid mehmood]

@HRK India has 6 times greater population than you.


India is building 6 conventional and 2 Nuclear Submarines. 6 more nuclear has been ordered. So, gap will remain alive.

u forgot that india will retire 6 subs so only 2 more which will make 15 same as pak
as the one is leased by india it will make only 15
so gap is dead
the only gap faced by pn is its destroyers, aircraft carrier and number of corvettes
and one more nuclear sub pn will have indeginously built
Defense Strategies: India Forces Pakistan To Indigenously Build Nuclear Submarine

 

[Lurch Adams]

Beta troll karega to yehi jawab milega.

Aila main toh dar gaya!!!

 

[Ahmed95]

Pakistan will retire 2 subs as well agosta 70s. And there is still no credible news about PN's nuc sub.

 

[I S I]

Good

Aila main toh dar gaya!!!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Put a few tac nuke Nasr's on a boat, and it's game over.

Another quality post by the great Indian TT...

You seem to love our Nasr TNM.. Did somebody poke you with it..

 

[Osiris]

u forgot that india will retire 6 subs so only 2 more which will make 15 same as pak
as the one is leased by india it will make only 15
so gap is dead
the only gap faced by pn is its destroyers, aircraft carrier and number of corvettes
and one more nuclear sub pn will have indeginously built
Defense Strategies: India Forces Pakistan To Indigenously Build Nuclear Submarine

Right now India has 13 diesel subs and 1 nuclear sub.

Starting next year 6 Scorpene subs will be inducted. One SSBN will be inducted.
2 more SSBN are in various stages construction, One SSN is on order from Russia.
These are the done deals.

Besides these another project for 6 SSKs in waiting approval, fast track induction of 2 improved kilo subs to replace the one lost is in works. 6 SSNs are to built indigenously.

As all Kilo subs have gone mid life refits recently..they have 15- 20 yrs of life left in them. The only one which will be decommissioned over the next decade are 4 HDW subs.

Where as Pakistan 3 Augusta 90 class and 2 Augusta 70 class.
2 Augusta 70 are being retired and you have ordered 8 Chinese subs..that makes a total of 11 conventional subs.

Where as Indian tally comes to 20 submarines 5 nuclear and 15 conventional subs without including, projects which have not been signed yet. i.e 6 SSNs and 6 P-75 and 2 improved Kilo.

Now you can you judge for yourself if the gap is increasing or decreasing.

 

[Whazzup]

Another quality post by the great Indian TT...

You seem to love our Nasr TNM.. Did somebody poke you with it..

I'm sorry to barge in here , don't u think Pakistan should change its doctrine to a counter offensive one rather than having a offensive defensive like it has right now?

Under Cold start IA has to launch an attack with in 48 hours with having limited or no defence and its stupidity to meet head on for both of the forces . So its logical Pakistan needs to have a strong defensive line followed by an equally strong counter offensive (if they take out IA's spearhead attacks) something similar to our Sundarji doctrine. Plus its not even that difficult to lay a defense against Cold Start as it lacks surprise in order to attack within 48 hours with lighting speed its obvious IA has to attack from Thar or maybe Gujrat .

IMHO Nasr is doing some serious damage to to PA and PAF's image.

 

[Viper0011.]

I'm sorry to barge in here , don't u think Pakistan should change its doctrine to a counter offensive one rather than having a offensive defensive like it has right now?

Under Cold start IA has to launch an attack with in 48 hours with having limited or no defence and its stupidity to meet head on for both of the forces . So its logical Pakistan needs to have a strong defensive line followed by an equally strong counter offensive (if they take out IA's spearhead attacks) something similar to our Sundarji doctrine. Plus its not even that difficult to lay a defense against Cold Start as it lacks surprise in order to attack within 48 hours with lighting speed its obvious IA has to attack from Thar or maybe Gujrat .

IMHO Nasr is doing some serious damage to to PA and PAF's image.

