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Motivations behind selecting the name 'India' in 1947

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Yes. Ancient Ghaggar- Hakra (Saraswati) river was primary river of Harappan civilization not Indus.

Most of the settlement are found on the banks of this river which flows through India and Pakistan.

Majority of settlements are found in the desert region of eastern Pakistan. Not many people live here and partition boundary arbitrarily divide the region. It could have gone to India then India would become "center" of civilization.
 
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There was no partition - two entities gained independence from the erstwhile British Empire. That is the truth and the whole truth
 
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Then why it was called "partition" in 1947? You cannot change history to suit your own idea.

Jinnah never talked about Pakistan being always separate. He only talk about Pakistan as homeland for muslims of India. That is the real Pakistan, not the new Zia ul Haq definition of Islamic Theocracy or Protector of Islam.

We Indian don't want to merge with Pakistan. We are very happy in current border. But that does not change the fact of history.
 
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There was no partition - two entities gained independence from the erstwhile British Empire. That is the truth and the whole truth

You can't change history. India has been appointed as successor state of UN. British India seat was transferred to India. If you see UN official record, India is found member of UN and is member since 30 October 1945 while Pakistan is member since 30 September 1947.

This should clear your doubts. You should know that same basic was applied with USSR. When USSR was divided, USSR seat was transferred to Russia. So, Russia is successor state of Russia. Countries like Ukraine can't claim itself as equal or successor state.
 
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your history knowledge is quite limited and this is probably my last post to you, the word Hindu comes from sindhu, it was a secular term not a religious term untill british came in 1800's, the name was given to Sindh (lower indus Valley region) rather than the Indian subcontinent by Sassanid persians Empire, The sassanids occupied Sindh in early 200AD and ruled for few centuries, When mughals came they applied name hindustan over all of northen india

What a scholarly flourish!

The name Sindhu was Rg Vedic and Sindh was a usage of the Indo-Aryan Sanskrit branch of the language.

Iranians, of the earliest period of which we know of any recognition of India, called the same land the Hapta-Hindu, instead of the Rg Vedic Sapta Sindhu, and called the people Hindu (the Rg Veda had no equivalent term, as like many other examples throughout the world, it had no specific term for its own people).

The Iranians who referred to the land of the Hapta-Hindu, who recruited soldiers from these Indus Valley locations, and who introduced the Greeks to the possibility of a country, or a cultural centre, or a geographical area called India, were the Achaemenids, who ruled from ancient times until 324 BC. The Sassanids were very new to the block.

There is no difference, none whatsoever, between the residents of the sub-continent of South Asia and the inhabitants of the Indus Valley Culture, with the exception of the Pushto, the Baluch and the Parsis. This is according to a study of haplotypes available in Pakistan, conducted as a follow-up and local specialisation in the Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza studies of genetic types in different regions.
 
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Ptolemy world map, 150 AD.

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No no this is just another load of cra*!
As you would know that Jinnah did agree not to seperate from from india if, from karachi to kolkata and from kashmir to kanya kumari pakistani flag was hoisted. And muslim league was ruling party in delhi. And most importantly the name of the country would've been changed to PAKISTAN!! So, this just goes to show that indian leaders did not CHOOSE the name india but it was Jinnah who chose his seperate country for muslims to be called PAKISTAN!
 
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The claims of indians aside, we Pakistanis know the truth and that is for the vast majority of 9,000 years - Pakistan has been independent of bharat.:)
 
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If your truth = ignore all facts, then yes you know truth.

But that truth is not truth, just blind belief :)
 
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If your truth = ignore all facts, then yes you know truth.

But that truth is not truth, just blind belief :)

A very close assessment, yet not close enough! Try this one:

In arguing too, the parson own'd his skill,
For e'en though vanquish'd he could argue still;
While words of learned length and thund'ring sound
Amazed the gazing rustics rang'd around;
 
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The Soanian is an archaeological culture of the Lower Paleolithic (ca. 500,000 to 1,250,000 BC), contemporary to the Acheulean. It is named after the Soan Valley in the Sivalik Hills, near modern-day Islamabad/Rawalpindi, Pakistan. The bearers of this culture were Homo erectus. In Adiyala and Khasala, about 16 kilometers (10 miles) from Rawalpindi, on the bend of the Soan River hundreds of edged pebble tools were discovered. No human skeletons of this age have yet been found. In the Soan River Gorge many fossil bearing rocks are exposed on the surface. The 14 million year old fossils of gazelle, rhinoceros, crocodile, giraffe and rodents have been found there. Some of these fossils are on display at the Natural History Museum in Islamabad.
 
