Nationalism as opposed to Religion?

[HRK]

Islam it self is hidden Arab nationalism.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; white has no superiority over black, nor does a black have any superiority over white; [none have superiority over another] except by piety and good action.

Prophet Muhammad’s Last Sermon: A Final Admonition - The Religion of Islam

The Farewell Sermon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[doppelganger]

All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; white has no superiority over black, nor does a black have any superiority over white; [none have superiority over another] except by piety and good action.

Prophet Muhammad’s Last Sermon: A Final Admonition - The Religion of Islam

The Farewell Sermon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They are admirable and emulateable sentiments indeed. But they died soon after his death, because the seeds of Shia and Sunni was born with that, and 1400 years of bloodshed and strife in trying to prove which form of the faith was superior. And of course it is commonly known that racism is alive and well in the Muslim world. So the teachings and the conduct somehow do not match.

 

[AHAM BRIHMASMI]

How do you know? Do you have proof?

I just love how people come and make baseless claims on the behalf of Islam and islamic history... seriously guys...

if you have looked for the bold parts which i have quoted, you wouldn't have struggled through comprehension problem.

 

[HRK]

They are admirable and emulateable sentiments indeed. But they died soon after his death, because the seeds of Shia and Sunni was born with that, and 1400 years of bloodshed and strife in trying to prove which form of the faith was superior. And of course it is commonly known that racism is alive and well in the Muslim world. So the teachings and the conduct somehow do not match.

Dear you are taking discussion in other direction..........which is off-course not the subject under discussion.......

even then I want to know about your academic knowledge and sources of Islamic history........as in your four liner reply you have 3 misconceptions..........

 

[Zaryanshah]

They are admirable and emulateable sentiments indeed. But they died soon after his death, because the seeds of Shia and Sunni was born with that, and 1400 years of bloodshed and strife in trying to prove which form of the faith was superior. And of course it is commonly known that racism is alive and well in the Muslim world. So the teachings and the conduct somehow do not match.

The schism between Ahl al Sunnah and Shias is not about race. The shias are an innovative and dark cult.

Some Shia are considered Muslims, and some Shia are considered Kufaar. Various Shia have different beliefs: some have beliefs which constitute Kufr, whereas others do not. Shaykh Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari says:

According to the classical and the majority of contemporary scholars, there are two types of Shi’as:

a)Those that hold beliefs that constitute disbelief (kufr)…shi’as that hold such beliefs are without a doubt out of the fold of Islam.
b)Those who do not hold beliefs that constitute Kufr…Such Shi’as can not be termed as out of the fold of Islam, rather they are considered to be severely deviated and transgressors (fisq).

source: Sunni Path,

Shaikh Abdul Wahab al-Turayree, a professor of Al-Imam University, says:

We cannot say that all the Shî`ah are unbelievers. On the other hand, there are many sects of the Shî`ah who advance claims that are tantamount to unbelief. Anyone who believes such things would be an unbeliever.

source: IslamToday.com,

Shaikh Muhammad Salih Al-Munajjid of Islam-qa.com says:

What we say about interacting with the Shi’ah depends on the situation. The innovated beliefs of the Shi’ah vary. If it [their belief] is something that does not put them beyond the pale of Islam…[it] is rather regarded [merely] as drifting away from the right path [as opposed to Kufr]…[in such a case] they are Muslims who have committed acts of innovation and sin that do not put them beyond the pale of Islam.

source: Islam-qa.com,

 

[somebozo]

Islam mandates that sharia should be implemented in Dar-Al-Islam. Sharia doesn't allow the separation of the state and mosque. So, religion/spirituality is not a private affair in Islamic nation and it is closely bound to the affairs of the state.

And you have the disastrous state of 54 Islamic countries to witness the miracles of Islam!

 

[Zaryanshah]

These are not assertions but facts derived after reading many authentic sources of information.
I have read a lot about Pre-islamic Arabia and have reached a conclusion that Mohammed turned no miracles but plagiarized from Persian, Greeko-Roman and Byzanite philosophy and also from bible, torah and Arab paganism. There are many confusions and coverups in Islam but stupidity remains veiled due to holy factory attached with it.

1400 years of Islam did not turn Arabia into a cradle of civilization, rather it remains the most backward place on earth today. That should be enough proof before making assertions.

Please spew your venom elsewhere. And why are you in Saudi Arabia?

 

[CometMibro]

They are admirable and emulateable sentiments indeed. But they died soon after his death, because the seeds of Shia and Sunni was born with that, and 1400 years of bloodshed and strife in trying to prove which form of the faith was superior. And of course it is commonly known that racism is alive and well in the Muslim world. So the teachings and the conduct somehow do not match.

