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During my latest visit to India, I was able to interact with common Muslims in various cities, and asked them on life these days in the Hindu Rashtra. Their comments are being reproduced here so that readers have an insight on the current thoughts of Indian Muslims. These are random people you would meet during your daily interaction, but almost all are from the low-skilled service sector. The comments were offered in mostly Hindi/Urdu, but have been translated and edited for easier reading.

I asked three questions to all:
  • How is their life in the current situation (covid/economy etc)?
  • How have they been treated in India by Hindus?
  • How do they see their future?
Shoaib, Lounge Manager: Life was always hard in India. You had to always have a source to get things done. Now you need a Muslim source, because Hindus are just unwilling to help us.
(When asked about the future) – There is no future for us in India. We can just hope for the best for us from Allah

Mushtaq, Taxi driver: Covid has wiped out our savings and our daily income has dropped. We are just surviving by the grace of Allah.
(When asked if Hindus discriminate against him as customers) – some do…it is so obvious….but what can we do. But Allah will provide.
(When asked about the future) – Doesn’t look good, but Allah will provide.

Khaleel, shopkeeper (lower income clientele) – Business has started to pick up.
(When asked if Hindus avoid his store) – Not sure, I am sure some of them do. After all, they hate us, so not unexpected.
(When asked about the future) – GST has ruined our business. Government has ruined the economy. But there seems to be no end in sight because government will keep playing the Hindu-Muslim divide.

Danish, South Indian restaurant owner (serving mostly lower income clientele) – Municipal officials still expect bribes even though we have no income. We are just surviving. Now you just don’t argue with those who come for bribe, because you are Muslim, they can enforce any rule or law on you.
(When asked if Hindus avoid his restaurant) – Doesn’t think so. Most of his customers are Hindu.
(When asked about the future) – Can’t think of any future when you keep getting harassed for bribes.

Umar, appliance repairman – Business is good because appliances keep breaking.
(When asked if Hindus avoid his business) – All the time. When he goes to their home, he can tell what will happen within the first few seconds. The person will see his name and either invite him in, or tell him to wait outside while they call his company and ask for a different repairman.
(When asked about the future) – Looking to move somewhere in the Middle East. There is no future in India.

Sana, Real Estate agent – Business has been bad. It started with Demonetization and then GST and now Covid.
(When asked if Hindus discriminated against her) – All the time. Most of her clients are Muslim and it is very difficult to find them a residence among Hindus. Hindus from Bengal and South are more accommodating of Muslim renters.
(When asked about the future) – Not sure what to say. I hope this government gets voted out. Things will get worse before they get better.

Arif, electrician – Business is slow, difficult to manage family. Everything is expensive now.
(When asked if Hindus avoid him as a vendor) – Not sure, probably do. He says he gets most of his business from a general contractor, who is a Muslim.
(When asked about the future) – Not sure. Everything is getting expensive day by day. Allah will provide.

Ziauddin, Butcher – Business has been terrible. Difficult to get animals and prices have gone up and customers are unwilling to pay.
(When asked if Hindus avoid him as a vendor) – His clients are all Muslim, so cannot say.
(When asked about the future) – Business is difficult. Many of his friends have left this business. He will keep doing it because he doesn’t know anything else.

When talking to Muslim professionals – people who are working in established companies in management or technical positions, their outlook was less positive and more dire.
  • Everyone said they do not discuss politics in the office, because everyone is pro-BJP and dislikes Muslims. One remarked that anti-Muslim comments are passed knowing fully that Muslims can hear them.
  • Most could not understand why Hindus hate them and believe all the propaganda and lies spewed on WhatsApp against them. They were amazed how smart and educated Hindus in well to do positions believe anything on WhatsApp.
  • No one had any faith in the government or institutions to make things better for Muslims. No one had any faith in the political process.
  • No one thinks that the BJP can be defeated. For most, they had already accepted that the BJP will be the single ruling party for the foreseeable future.
  • No one expected things to get better for Muslims. Everyone was sort of expecting things to get a lot worse before it gets better.
  • Everyone had the realization that they represented the cream of Muslim society to be fortunate enough to land such jobs.
  • Everyone was waiting for an opportunity to migrate from India. “We have no future in this country” was a common phrase I heard again and again.
  • Everyone was expecting further laws to be passed to harass Muslims.
  • Everyone spoke glowingly of the following – Bengalis, Sikhs, Tamils and Malayalis – that these were the only people who had not been corrupted by the scourge of Hindutva.
The above, is of course, not meant to be representative of the entire Muslim community, but provides a good insight in the current mood of the community - one of despair and little hope for the future.