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Mehrgarh, (Urdu: م*ﮩ*رگڑھ , Brahui: Mehrgaŕh) one of the most important Neolithic (7000 BC to c. 2500 BC) sites in archaeology, lies on what is now the "Kachi plain" of today's Balochistan, Pakistan. It is one of the earliest sites with evidence of farming (wheat and barley) and herding (cattle, sheep and goats) in South Asia."[1].


A relief map of Pakistan showing Mehrgarh.


Early farming village in Mehrgarh, c. 7000 BCE, with houses built with mud bricks. (Musée Guimet, Paris).
The site is located near the Bolan Pass, to the west of the Indus River valley and between the present-day Pakistani cities of Quetta, Kalat and Sibi. Mehrgarh was discovered in 1974 by an archaeological team directed by French archaeologist Jean-François Jarrige, and was excavated continuously between 1974 and 1986. The earliest settlement at Mehrgarh—in the northeast corner of the 495-acre (2.00 km2) site—was a small farming village dated between 7000 BCE–5500 BCE.
 
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BARDS of Passion and of Mirth,
Ye have left your souls on earth!
Have ye souls in heaven too,
Doubled-lived in regions new?
Yes, and those of heaven commune
With the spheres of sun and moon;
With the noise of fountains wondrous,
And the parle of voices thund'rous;
With the whisper of heaven's trees
And one another, in soft ease
Seated on Elysian lawns
Browsed by none but Dian's fawns;
Underneath large blue-bells tented,
Where the daisies are rose-scented,
And the rose herself has got
Perfume which on earth is not;
Where the nightingale doth sing
Not a senseless, tranced thing,
But divine melodious truth;
Philosophic numbers smooth;
Tales and golden histories
Of heaven and its mysteries.

Thus ye live on high, and then
On the earth ye live again;
And the souls ye left behind you
Teach us, here, the way to find you,
Where your other souls are joying,
Never slumber'd, never cloying.
Here, your earth-born souls still speak
To mortals, of their little week;
Of their sorrows and delights;
Of their passions and their spites;
Of their glory and their shame;
What doth strengthen and what maim.
Thus ye teach us, every day,
Wisdom, though fled far away.

Bards of Passion and of Mirth,
Ye have left your souls on earth!
Ye have souls in heaven too,
Double-lived in regions new!

Keats
 
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What a scholarly flourish!

The name Sindhu was Rg Vedic and Sindh was a usage of the Indo-Aryan Sanskrit branch of the language.

Iranians, of the earliest period of which we know of any recognition of India, called the same land the Hapta-Hindu, instead of the Rg Vedic Sapta Sindhu, and called the people Hindu (the Rg Veda had no equivalent term, as like many other examples throughout the world, it had no specific term for its own people).

The Iranians who referred to the land of the Hapta-Hindu, who recruited soldiers from these Indus Valley locations, and who introduced the Greeks to the possibility of a country, or a cultural centre, or a geographical area called India, were the Achaemenids, who ruled from ancient times until 324 BC. The Sassanids were very new to the block.

There is no difference, none whatsoever, between the residents of the sub-continent of South Asia and the inhabitants of the Indus Valley Culture, with the exception of the Pushto, the Baluch and the Parsis. This is according to a study of haplotypes available in Pakistan, conducted as a follow-up and local specialisation in the Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza studies of genetic types in different regions.

I know there is no point of having a discusssion with you, i will give a last try.
The name sapta sindhwa was only applied to punjab and sindh not to the entire sub-continent. The persians and greeks didn't know anything about land that lay beyond punjab.
Wrong again
The first time the word hindu was used aroud 262 AD when it was mentioned as an area in Naqsh-i-Rustam inscription of Shapur 1, the sassanid ruler, The inscription enlists the area conquered by Sassanid emperor who defeated Kushans. The name hindustan was only applied to sindh not to punjab because sassanids only occupied sindh.A sourcebook of Indian civilization - Google Books

I agree there is no diference between people of subcontinent, but pakistanis are not south asian, Pakistanis are south Central Asian, culturally, historically, ethnically, geographically, and all follow same religion.
Ofcourse you disagree to all what i have written.
 
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I know there is no point of having a discusssion with you, i will give a last try.

Please keep your promise - let it be your last.

Being confronted with Google scholars in season and out of season is irritating in the extreme. There is no harm in resorting to Wikipedia on an area on which one has no expertise, in order to get one's bearings, but this has to be subject to the opinions of those trained in the disciplines concerned, and the fine details in Wikipedia should not be brandished under the noses of others as possessing any legitimacy beyond a preliminary direction to further research.

