Musharaf handed over death sentence

[Haris Ali2140]

What matters is, in the end we won..
nothing else matters..

we got point 5353..Operation Vijay failed..We can pull of another kargil anytime we want which was unthinkable the first time.

A soldiers life is for his nation, thats what he inscripted to do.
Abandoned? Do you know what they pulled of was a daredevil act.Many fought in civilian clothes who told back home they wouldn't return..
The withdrawal act was signed on July 4th and everyone whoever survived by then was recovered.The supply line was incoherent, irregular and the weather was bad still it was achieved however possible.

We lost Kashmir narrative. It was a turning point for the world regarding Pakistan vs India on Kashmir.

 

[B.K.N]

We lost Kashmir narrative. It was a turning point for the world regarding Pakistan vs India on Kashmir.

Kashmir was lost in 1947
India won't withdraw from Kashmir even if entire world is with Pakistan
Statements drama baazi sa koi farq nhi prta

 

[Jungibaaz]

We lost Kashmir narrative. It was a turning point for the world regarding Pakistan vs India on Kashmir.

Kargil caused huge damage to Kashmir cause and the credibility of Pakistan.

US until then was seen as a historical ally of Pakistan, after Kargil it began its shift towards India as you might recall.

Clinton even refused to shake hands with Musharraf in public.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Kargil caused huge damage to Kashmir cause and the credibility of Pakistan.

US until then was seen as a historical ally of Pakistan, after Kargil it began its shift towards India as you might recall.

Clinton even refused to shake hands with Musharraf in public.

US would have gone to India either way. They were with us due to so soviets and then due to Afg. War.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Fair enough, but I guarantee that the day will come where the truth of this and other matters will be evident. Then Musharraf’s reputation will be rightfully soiled after his death.

 

[mikkix]

Kargil caused huge damage to Kashmir cause and the credibility of Pakistan.

US until then was seen as a historical ally of Pakistan, after Kargil it began its shift towards India as you might recall.

Clinton even refused to shake hands with Musharraf in public.

Dude USA left Pakistan after the Afghan Russo war, you forgot Pressler amendment.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Kargil caused huge damage to Kashmir cause and the credibility of Pakistan.

US until then was seen as a historical ally of Pakistan, after Kargil it began its shift towards India as you might recall.

Clinton even refused to shake hands with Musharraf in public.

It is failed diplomacy nothing else...

Why not world went against India when they annexed Siachin?

A successful military operation became a debacle when a country head found his legs jelly in front of Clinton.

 

[B.K.N]

It is failed diplomacy nothing else...

Maybe it's the size of India world can't ignore such a large country
Four times larger than Pakistan in area and seven times in population

 

[crankthatskunk]

These fucked up judiciary has put Pakistan in to another legal mess by this decision.
Musharaf here is irrelevant, the rule of law and constitution is important.
Constitution also mentions "aiders and abettors", where are they!!

This case was started by the criminal Nawaz Butt. Ch Nisar started the process. He single out Musharaf for obvious reasons. This case from the start is based on bias and personal vendetta.
The judiciary should have not even started this case, without the name and prosecution of aiders and abettors, period.
In one sense this case and the decision is against the constitution of Pakistan, nothing but personal agenda and vendetta.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Dude USA left Pakistan after the Afghan Russo war, you forgot Pressler amendment.

Haven’t forgotten that at all, but the state of Pakistan’s image was in tatters, additional sanctions were also triggered post coup. And Kargil only caused massive credibility damage, subsequent coup removed confidence even more.

It’s no doubt the case that post Pressler and our nuclear proliferation, then nuclear tests, and India’s rising economy would have meant a shift either way. But it gave the Indians an excuse and new narrative on Kashmir and allowed this to be overlooked subsequently.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Those who are commenting without keeping the article 6 of Pakistani constitution should read it and then decide what the judges have done in this judgement and how they have allowed Corrupt thug Nawaz to exercise his open hostility against Musharaf.


Article 6. High treason


6. High treason.—1[(1) Any person who abrogates or subverts or suspends or holds in abeyance, or attempts or conspires to abrogate or subvert or suspend or hold in abeyance, the Constitution by use of force or show of force or by any other unconstitutional means shall be guilty of high treason.]

(2) Any person aiding or abetting 2[or collaborating] the acts mentioned in clause (1) shall likewise be guilty of high treason.

3[(2A) An act of high treason mentioned in clause (1) or clause (2) shall not be validated by any court including the Supreme Court and a High Court.]

(3) 4[Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament)] shall by law provide for the punishment of persons found guilty of high treason.

 

[Jungibaaz]

It is failed diplomacy nothing else...

Why not world went against India when they annexed Siachin?

A successful military operation became a debacle when a country head found his legs jelly in front of Clinton.

Siachen was their version of Kargil, we tried to pay them back without proper planning and we were not ready for escalation.

India made the same mistake in 26-27 Feb, they didn’t game our response and paid the price.

Kargil plan was known to the army since Zia, and was rejected as an unsuitable plan whenever proposed due to the question of how we respond if India decides to fight back or open a new front etc.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Siachen was their version of Kargil, we tried to pay them back without proper planning and we were not ready for escalation.

India made the same mistake in 26-27 Feb, they didn’t game our response and paid the price.

Kargil plan was known to the army since Zia, and was rejected as an unsuitable plan whenever proposed due to the question of how we respond if India decides to fight back or open a new front etc.

We intruded on 5 locations and they knew only 2 or three till the end....

If the leader or country had nerves we could negotiated it for Siachin.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

We lost Kashmir narrative. It was a turning point for the world regarding Pakistan vs India on Kashmir.

ohhh.so did we win the Kashmir narrative when Indians took over Siachin in 80s?
We lost Kashmir narrative ? lol really Kashmir got internationalized..For the first time states understood there are two nuclear rivals in this region and their is a LOC which is not an international border..anyone can get anything he wants by attacking either side, and that most importantly kashmir an unfinished agenda left since partition.
Dont fool your self kiddo.

 

[crankthatskunk]

How Nawaz and his goons with the help of corrupt PPP thugs have carried out vendetta against Musharaf and the whole case is based on their hatred of Pakistani army.

Participants here should be aware of the abhorrent "18th amendment" to the constitution of Pakistan passed by the corrupt thugs so they can loot Pakistan with impunity. That amendment also carried changes to article 6 so they can take out personal vendetta against Musharaf. Read this.

Footnotes:

1. Section 4(i) of the Constitution (Eighteenth Amendment) Act, 2010 (10 of 2010), substituted the said clause, in its present form, (w.e.f. April 19, 2010), in place of the clause (1) of Art. 6, as adopted in 1973, that read :

(1) Any person who abrogates or attempts or conspires to abrogate, subverts or attempts or conspires to subvert the Constitution by use of force or show of force or by other unconstitutional means shall be guilty of high treason.

2. Section 4(ii) of the Constitution (Eighteenth Amendment) Act, 2010 (10 of 2010), inserted the said word after the word “abetting” in clause (2) of Art. 6, (w.e.f. April 19, 2010).

3. Section 4(iii) of the Constitution (Eighteenth Amendment) Act, 2010 (10 of 2010), inserted a new clause (2A), in its present form, after clause (2) of Art. 6, (w.e.f. April 19, 2010).