My Kargil testimony, declassified

[Pulsar]

THE HARDCORE, PROVEN, WORLD KNOWN FACTS ABOUT KARGIL WAR, MAINLY, AS NARRATED BY PAKISTANI THEMSELVES:

Faced with the possibility of international isolation, the already fragile Pakistani economy was weakened further. The morale of Pakistani forces after the withdrawal declined as many units of the Northern Light Infantry suffered heavy casualties. The government refused to accept the dead bodies of many officers, an issue that provoked outrage and protests in the Northern Areas. Nawaz Sharif later said that over 4,000 Pakistani troops were killed in the operation

G8 nations supported India & condemned Pakistani violation of LOC at Cologne summit. The European Union too opposed Pakistan's violation of LOC. China, a long-time ally of Pakistan, insisted on a pullout of forces to the pre-conflict positions along the LoC & settling border issues peacefully. The ASEAN Regional Forum too supported India's stand on the inviolability of LOC. Faced with growing international pressure, Sharif managed to pull back the remaining soldiers from Kargil

1) Benazir Bhutto named Kargil War as "Pakistan's greatest blunder". Many ex-officials of the military and ISI also admitted that "Kargil was a waste of time". A retired Pak Army official, Lt Gen Ali Kuli Khan, labelled the war as "a disaster bigger than the 1971 tragedy", adding that the plan was full of flaws in terms of conception, tactical planning & execution". The Pakistani media criticized the whole plan since it only resulted in international condemnation

2) Despite calls by many, no public commission of inquiry was set up in Pakistan to investigate the people responsible for initiating Kargil war. The PML(N) published a white paper in 2006, which stated that Nawaz Sharif constituted an inquiry committee that recommended a court martial for Musharraf, but he "stole the report" after toppling the government, to save himself.

The report also claims that India knew about the plan 11 months before its launch, enabling a complete victory for India on military, diplomatic and economic fronts. A statement in June, 2008 by a former Pakistan Army X Corps Core-commander and Director-General of Military Intelligence (M.I.) that time, Lt. Gen. (retd.) Jamshed Kiani said that as PM, Nawaz Sharif "was never briefed by the army" on the Kargil attack.

In January 2013, Lt. Gen. (retd.) Shahid Aziz, who was the chief of ISI's analysis wing during the Kargil War in 1999, too openly exposed all the till date blatent lies of Musharraf regarding Kargil war (by means of which he had been misleading his own citizens till now), in pakistan's own media. He has nailed all those lies thoroughly & beyond the least doubt.

Former federal minister Lt-Gen (retd) Abdul Majeed Malik, who is an eyewitness to major happenings that took place during the tenure of the second Nawaz Sharif government, says the Kargil operation of Pervez Musharraf was badly conceived, faultily executed and totally unneeded.

“Musharraf’s assertion that the then government turned a won war into a political defeat is erroneous and misplaced. Rather it saved the army and Pakistan from further embarrassment and humiliation, and this was a major achievement.”

Majeed Malik said that the casualties Pakistan suffered in the otherwise limited Kargil battle were perhaps even more than those in the full-fledged 1971 war with India.

Now to my Pakistani friends here, don't troll me. Ask your generals first before blowing smoke rings out here and calling all this rubbish. This isn't a fairy tale I invented. It's straight from the horse's mouth - Pakistani generals themselves!

And oh yes, in one of the interviews, then corps commander X corps, Lt Gen Kayani himself says that Nawaz ran to the US to stop the Indian onslaught as, "Pakistani Army ka izzat ka swaal thha"!

It's on You Tube. Check it out. (Again, this from the horse's mouth - Lt Gen Kayani, GOC X Corps himself, one of the most respected Generals of the Pak Army).

And what about the Pakistani logistics base at Mantho Dhalo? Google it! After it was destroyed by the IAF, supplies dried up and the NLI was without food, water, fuel and ammo. And as you're aware, starving troops can't fight!