1: Still stuck with the "Cold Start"....which has actually become cold feet due to Pakistan's full spectrum defense strategy? Time to catch up with "today", that is, November 6th, 2015!! The Cold Start had ended when Pakistan operationalized a plethora of short range defense systems in 2014.

2: 48 hours are too much time for Pakistan. Its a much smaller country with limited area. The Cold Start concept was used in 2008. But it failed miserably. The IA and the IAF weren't able to attack Pakistan as she'd put 75% of her air-force within 40-80 KM of the border within 36 hours.

Before the 48 hours could finish, the Pakistanis were flying CAPs with "hot" missiles at lower altitude to evade Indian radars. This is when the PM of India's statement came out that "Pakistan was war mongering"!!

3: There is no surprise in anything. There is just way too much EI and HUMINT available on either side that the second you move 20 tanks altogether, the other side knows. So any war will end in a "madness protocol" where Flash Lights will be used. The big flashy ones.

So my advise, grow your country economically. Neither India is a superpower, nor her GDP is even bigger than even the UK (let alone Germany, China and the US). And obviously Pakistan is much smaller area and people wise. So when a war will destroy you both equally (specially India's growth for 20+ years, and Pakistan's current government's efforts for 3 years now), why even think of it or try to do it. I am concerned about Modi as these guys are really playing crazy inside India, but when he leaves and sane heads come to power on both sides, I think the war between India and Pakistan is out of the picture. All Cold Starts or Feet have really failed. Time to build people to people relationships and friendships!!

 

[Barrel-Bomba]

Pakistan are really far behind when we compare the Indo/Pak navies.

 

[Bad Guy]

u forgot that india will retire 6 subs so only 2 more which will make 15 same as pak
as the one is leased by india it will make only 15
so gap is dead
the only gap faced by pn is its destroyers, aircraft carrier and number of corvettes
and one more nuclear sub pn will have indeginously built

How gap is dead. India is inducting 14 submarines and retiring 6. So, still there is a gap of 8.
Gap will be reduced but notable (23>14).
And you can only maintain it till 2025-27.
After 2025, IN has a long term plan to get 50-60 submarines (level of China).

 

[fatman17]

Actually it's more like 20%

 

[wiseone2]

Naval weapons are very expensive and only way for bulk induction is domestic expertise in ship building

We need domestic expertise to atleast manufacture a indigenous ship of 10000 tonnage.

a bigger ship would be a bigger target for the IAF strike aircraft. ships without air cover are useless in modern warfare.
the pakistani navy has wisely invested in a submarine fleet for sea denial versus the Indian navy

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

a bigger ship would be a bigger target for the IAF strike aircraft. ships without air cover are useless in modern warfare.
the pakistani navy has wisely invested in a submarine fleet for sea denial versus the Indian navy

A "10,000" ton ship also has SAMs.. And the navy is backed by 30+ jets (in deputation from the PAF-- and now even JFs will also assist the PN). As for dub fleet.. There is a reason we are seeing all these articles (and on twin engined jets) on boasting the navy .. That's why a new shipyard is also being built and more ships and FACS being inducted... The extension in Pak EEZ & CPEC are also factors why PN fleet is set to increase.

 

[wiseone2]

A "10,000" ton ship also has SAMs.. And the navy is backed by 30+ jets (in deputation from the PAF-- and now even JFs will also assist the PN). As for dub fleet.. There is a reason we are seeing all these articles (and on twin engined jets) on boasting the navy .. That's why a new shipyard is also being built and more ships and FACS being inducted... The extension in Pak EEZ & CPEC are also factors why PN fleet is set to increase.

a 3000 ton warship will have SAMs too. a 10000 ton warship is more capable than a 3000 ton warship. but it is more vulnerable to an air strike. there is a reason battleships is an extinct category in the modern naval fleet. If you want to rely upon shore based PAF combat aircraft they cannot cover any Pakistani warship more than 500-600 km away your shores