So basically India now a day behaving like any normal Muslim majority country.
Is this the point of above article?
 
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NIce juice story but can we get the source or just a Fantasy "drama and story"?

Your whole nation is full of drama, fantasy, and living with old age mindset. People from your country have exposed your so-called shining India BS. Even they are laughing at your Government policies, fake victories, fake bravdo, etc esp under the Govt of Bachoodkari Janta Party. Ask Sikhs Muslims Christian including Hindus recently migrated from India to US/Canada. Your Modi G along with BJP Military wing aka Indian Army and Indian media did a great job I must say...
 
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I have plenty of Muslim friends in India whose families are doing exceptionally well. I do not know any Muslim business that is ignored or avoided just because it is Muslim owned. Usually I do not realize the difference between Hindu/Muslim businesses other than sometimes they have bearded staff wearing the skull cap, or Islamic teachings on the walls but these do not put off the majority of my friends. I always liked to eat Biryani in Muslim restaurants because they tend to be better at it. Around different parts of India things are bound to be different but every Indian member can attest that it is nowhere near as bad as the article makes it sound like. Yes, there are bound to be religious tension based on our history alone but that has always been the case and education/secularism is the only way out.
 
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Your whole nation is full of drama, fantasy, and living with old age mindset. People from your country have exposed your so-called shining India BS. Even they are laughing at your Government policies, fake victories, fake bravdo, etc esp under the Govt of Bachoodkari Janta Party. Ask Sikhs Muslims Christian including Hindus recently migrated from India to US/Canada. Your Modi G along with BJP Military wing aka Indian Army and Indian media did a great job for exposing your country lol.

means, I was right! it is a fancy story as like many .. Thank you
 
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why dont indian muslims overseas protest or do rallies against this oppression.
they need a pressure group overseas that can try to move strings from there.
see how a farmer protest forces Canadian PM to raise voice in their favor however all the cow vigilante cases inter religion affair killings, riots and abuse of basic human rights but no indian muslim voice outside.

Indian Muslims make up a tiny fraction of the Indian diaspora around the world. Your point however is correct, that they should be more aggressive, and there are signs of that, at least in the US.
 
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It's based on his visit, why can't you accept reality?

300 Million angry Muslims doesn't bode well for India. Fight or flight and it seems only fight is the option left for the Muslims. Pakistan, China and Bangladesh can expedite the outcome.

Have you been to Pakistan?
Yes they are opressed but I don't believe they will stand up and fight for themselves.

Sad but true.
 
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Your whole nation is full of drama, fantasy, and living with old age mindset. People from your country have exposed your so-called shining India BS. Even they are laughing at your Government policies, fake victories, fake bravdo, etc esp under the Govt of Bachoodkari Janta Party. Ask Sikhs Muslims Christian including Hindus recently migrated from India to US/Canada. Your Modi G along with BJP Military wing aka Indian Army and Indian media did a great job for exposing your country lol.

Remember when Bakhts were getting arrested in Gulf countries?

Habibis should have let these vermin carry on and secretly pick them up one by one. Less remittance to India and cleaner society for Gulf habibis.
 
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re: OP. We have been here before folks. Hindutva revealed its uncivilised nature one too many times in the 20th century also, hence the birth of Pakistan became inevitable.

Part of me would insist that Indian Muslims fight tooth and nail to realign and redirect the nation of India to preserve their vast legacy in that country. India is not a Hindu rashtra at all. Muslims built Hindustan. Muslims built the secular republic. They should stay and fight so that they honour and preserve their legacy. Every Pakistani in this room shares the Mughal heritage of the subcontinent, hence the interest. How dare Hindus rewrite history and delete that which our ancestors built.

Having said that, if faced with a slow genocide and ongoing dalitisation (which is worse than genocide), a decision needs to be made soon and I wouldn't criticise any Indian muslim who flees simply to protect his children from the mobs.