 

[danger007]

What's funny about it, after losing three aircraft in two days, IAF opted to operate from higher altitude to avoid any SAM threat, now take into consideration the terrain and the environment, low cloud cover prevailing most of the time.....at the same time IAF had to be very careful as not to ingress into Pakistani airspace...... I am sure even the much respected Tufail Kaiser said that these bombings had little impact.

while Pak deserted from kargil blunder. ..

 

[oFFbEAT]

Should we consider ourselves privileged that you have joined us to splash your brains out.
Pakistan lost Kargil not due to Indians bravery rather the cowardice shown by the country's political leadership, what to talk of 15 years, if Indians were so convinced and flushed with Kargil victory, three years later they wouldn't have sat at the border for a whole year and watch Mushrooms grow on their sorry a$$.

Indian soldiers are not brave........OK.
BUT why 'brave' Pakistani soldiers occupied temporarily abandoned posts? why didn't they attack when Indian soldiers were manning those posts?.....

 

[danger007]

THE HARDCORE, PROVEN, WORLD KNOWN FACTS ABOUT KARGIL WAR, MAINLY, AS NARRATED BY PAKISTANI THEMSELVES:

Faced with the possibility of international isolation, the already fragile Pakistani economy was weakened further. The morale of Pakistani forces after the withdrawal declined as many units of the Northern Light Infantry suffered heavy casualties. The government refused to accept the dead bodies of many officers, an issue that provoked outrage and protests in the Northern Areas. Nawaz Sharif later said that over 4,000 Pakistani troops were killed in the operation

G8 nations supported India & condemned Pakistani violation of LOC at Cologne summit. The European Union too opposed Pakistan's violation of LOC. China, a long-time ally of Pakistan, insisted on a pullout of forces to the pre-conflict positions along the LoC & settling border issues peacefully. The ASEAN Regional Forum too supported India's stand on the inviolability of LOC. Faced with growing international pressure, Sharif managed to pull back the remaining soldiers from Kargil

1) Benazir Bhutto named Kargil War as "Pakistan's greatest blunder". Many ex-officials of the military and ISI also admitted that "Kargil was a waste of time". A retired Pak Army official, Lt Gen Ali Kuli Khan, labelled the war as "a disaster bigger than the 1971 tragedy", adding that the plan was full of flaws in terms of conception, tactical planning & execution". The Pakistani media criticized the whole plan since it only resulted in international condemnation

2) Despite calls by many, no public commission of inquiry was set up in Pakistan to investigate the people responsible for initiating Kargil war. The PML(N) published a white paper in 2006, which stated that Nawaz Sharif constituted an inquiry committee that recommended a court martial for Musharraf, but he "stole the report" after toppling the government, to save himself.

The report also claims that India knew about the plan 11 months before its launch, enabling a complete victory for India on military, diplomatic and economic fronts. A statement in June, 2008 by a former Pakistan Army X Corps Core-commander and Director-General of Military Intelligence (M.I.) that time, Lt. Gen. (retd.) Jamshed Kiani said that as PM, Nawaz Sharif "was never briefed by the army" on the Kargil attack.

In January 2013, Lt. Gen. (retd.) Shahid Aziz, who was the chief of ISI's analysis wing during the Kargil War in 1999, too openly exposed all the till date blatent lies of Musharraf regarding Kargil war (by means of which he had been misleading his own citizens till now), in pakistan's own media. He has nailed all those lies thoroughly & beyond the least doubt.

Former federal minister Lt-Gen (retd) Abdul Majeed Malik, who is an eyewitness to major happenings that took place during the tenure of the second Nawaz Sharif government, says the Kargil operation of Pervez Musharraf was badly conceived, faultily executed and totally unneeded.

“Musharraf’s assertion that the then government turned a won war into a political defeat is erroneous and misplaced. Rather it saved the army and Pakistan from further embarrassment and humiliation, and this was a major achievement.”

Majeed Malik said that the casualties Pakistan suffered in the otherwise limited Kargil battle were perhaps even more than those in the full-fledged 1971 war with India.

Now to my Pakistani friends here, don't troll me. Ask your generals first before blowing smoke rings out here and calling all this rubbish. This isn't a fairy tale I invented. It's straight from the horse's mouth - Pakistani generals themselves!

