Nationalism as opposed to Religion?

[livingdead]

@qamar1990, why would your country be against your religion?(if you are muslim pakistani)... if you are non muslim pakistani, you got a point, but thats precisely why all pakistanis should put nation before religion.

 

[qamar1990]

@qamar1990, why would your country be against your religion?(if you are muslim pakistani)... if you are non muslim pakistani, you got a point, but thats precisely why all pakistanis should put nation before religion.

i was just saying, my country was created for my religion , but i was just saying if my country ever tries to separate islam from pakistan then i say we might as ell just join india.

 

[livingdead]

i was just saying, my country was created for my religion , but i was just saying if my country ever tries to separate islam from pakistan then i say we might as ell just join india.

why, nepal is a hindu majority country, they feel no need to join India..
if you have separate identity and want to maintain it, why would you join India... ?

 

[Kloitra]

No! he wasn't. If you read some other Freedom fighter's books who worked with him. It was always mentioned that in early phase of joining HRA (Hindustan Republican Association) which later on changed to HSRA (Hindustan Socialist Republican Association) he was a religious person following all principles of Sikhism. It was later when he realized that dream of independence needs disguise then he sacrificed religious belief and principles.

He was atheist, a communist.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/bhagat-singh/1930/01/21.htm

He showed affinity towards communism well before he was adult (18), while he joined college at an age of 16.

 

[qamar1990]

why, nepal is a hindu majority country, they feel no need to join India..
if you have separate identity and want to maintain it, why would you join India... ?

nepal the national religion or what ever is hinduism, india is supposedly secular.
im speaking for pakistan not nepal.

 

[livingdead]

nepal the national religion or what ever is hinduism, india is supposedly secular.
im speaking for pakistan not nepal.

nepal has changed to secularism recently..
why would a secular country automatically join India..and should not Indians have a say in the process..

 

[qamar1990]

nepal has changed to secularism recently..
why would a secular country automatically join India..and should not Indians have a say in the process..

indians would get on their knees for us if pakistan ever wants to join india, and you should know that very well lol.

 

[livingdead]

indians would get on their knees for us if pakistan ever wants to join india, and you should know that very well lol.

you should know, we will not want anything like that upon us.. we love you..
but stay where ever you are... khus raho..

same applies to bangladeshis...

 

[RAMPAGE]

Badmaash bu.t.t. Aaj meri ummi nay keralay pakaii hain.

Usually she makes me kerala ghosht, but today just kerala.


My mom is going into surgery in 6 days, and Inshallah everything is going to be good from now on.

allah hum sab ki ammi's ka saya hamesha hum par rakhay ! ameen. btw karelay ghosht kay baghair kaisay nigal liay . lassi tou thi na ?

 

[Jayanta]

nepal has changed to secularism recently..
why would a secular country automatically join India..and should not Indians have a say in the process..

Nepal is a secular as well as a friendly nation. There is no point merging with India, the open borders, visa free travel is sort of EU type...why complicate it.

indians would get on their knees for us if pakistan ever wants to join india, and you should know that very well lol.

Oh yes, very true. India neither had or has any intention of having Pakistan. It's just a myth created by a selected few to keep the public wary and till now the con has worked pretty well.

 

[CometMibro]

Pre-islamic Arabia followed the much less accurate pagan lunar calender and muslims do the same today with exact same months.
Ramadan was considered holy in pagan Arabia and so it is under Islam. Hajj, Umraah, five prayers a day, devil stoning, and sacrifice are another set of pagan traditions continued under Islam.

Islam was a huge reform for backward pagan Arabs who worshiped stones and idols, for rest of the mankind it was a step backward.

Some research and critical thinking can help open up your mind unless you want to reject knowledge and continue to live in your cave..Google and youtube pagan beliefs and compare them yourself.

I like to work with facts.

Stop making assertions without giving evidence.

In the meantime you might like to read a biography of the Prophet Muhammad (saw), they generally give an accurate historical depiction of the life of the arabs before Islam.

 

[CometMibro]

I'd chose nationalism over religion if I had to

I don't really understand this - and I'm not trying to offend - but why would you put your nation over your duty to God?

 

[SHAMK9]

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I don't really understand this - and I'm not trying to offend - but why would you put your nation over your duty to God?

I can ask the same thing brother- but why would you put your god (Belief) over your duty to your country (whose existence we are 100% sure of).

 

[doppelganger]

Won't nationalism be redundant under a religious state?

Lets give an example of Pakistan. Most people are Muslim. If people stopped being nationalistic and were more religious they would still support Pakistan (since its a Muslim state) but with an added factor of Godwariness (and hence treating others well), being upright in character, giving much charity, etc?

Do you not see the Pakistan of today? Do you not appreciate that Pakistan was a creation of religion and has had more than its share of religion for its entire existence. Yet it is what it is today. So the panacea as per you is still more religion? If common religion really was the answer, as was theorized by Jinnah's thought process when demanding Pakistan for the Muslims, then Pakistan should have been the most tightly knit and united society in the world today. Is it?

 

[shuntmaster]

It is narrated by Abu Da'wud that the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,

"He is not one us who calls for nationalism, or who fights for nationalism or who dies for nationalism."

Arabs suppressed the local nationalism of the lands they conquered to advance Arab imperialism....