Most of Pakistan isn't a part of the Indian sub-continent

[BringHarmony]

Now I know you are an Indian pretending to be a Canadian.

Ofcourse you will say so because there are only two sets in your universe of discourse. Pakistan-China and India. If one does not agree with you, they must be Indians. Whats really funny is that in this way you define yourself with respect to India. You should call yourself Pakistan Is Not India as the name of your country. PINI.

Most Punjabis in Pakistan have nothing common with Indian Punjabis. Indian Punjabis only make up 3% of Indian population. Punjabis in Pakistan make up about 44% and have intermarried with Kashmiris, Pathans, Sindhis, and Balochis.

And? How does it matter if there are only 3% of Indians are actually Punjabi? No one is calling you an Indian. Except yourself. Either due to your own practical reasons OR due to the way you define yourself: "We are NOT Indians and everyone who disagrees with us is Indian.".

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Punjabi is an ethnicity and you (or anyone else for that matter) accepting it or not won't change this FACT

Punjabi is a linguistic identity, which includes many sub-groups like Hazara (mixed Punjabi-Pukhtoons,) Seraiki (South Punjab,) Pahari (North Punjab.)

Even in Central Punjab, one of the most prevalent groups, Niazis, are Pukhtoon origin Punjabis (Imran Khan is one of them.)

Around Lahore and the surrounding areas, the two main ethnic groups are Arain (Mian, Malik,etc.) and Rajputs (along with Jats, Gujjars, Bhattis, Bajwas) have completely different origins.

And no matter how much you want to deny it the fact remains that Pakistani Punjabis share common ancestry, ethnicity, language, culture etc with Indian Punjabis

We have diverged a long time ago and Sikhs have different tribes, ethnic groups which Punjabi Musulman do not have. Racially, Pakistani Punjabis have mixed with Pukhtoons, Kashmiris, Sindhis, Baloch, and other groups for almost one thousand years, while Indian Sikh Punjabis have not, as most of them have Hindu origins.

A Punjabi marrying Non-Punjabi in Pakistan is an exception (that too limited to large urban centers only), and not a norm

It is very common now a days. Pakistanis are Pakistanis, regardless of linguistic or regional origins. As Pakistani nationalism becomes the norm, you will see more and more marriages like these.

In my family, we have married into almost all provinces in Pakistan. Half of my family are married to Pukhtoons.

 

[BringHarmony]

We have diverged a long time ago and Sikhs have different tribes, ethnic groups which Punjabi Musulman do not have. Racially, Pakistani Punjabis have mixed with Pukhtoons, Kashmiris, Sindhis, Baloch, and other groups for almost one thousand years, while Indian Sikh Punjabis have not, as most of them have Hindu origins.

Don't you folks have same Pagan origin? I highly doubt you are 'Native' Muslims. Unless you claim to be from Turkey or from Middle East.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Punjabi is a linguistic identity,

Punjabi is much more than that .. much much more

Even in Central Punjab, one of the most prevalent groups, Niazis, are Pukhtoon origin Punjabis (Imran Khan is one of them.)

There are no Niazis in central Punjab
Only in Mianwali

 

[BringHarmony]

Punjabi is a linguistic identity, which includes many sub-groups like Hazara (mixed Punjabi-Pukhtoons,) Seraiki (South Punjab,) Pahari (North Punjab.)

Yes, right! Just as Irish is a linguistic identity. You know, its the name of a language! Isn't it?

There are sub-communities in Ireland as well, FYI. And Oh, Ethnic Irish folks also live in UK and Canada as Canadians or British Subjects.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

There are no Niazis in central Punjab
Only in Mianwali

Lahore and Faisalabad (and surrounding villages) have plenty of Niazis, and I should know as my Niazi relatives are from there.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Around Lahore and the surrounding areas, the two main ethnic groups are Arain (Mian, Malik,etc.) and Rajputs (along with Jats, Gujjars, Bhattis, Bajwas) have completely different origins.