And oh yes, in one of the interviews, then corps commander X corps, Lt Gen Kayani himself says that Nawaz ran to the US to stop the Indian onslaught as, "Pakistani Army ka izzat ke swaal thha"!

It's on You Tube. Check it out. (Again, this from the horse's mouth - Lt Gen Kayani, GOC X Corps himself, one of the most respected Generals of the Pak Army).

how dare you to post this...

 

[Windjammer]

i thought some of your country men said only 1000 mujahideen/ Pak army taken part of kargil op... While IAF bombed hell those intruders ... PAF refused to take part .. While PN officers afraid of IN and get in q to get leaves... you are trying to say IA get humiliated. ..lolz biggest joke... This is more than ultra nationalism .... even Pak refused to take back the dead bodies of its soldiers... IA response was massive... and we recaptured those peaks... Pak was humiliated diplomatically and militarily .. not in a position to continue the war...

Load of usual nonsense, the IAF carried out operations within it's own side, the only time it ventured over Pakistani territory, it found out to their cost, PN officers taking a leave ?????,,, you people are really full of it, is this what your media has been feeding you, may be those Indians who commit fratricides, do it as they are too scared to fight the PA. ......do you think, no Indian bodies were handed back by Pakistan ????....did you see any footage of that....but the Indian drama queens had to film and showboat handing over the bodies of Pakistani soldiers.....where as infact the Indians refused to receive their ALIVE pilot in front of the media until he was handed over by the Red Cross on the border.....but then that's Indian psyche, ignore introspection, just follow the attitude of blind leading blind and turn every thread/ forum into Slumdog street.

 

[Badbadman]

I would rather go join azadi march.

 

[danger007]

Load of usual nonsense, the IAF carried out operations within it's own side, the only time it ventured over Pakistani territory, it found out to their cost, PN officers taking a leave ?????,,, you people are really full of it, is this what your media has been feeding you, may be those Indians who commit fratricides, do it as they are too scared to fight the PA. ......do you think, no Indian bodies were handed back by Pakistan ????....did you see any footage of that....but the Indian drama queens had to film and showboat handing over the bodies of Pakistani soldiers.....where as infact the Indians refused to receive their ALIVE pilot in front of the media until he was handed over by the Red Cross on the border.....but then that's Indian psyche, ignore introspection, just follow the attitude of blind leading blind and turn every thread/ forum into Slumdog street.

thank you for accepting truth it is our territory. .. yup PN officers was afraid source Oscar ... empty air threats .... because paf lack of BVR during kargil.. you are famous for chest thumping. ..

 

[B+ Dracula]

Indian army
IA loss brave men to tell GOI that they need to be upgraded ...
that why bad mojo of indian politics the BOFORS made havoc in pak side...
in india we learn late but we learn for sure ...
IA may be thanking PA for kargil
which showed not to belive on PA professionlisam any more..
so now we have ,
1. fence border
2. sensores on border
3. tech on borderd
4. GOI relasied and acted on IA list of weapson
5. It came know about their own mistakes ... yes they accept and act to change it.
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It resulted in Increase in War Cost...........Very Good
GOI must take all measures to secure there side.....No doubt
But....there is no such Gurantee, they will save you for next HAVOC

vacating hill
ask any old PA guy he will tell you its MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING to avoid human loss of life due climate
both side go back in winter and come when it over ON RESPECTIVE position .
which broked by PA

maybe we broke the PROMISE.
But....Wat about Siachin intrusion in 1984, when we were busy with Russia Invasion??

which resulted in ,
Siacheen where our g8 ex pm MMS wanted to make siachen MOUTAIN OF PEaCE but IA said NO THANK YOU
instead they use Science and system to make life of soldires more better than before
so now there are almost ZERO casualty due to cliamte ...

I have no idea, you turned siachin into Heaven & ur soldiers are enjoying Picnic (without family) in Severe mental distress
.
We all know that, wat the best u can do is....turn little piece of land into Garden, not whole Siachin....