One last thing. Several individuals questioned said it's up to Allah (swt) now - you have to help yourself first and foremost, then fate will play its hand. Such words show how desperate it now is.

Thanks for sharing this work.
 
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JINNAH WAS RIGHT

say it again

JINNAH WAS RIGHT

the time to gloat is over (why gloat? For decades of Indian Muslims telling us partition was a mistake)

Now we need to protect Hundreds of millions of Indian Muslims


India is a communal shithole and it won't get better


Underneath all Indian minorities understand this, Indians may be surprised at the recent Sikh outbursts but not me




Indian Muslims need areas of majority
So they are surrounded by Indian Muslims atleast in the locality
So they can defend themselves in numbers
Create a local Muslim economy which relies on other Muslims ONLY

ONLY buy from Muslims
ONLY deal with Muslims
Vote for a Muslim party regardless of outcome unless their is outright support from the Hindu politician


India was a mistake
It is your ENEMY, accept Karo
You need to worry about your community not a hindutva extremist India
This is where PAKISTAN,China, ISI and Indian minorities can come together



The enemy is the hindutva and all their followers
 
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During my latest visit to India, I was able to interact with common Muslims in various cities, and asked them on life these days in the Hindu Rashtra. Their comments are being reproduced here so that readers have an insight on the current thoughts of Indian Muslims. These are random people you would meet during your daily interaction, but almost all are from the low-skilled service sector. The comments were offered in mostly Hindi/Urdu, but have been translated and edited for easier reading.

I asked three questions to all:
  • How is their life in the current situation (covid/economy etc)?
  • How have they been treated in India by Hindus?
  • How do they see their future?
Shoaib, Lounge Manager: Life was always hard in India. You had to always have a source to get things done. Now you need a Muslim source, because Hindus are just unwilling to help us.
(When asked about the future) – There is no future for us in India. We can just hope for the best for us from Allah

Mushtaq, Taxi driver: Covid has wiped out our savings and our daily income has dropped. We are just surviving by the grace of Allah.
(When asked if Hindus discriminate against him as customers) – some do…it is so obvious….but what can we do. But Allah will provide.
(When asked about the future) – Doesn’t look good, but Allah will provide.

Khaleel, shopkeeper (lower income clientele) – Business has started to pick up.
(When asked if Hindus avoid his store) – Not sure, I am sure some of them do. After all, they hate us, so not unexpected.
(When asked about the future) – GST has ruined our business. Government has ruined the economy. But there seems to be no end in sight because government will keep playing the Hindu-Muslim divide.

Danish, South Indian restaurant owner (serving mostly lower income clientele) – Municipal officials still expect bribes even though we have no income. We are just surviving. Now you just don’t argue with those who come for bribe, because you are Muslim, they can enforce any rule or law on you.
(When asked if Hindus avoid his restaurant) – Doesn’t think so. Most of his customers are Hindu.
(When asked about the future) – Can’t think of any future when you keep getting harassed for bribes.

Umar, appliance repairman – Business is good because appliances keep breaking.
(When asked if Hindus avoid his business) – All the time. When he goes to their home, he can tell what will happen within the first few seconds. The person will see his name and either invite him in, or tell him to wait outside while they call his company and ask for a different repairman.
(When asked about the future) – Looking to move somewhere in the Middle East. There is no future in India.

Sana, Real Estate agent – Business has been bad. It started with Demonetization and then GST and now Covid.
(When asked if Hindus discriminated against her) – All the time. Most of her clients are Muslim and it is very difficult to find them a residence among Hindus. Hindus from Bengal and South are more accommodating of Muslim renters.
(When asked about the future) – Not sure what to say. I hope this government gets voted out. Things will get worse before they get better.

Arif, electrician – Business is slow, difficult to manage family. Everything is expensive now.
(When asked if Hindus avoid him as a vendor) – Not sure, probably do. He says he gets most of his business from a general contractor, who is a Muslim.
(When asked about the future) – Not sure. Everything is getting expensive day by day. Allah will provide.