I think that it worked fairly well. Sure, Muslims aren't following the sunnah of the Prophet right now but if you have a look at the Islamic empire, there were a huge number of different races all united under the name of Islam. It wasn't just the arabs taking control of everything, nor were they discriminating based on race.

I think it's a bad idea to look at Muslims as an example of Islam nowadays as any practicing Muslim will tell you that's an example of how Islam shouldn't be practiced.

 

[somebozo]

The schism between Ahl al Sunnah and Shias is not about race. The shias are an innovative and dark cult.

Some Shia are considered Muslims, and some Shia are considered Kufaar. Various Shia have different beliefs: some have beliefs which constitute Kufr, whereas others do not. Shaykh Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari says:

According to the classical and the majority of contemporary scholars, there are two types of Shi’as:

a)Those that hold beliefs that constitute disbelief (kufr)…shi’as that hold such beliefs are without a doubt out of the fold of Islam.
b)Those who do not hold beliefs that constitute Kufr…Such Shi’as can not be termed as out of the fold of Islam, rather they are considered to be severely deviated and transgressors (fisq).

source: Sunni Path,

Shaikh Abdul Wahab al-Turayree, a professor of Al-Imam University, says:

We cannot say that all the Shî`ah are unbelievers. On the other hand, there are many sects of the Shî`ah who advance claims that are tantamount to unbelief. Anyone who believes such things would be an unbeliever.

source: IslamToday.com,

Shaikh Muhammad Salih Al-Munajjid of Islam-qa.com says:

What we say about interacting with the Shi’ah depends on the situation. The innovated beliefs of the Shi’ah vary. If it [their belief] is something that does not put them beyond the pale of Islam…[it] is rather regarded [merely] as drifting away from the right path [as opposed to Kufr]…[in such a case] they are Muslims who have committed acts of innovation and sin that do not put them beyond the pale of Islam.

source: Islam-qa.com,

Seriously, who gives a f_ck?? Let people belive and worship whatever they want. Arabs including prophet relatives used to worship stones and idols...You never read in history about Persians invading Mecca and enforcing Zoroastrianism on them!

 

[Zaryanshah]

BTW what do people think of the scientific miracles of the Quran al Kareem?

 

[somebozo]

Please spew your venom elsewhere. And why are you in Saudi Arabia?

Why are you in the UK??? Please show some respect to the freedom you take for granted.

 

[CometMibro]

Somewhat irrelevant: Have you guys watched any of those youtube lectures by Nouman Ali Khan? Really popular western speaker, originally Pakistani. Popular among the non-Muslim crowd too. You guys should check out his lectures- it was one of the ways I fell in love with Islam/the Qur'an.

 

[doppelganger]

Zaryanshah brother you are quoting Sunni references to prove that Shia are the deviants. How unbiased or balanced as sources is that?

 

[Zaryanshah]

Seriously, who gives a f_ck?? Let people belive and worship whatever they want. Arabs including prophet relatives used to worship stones and idols...You never read in history about Persians invading Mecca and enforcing Zoroastrianism on them!

So? As a Mu'min it is simply not relevant to me. Lut alayhi salam and Nuh layhi salam had disbelieving relatives and wives. Pharoah was the most evil man of his time. Yet his wife Asiya was one of the most pious women of all time.

I don't care abt the history of Makkah al Mukarram before the nur of Islam emerged there. All else besides Allah and his gifted deen Islam is faaltoo.

Zaryanshah brother you are quoting Sunni references to prove that Shia are the deviants. How unbiased or balanced as sources is that?

It is the truth and that is allI care about. Any objective person can analyse this cult Shiaism and see its wrong and twisted.

Somewhat irrelevant: Have you guys watched any of those youtube lectures by Nouman Ali Khan? Really popular western speaker, originally Pakistani. Popular among the non-Muslim crowd too. You guys should check out his lectures- it was one of the ways I fell in love with Islam/the Qur'an.

May Allah SWT bless him. He is a gem the Muslim Ummah. He was a former apostate [became atheist] and has now returned to the true path Alhamdulillah.

 

[somebozo]

BTW what do people think of the scientific miracles of the Quran al Kareem?

Teaches wrong embryology but permits inter-marriage. Supposedly a big scientific blunder as Muslims make up for the largest victims of genetic disorders due to intermarriage.

Science in Islam was a work of propaganda funded with petrodollars and awarded to shoddy "good for nothing" scholars and scientists. Today this propaganda has completely ruined lives of thousands of people and has raised a generation of idiots as evident also on PDF!