We usually count only Dead ones not --- Cost of War / Mental Problems in extreme Cold / Unfriendly Environment
world take war as full picture...
WW II won by USA, Uk ,, Russia ..
Russia losts most men .. did they lost ? in fact they are the wons who turned the tide of WWII
UK won war but lost its empire for ever can you term it was victory ?
as per your parameter who won and who lost ?(military causalty)

You ppl have no Warfare History so dont compare yourself with Russians / Germans or else
If you ever won any battle in last 1000 years then(at the same time) you wont be able to cash that victory - off course it included 1971 too

 

[hkdas]

Load of usual nonsense, the IAF carried out operations within it's own side, the only time it ventured over Pakistani territory, it found out to their cost, PN officers taking a leave ?????,,, you people are really full of it, is this what your media has been feeding you, may be those Indians who commit fratricides, do it as they are too scared to fight the PA. ......do you think, no Indian bodies were handed back by Pakistan ????....did you see any footage of that....but the Indian drama queens had to film and showboat handing over the bodies of Pakistani soldiers.....where as infact the Indians refused to receive their ALIVE pilot in front of the media until he was handed over by the Red Cross on the border.....but then that's Indian psyche, ignore introspection, just follow the attitude of blind leading blind and turn every thread/ forum into Slumdog street.

use your common sense if you have any. indian air force and army have clear order not to cross the LOC. the order came from then PM A.B.vajpayee. IAF were simply obeying the order of our PM, that is the reason why there was no cross border violations.
it was PAF who was afraid of IAF. IAF was pounding bombs on your soldiers and PAF don't even try to stop it. at that time pakistan cover was blown and everybody knows that PA not kashmiri terrorist were fighting indian army, so your pathetic excuse of saying that PAF don't interfere because PA army wants to keep their cover is not valid.
don't you know that kargil war was the 1st war in south asia which was broadcasting the war footage on live. indian army give ful cooperation with the media personals and army even take these media to the front line. if you google then you can found the videos of kargil from NDTV and other indian news channels on kargil war. it was pakistani media who complained that the pakistan army and military who don't even let them to interview the military personals.
indian army was winning the war and capturing every post the PA is occupied then how the hell pakistan army could handover bodies of indian soldiers?? you army jawans are dying in that mountains and many were running to save their lives. in many places they can't even came out of where they were hiding because of artillery firing and bombing by IAF.
it was that unprofessional pakistani soldiers who shot kill the pilot due to the frustration of their failure to accomplish the task they are given.
some brainwashed fools like you are just trying to troll in this thread will not change the fact. if you don't know the history of kargil war then you must learn it. at least learn form your own military personals. many had agreed that pakistan miserably failed in that war and failed in all the aspects of the war.

 

[hkdas]

It resulted in Increase in War Cost...........Very Good
GOI must take all measures to secure there side.....No doubt
But....there is no such Gurantee, they will save you for next HAVOC

there is no guarantee pakistan will survive next war... india let pakistan go in previous 4 wars. next time that won't happen. it is pakistan's policy to beg help during war, not india's.

maybe we broke the PROMISE.
But....Wat about Siachin intrusion in 1984, when we were busy with Russia Invasion??

siachen was no man's land before 1980s. pakistan try to out smart india by publishing maps which shows siachen as a part of pakistan. but india successfully counter that move. in 1999, 1971, 1965 you wasn't busy with anything but pakistan failed to do anything to india each war pakistan was defeated, every pakistani move. actually in 1965 we were at our weakest in military strength because of the war in 1962. when pakistan military learns that pakistan cannot win india with conventional war they turned to sponsor terrorism in india.

I have no idea, you turned siachin into Heaven & ur soldiers are enjoying Picnic (without family) in Severe mental distress
.
We all know that, wat the best u can do is....turn little piece of land into Garden, not whole Siachin....

our soldiers are facing the common problem of a human being is deployed in a high altitude areas. and it is reported in media only because our military and civilins consider our soldiers life a precious one. look at your military they don't even reports the casualties. we are developing technologies for our soldiers to live in that place without causing any problems. look at pakistani side, what are pakistanis doing for their soldiers deployed in those area?? notting.... are you developing or trying to develop anything for your soldiers deployed in high altitude areas??? no... that is the difference b/w indian and pakistani military. we care a lot about our military personals deployed in inhospitable terrains.and we understand that those soldiers are sacrificing their life to protect our country, and because of that we are trying to make their life in those areas more comfortable.