Ziauddin, Butcher – Business has been terrible. Difficult to get animals and prices have gone up and customers are unwilling to pay.
(When asked if Hindus avoid him as a vendor) – His clients are all Muslim, so cannot say.
(When asked about the future) – Business is difficult. Many of his friends have left this business. He will keep doing it because he doesn’t know anything else.

When talking to Muslim professionals – people who are working in established companies in management or technical positions, their outlook was less positive and more dire.
  • Everyone said they do not discuss politics in the office, because everyone is pro-BJP and dislikes Muslims. One remarked that anti-Muslim comments are passed knowing fully that Muslims can hear them.
  • Most could not understand why Hindus hate them and believe all the propaganda and lies spewed on WhatsApp against them. They were amazed how smart and educated Hindus in well to do positions believe anything on WhatsApp.
  • No one had any faith in the government or institutions to make things better for Muslims. No one had any faith in the political process.
  • No one thinks that the BJP can be defeated. For most, they had already accepted that the BJP will be the single ruling party for the foreseeable future.
  • No one expected things to get better for Muslims. Everyone was sort of expecting things to get a lot worse before it gets better.
  • Everyone had the realization that they represented the cream of Muslim society to be fortunate enough to land such jobs.
  • Everyone was waiting for an opportunity to migrate from India. “We have no future in this country” was a common phrase I heard again and again.
  • Everyone was expecting further laws to be passed to harass Muslims.
  • Everyone spoke glowingly of the following – Bengalis, Sikhs, Tamils and Malayalis – that these were the only people who had not been corrupted by the scourge of Hindutva.
The above, is of course, not meant to be representative of the entire Muslim community, but provides a good insight in the current mood of the community - one of despair and little hope for the future.

Muslims in cow belt will have to fight there is no option. Some tips for muslims in non-cow belt to strengthen themselves :
a) Speak local languages. In south bengal that simple act will eliminate up to 90 percent hostility of whatever is there. Urdu is not the heritage of all muslims in india - why impose it on themselves and create hostility with their neighbors ?
b) wear more secular dress.

Islam as a religion is very attractive to lot of indians. But packaging it in muslim culture is not so attractive. Islam is not a constume or a language so why to tie it to one and fight those unnecesary battles ?
 
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They get what they deserve! no sympathy from me, sorry!

I rather wish Pakistan would grant citizenship to and relocate all the Rohingyas!
 
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NIce juice story but can we get the source or just a Fantasy "drama and story"?

He literally said it's his own personal survey you r*tard.
During my latest visit to India, I was able to interact with common Muslims in various cities, and asked them on life these days in the Hindu Rashtra. Their comments are being reproduced here so that readers have an insight on the current thoughts of Indian Muslims. These are random people you would meet during your daily interaction, but almost all are from the low-skilled service sector. The comments were offered in mostly Hindi/Urdu, but have been translated and edited for easier reading.

I asked three questions to all:
  • How is their life in the current situation (covid/economy etc)?
  • How have they been treated in India by Hindus?
  • How do they see their future?
Shoaib, Lounge Manager: Life was always hard in India. You had to always have a source to get things done. Now you need a Muslim source, because Hindus are just unwilling to help us.
(When asked about the future) – There is no future for us in India. We can just hope for the best for us from Allah

Mushtaq, Taxi driver: Covid has wiped out our savings and our daily income has dropped. We are just surviving by the grace of Allah.
(When asked if Hindus discriminate against him as customers) – some do…it is so obvious….but what can we do. But Allah will provide.
(When asked about the future) – Doesn’t look good, but Allah will provide.

Khaleel, shopkeeper (lower income clientele) – Business has started to pick up.
(When asked if Hindus avoid his store) – Not sure, I am sure some of them do. After all, they hate us, so not unexpected.
(When asked about the future) – GST has ruined our business. Government has ruined the economy. But there seems to be no end in sight because government will keep playing the Hindu-Muslim divide.

Danish, South Indian restaurant owner (serving mostly lower income clientele) – Municipal officials still expect bribes even though we have no income. We are just surviving. Now you just don’t argue with those who come for bribe, because you are Muslim, they can enforce any rule or law on you.
(When asked if Hindus avoid his restaurant) – Doesn’t think so. Most of his customers are Hindu.
(When asked about the future) – Can’t think of any future when you keep getting harassed for bribes.