The name sapta sindhwa was only applied to punjab and sindh not to the entire sub-continent.

True. And you failed to get the linguistic point, like some others earlier: neither did the term Hapta-Hindu refer to the whole sub-continent. The term Hindu, in its late mediaeval connotations, meaning black man, did refer to residents of the whole sub-continent. Hapta-Hindu was Avestan, about 2000 BC to 1500 BC; the other connotation may be as late as Sassanian.

The persians and greeks didn't know anything about land that lay beyond punjab.

Both the Persians, due to their occupation and rule of cis-Indus territory, and the Greeks, due to their explorations, knew about land that lay beyond Punjab. There are profuse citations of historical literature and of old geographical tracts, even maps based on those old tracts, which have been reproduced here; there is no longer any excuse for pretended ignorance about Persian and Greek knowledge of conditions well within the sub-continent, at the minimum about the Gangaridae, Prasii and Icthyophagi, arguably at least about the Golden Chersonese. By the time of the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, the eastern coastline all the way until the south-east Asian coastline was known.

Wrong again
The first time the word hindu was used aroud 262 AD when it was mentioned as an area in Naqsh-i-Rustam inscription of Shapur 1, the sassanid ruler, The inscription enlists the area conquered by Sassanid emperor who defeated Kushans. The name hindustan was only applied to sindh not to punjab because sassanids only occupied sindh.A sourcebook of Indian civilization - Google Books

For those scholars who are determined to stay within Wikipedia and its mind-numbing inaccuracies, it is advisable to Google for Hapta-Hindu and see the evident results.

As anyone can do this and get the same results, your particular betisse in defining Hindu as a word of Sassanian origin can be demonstrated to be an egregious error using your own favourite source of information and knowledge. There is a lot of difference between the Avestan Vendidad and the inscriptions of Shapur. About 2,200 years, in fact.

About your statement about the name Hindustan, it is apparent that you have lost the thread (in more senses than one, it is tempting to surmise).

This thread is about India's selection of the word India to describe itself as a nation-state. It is not about the nooks and crannies of the use of the word Hindustan; that is not, in fact, a word under discussion, while the word Hindu is under discussion. The reason for that, clear to all who have kept their mental balance and a sense of direction, is that the word Indikos was derived from the Greek mispronunciation of Hindu; so Hindu is relevant. Hindustan had nothing to do with the Greeks, although it had a lot to do with history otherwise, therefore it is not relevant to this discussion.

I agree there is no diference between people of subcontinent,

If you are willing to wait a month or so, I shall endeavour to get Professor Cavalli-Sforza's personal expression of gratitude to you to have so handsomely validated some 40 years of genetic research. As a preliminary, thank you for condescending to endorse what nearly two generations of population geneticists have been toiling over. Now they know what it is like to be given a medal by Napoleon.

but pakistanis are not south asian, Pakistanis are south Central Asian, culturally, historically, ethnically, geographically, and all follow same religion.
Ofcourse you disagree to all what i have written.

Perfectly sensible and clear and lucid.

No difference between people of the sub-continent, but Pakistanis are not South Asian, they are south Central Asian.

Ah, I see. First History was laid low, now it is the turn of geology and geography, not in that order necessarily.

Continental drift has apparently set in faster and harder than ever before, and after 1947, inspired by Nazaria-e-Pakistan, Pakistan itself has been separating itself from the rest of South Asia.

No doubt soon we will find a Wikipedia entry justifying this. It's such a shame that even that rag-tag and bobtail collection of miscellaneous information baulks at your creative geological forays.

It's also such a shame that some treacherous unpatriotic Pakistanis have blown holes in your arguments before even you had a fair chance to place it for review with your peers, and also in front of the rest of the world which enjoys unrestrained free movement. Their studies, reported in the Journal of American Genetics, taking the Cavalli-Sforza experiments dramatically forwards, shows that there is no difference, in terms of genetics between any on the sub-continent - specifically, between Pakistanis and other south Asians.

Too bad. You should set somebody behind that dastardly lot of scientists - I don't know who is currently favoured for jobs of this sort - who knows, perhaps a Google search through Wikipedia might help?

PS: What is a PureAryan ?

In case Wikipedia has failed you on this point as well, it might be worth your noting that there are Indo-Aryan languages, but no Aryan race, not since the last of the Nazis died.

If you describe yourself as PureAryan, you are laying claim to speaking some branch of the Indo-Aryan branch of languages; it does not, regrettably, offer you any genetic or racial cachet.
 
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