I am a Gujjar, bro
And there are many Hindu and Sikh Gujjars too
I don't want to get into those details bhai

Lahore and Faisalabad (and surrounding villages) have plenty of Niazis, and I should know as my Niazi relatives are from there.

Rest assured, no Indigenous Niazis in those areas, bro

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Punjabi is much more than that .. much much more

Yes, but primarily a linguistic and cultural group, not necessarily an ethnic group.

There are plenty of people originating from neighboring provinces since hundreds and thousands of years who are now Punjabis.

Punjabis are the most diverse ethnically than any other province.

We have Butt (Kashmiris,) Niazi (Pukhtoon,) Dasti/Dashti (Baloch,) Agha/Gul (Turk,) Kurd (Kurdish,) Mir/Mashoodi/Ispahani/etc (Iranian,) Punjabized Muhajirs like Sultan Rahi, Syed/Qureshi/Farooqi/Siddiqui/Usmani/Rizvi/Alvi (Qureshi Arabs,) Arain (Taif/Syrian/Iraqi Arabs,) etc.

I am a Gujjar, bro
Tareekh e Gujran was compiled by my maternal great-grandfather

Ma sha Allah. I’m a Rajput, whose family is very active in Rajput Associations in Lahore and Faisalabad.

Gujjars are our brothers. Nice to hear.

 

[M. Sarmad]

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

I am a Pakistani first and foremost
All other identities are secondary

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

I am a Pakistani first and foremost
All other identities are secondary

Nice to hear brother.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Punjabi is an ethnicity and you (or anyone else for that matter) accepting it or not won't change this FACT

And no matter how much you want to deny it the fact remains that Pakistani Punjabis share common ancestry, ethnicity, language, culture etc with Indian Punjabis



A Punjabi marrying Non-Punjabi in Pakistan is an exception (that too limited to large urban centers only), and not a norm



Ethnically, No
Culturally, Yes

I agree with you that Pakistani Punjabis and Indian Punjabis may have had a common ancestor at one point. But we are different to them now.

When Pathans intermarry Pakistani Punjabis, will Pakistani Punjabis have anything in common with Indian Punjabis?

 

[M. Sarmad]

Ma sha Allah. I’m a Rajput, whose family is very active in Rajput Associations in Lahore and Faisalabad.

Gujjars are our brothers. Nice to hear.

That's great,
Hopefully, we will meet someday

I agree with you that Pakistani Punjabis and Indian Punjabis may have had a common ancestor at one point. But we are different to them now.

When Pathans intermarry Pakistani Punjabis, will Pakistani Punjabis have anything in common with Indian Punjabis?

Bhai, we don't have to deny facts to be a Pakistani
Pakistani nationalism is unique
We are proud Pakistanis

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

I agree with you that Pakistani Punjabis and Indian Punjabis may have had a common ancestor at one point. But we are different to them now.

When Pathans intermarry Pakistani Punjabis, will Pakistani Punjabis have anything in common with Indian Punjabis?

Nope, and there has be alot of intermarriage happening between all the ethnicities.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Nope, and there has be alot of intermarriage happening between all the ethnicities.

This is what I noticed as well. Sindhis marrying with Punjabis, Pathans marrying with Balochis.

And ofcourse Kashmiris marrying with Punjabis and Pathans.​

Soon we will have nothing in common with India.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

This is what I noticed as well. Sindhis marrying with Punjabis, Pathans marrying with Balochis.

And ofcourse Kashmiris marrying with Punjabis and Pathans.​

Soon we will have nothing in common with India.

We are seeing the birth of a new people, with a new and unique culture. Look at the rabab a pakhtoon instrument that's used all over pakistan and in mostly all pakistani music. Look at Peshawari chapal, even Pakistani women are starting to wear it, also the pakhtoon hats and men sadar (men chadar) these are some of the changes, influenced by the pakhtoon culture their are other that are influenced by the punjabis, sindhi and balochi.