Umar, appliance repairman – Business is good because appliances keep breaking.
(When asked if Hindus avoid his business) – All the time. When he goes to their home, he can tell what will happen within the first few seconds. The person will see his name and either invite him in, or tell him to wait outside while they call his company and ask for a different repairman.
(When asked about the future) – Looking to move somewhere in the Middle East. There is no future in India.

Sana, Real Estate agent – Business has been bad. It started with Demonetization and then GST and now Covid.
(When asked if Hindus discriminated against her) – All the time. Most of her clients are Muslim and it is very difficult to find them a residence among Hindus. Hindus from Bengal and South are more accommodating of Muslim renters.
(When asked about the future) – Not sure what to say. I hope this government gets voted out. Things will get worse before they get better.

Arif, electrician – Business is slow, difficult to manage family. Everything is expensive now.
(When asked if Hindus avoid him as a vendor) – Not sure, probably do. He says he gets most of his business from a general contractor, who is a Muslim.
(When asked about the future) – Not sure. Everything is getting expensive day by day. Allah will provide.

Ziauddin, Butcher – Business has been terrible. Difficult to get animals and prices have gone up and customers are unwilling to pay.
(When asked if Hindus avoid him as a vendor) – His clients are all Muslim, so cannot say.
(When asked about the future) – Business is difficult. Many of his friends have left this business. He will keep doing it because he doesn’t know anything else.

When talking to Muslim professionals – people who are working in established companies in management or technical positions, their outlook was less positive and more dire.
  • Everyone said they do not discuss politics in the office, because everyone is pro-BJP and dislikes Muslims. One remarked that anti-Muslim comments are passed knowing fully that Muslims can hear them.
  • Most could not understand why Hindus hate them and believe all the propaganda and lies spewed on WhatsApp against them. They were amazed how smart and educated Hindus in well to do positions believe anything on WhatsApp.
  • No one had any faith in the government or institutions to make things better for Muslims. No one had any faith in the political process.
  • No one thinks that the BJP can be defeated. For most, they had already accepted that the BJP will be the single ruling party for the foreseeable future.
  • No one expected things to get better for Muslims. Everyone was sort of expecting things to get a lot worse before it gets better.
  • Everyone had the realization that they represented the cream of Muslim society to be fortunate enough to land such jobs.
  • Everyone was waiting for an opportunity to migrate from India. “We have no future in this country” was a common phrase I heard again and again.
  • Everyone was expecting further laws to be passed to harass Muslims.
  • Everyone spoke glowingly of the following – Bengalis, Sikhs, Tamils and Malayalis – that these were the only people who had not been corrupted by the scourge of Hindutva.
The above, is of course, not meant to be representative of the entire Muslim community, but provides a good insight in the current mood of the community - one of despair and little hope for the future.

I'm noticing a common theme of defeatism where people just try to pray things away (e.g by saying that Allah will provide). Action beyond this will be required, they must be instruments for Allah's will.
 
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I have plenty of Muslim friends in India whose families are doing exceptionally well. I do not know any Muslim business that is ignored or avoided just because it is Muslim owned. Usually I do not realize the difference between Hindu/Muslim businesses other than sometimes they have bearded staff wearing the skull cap, or Islamic teachings on the walls but these do not put off the majority of my friends. I always liked to eat Biryani in Muslim restaurants because they tend to be better at it. Around different parts of India things are bound to be different but every Indian member can attest that it is nowhere near as bad as the article makes it sound like. Yes, there are bound to be religious tension based on our history alone but that has always been the case and education/secularism is the only way out.

Whilst your last comment is indeed noble, it is rather futile whilst BJP continues to draw vast amounts of support from Indian society. They facilitate some pretty negative attitudes as well as actions, and their popularity is a clear reflection of how most Indians perceive things. Communal tension is prevalent enough for it to clearly be a problem (just take a look at Kashmir, the Gujarat riots, the riots in UP earlier this year, the overrepresentation of Muslim Indians among the impoverished and underrepresentation among the powerful, etc).

Rehmat Ali was right, Muslims need multiple states carved out of what was British India. Coexistence is good, but it can only work in so many ways and the current scheme just isn't one of them.
 
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