You ppl have no Warfare History so dont compare yourself with Russians / Germans or else
If you ever won any battle in last 1000 years then(at the same time) you wont be able to cash that victory - off course it included 1971 too

does pakistan have any of the above you talk about?? did you win a single war by your own?? pakistani military don't have a history of successful war. can you tell me any single war pakistan fought and win by its own??

 

[B+ Dracula]

siachen was no man's land before 1980s. pakistan try to out smart india by publishing maps which shows siachen as a part of pakistan. but india successfully counter that move. in 1999, 1971, 1965 you wasn't busy with anything but pakistan failed to do anything to india each war pakistan was defeated, every pakistani move. actually in 1965 we were at our weakest in military strength because of the war in 1962. when pakistan military learns that pakistan cannot win india with conventional war they turned to sponsor terrorism in india.

We are regretting the day of 1962, unfortunately Ayub offered you join War with India also he offered Joint Pact with India declined by nehru...........Pakistan seriously realized its military weakness Post 71 era, Before 71 era...Yes you've upper hand but now things have changed tremendously. If you want to live in past then Ok its up to you.

there is no guarantee pakistan will survive next war... india let pakistan go in previous 4 wars. next time that won't happen. it is pakistan's policy to beg help during war, not india's.

What About Russians role in 1971, dont talk silly, I dont want to go into detail bcoz it is clear to everybody World is full of Agendas not about JUSTICE.
We use to hear India or china are peaceful country or they dont want mess but having the Strong Influx of money Now - both countries are flexing their Muscles, .......so stop talking rubbish

 

[hkdas]

We are regretting the day of 1962, unfortunately Ayub offered you join War with India also he offered Joint Pact with India declined by nehru...........Pakistan seriously realized its military weakness Post 71 era, Before 71 era...Yes you've upper hand but now things have changed tremendously. If you want to live in past then Ok its up to you.

don't have to regret. pakistan attack india in 1965 because pakistani military leadership thought that india will be weak due to the war with china, they tried to exploit that. yes, pakistan didn't attack india in 1962, but pakistan won't have that much military mobility for full scale war with india without any preparation. china attack india without any warning, they caught us with surprise, india was not prepared for the war with china at that time. india's focus was on western front. but india didn't attack pakistan in 1980s. pakistan was fighting with soviets in that time and india never interfered in that war despite india have a good relation with afghanistan and USSR.

What About Russians role in 1971, dont talk silly, I dont want to go into detail bcoz it is clear to everybody World is full of Agendas not about JUSTICE.
We use to hear India or china are peaceful country or they dont want mess but having the Strong Influx of money Now - both countries are flexing their Muscles, .......so stop talking rubbish

russia help us by blocking US battle group in indian ocean, and they support india in UN too. but the war was fought and won by india. no soviets were asked to help to fight pakistan. they don't send us weapons like americans do to pakistanis .

 

[Slayer786]

India Army cheif during kargil said "We will fight with sticks and stones" So whats the secret shekar gupta is talking about

Well what he is trying to relay here is that our soldiers are better trained. It was indian media which lied and fooled u indians to believe that u guys won in kargil.

 

[dray]

Should we consider ourselves privileged that you have joined us to splash your brains out.
Pakistan lost Kargil not due to Indians bravery rather the cowardice shown by the country's political leadership, what to talk of 15 years, if Indians were so convinced and flushed with Kargil victory, three years later they wouldn't have sat at the border for a whole year and watch Mushrooms grow on their sorry a$$.

You have ready excuses for all the wars that you have lost against India, right? Oh wait, your military never won any war for you guys in spite of all the bravado and chest-thumping!!

 

[Iggy]

p jammy boy getting personal when his claims got busted. . The naval officers applying for leave in fear of attack was stated was none other than Oscar. .as we can see from various leaders statement. Mushraff was a failure as a tactician and even as a leader..NS did much better job in saving those soldiers from onslaught..