Military Simulation - The Indo-Pak conflict - A hyperbole
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Because SR occurred in the past, we have some useful insights that SHOULD be included in any simulation.
- Post SR, PAF imposed a no-fly zone on IAF. Given this, it is impossible for any drones or AEWACS to be flying near the border. I don't recall the exact length of this NFZ.
- Given the extremely high level of alert, it is again fiction that a radar site going down would go unnoticed.
- PAF has always prepared for an asymmetrical war. It would not have been caught offguard given IAF practiced and boasted about bringing in fighters from all over India. What these preparations are, I don't know. But we could simulate them by giving a very high impact to PAF's EW component. Also, why is there only 1 Saab in the air, when PAF has multiple AEWACs and EW platforms. Also, the AEWACs should be treated as an EW asset that disrupts enemy formations.
- If India really wanted to escalate, it would make approaches from both north and south in the Arabian sea with Migs flying in from their aircraft carrier. This should be included. That would truly spread PAF thin and it would need to pick and choose which battles to fight.
- Also, given the main offensive weapon was F-16 Block 52s, the Indians would plan for a decapitation strike against Shahbaz.
- On 28 Feb, 2020, Pakistan's only defence against a Brahmos saturation strike was nuclear weapons. The only reason why India would move ahead would be a weak leadership that is too cowardly to deploy the nukes. The Indians might be boastful, but they are certainly not stupid. Nuclear strikes on Mumbai, Bangalore, Kolkata would mean all major IT companies taking out their business from India. It also means a massive disruption in global business. This is something that the bootlickers on both sides: Bajwa, Khan, and the biggest c*nt in the world Modi, all know very well. Both countries treat America as 'My Baap' and would never do anything to hurt American interests. And certainly not 'Trump Tower' when Trump was actually president.
1. Agreed - but I would be surprised if the NFZ would be 50-100NM into India
2. I'll reiterate - I am forcing "stupid decisions and severe human error". for e.g in 71, as @PanzerKiel , 4 squadrons for the most part sat out the war, certain PAF officers actively sabotaged offensive suggestions with strike recalled at the last minute.
3. The assumption is that the focus is all on the northern sector - PAF may have been expecting a strike on its airbases in the north or front line targets only
4. 28th Feb 2019 (It has been over 2.4 years now! It is difficult to predict politics - which is why "2" applies - we are here to check systems and tactics , less concerned about painting the actual caricatures of leaders.
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28th February 2019- 4:00AM
As the tail end of the Indian strikes retreated - and additional PAF interceptors were airborne; the Pakistani National Security Council was finally gathered in person in a quickly secured location. A key minister who went AWOL wasnt noticed, his input generally seen as either pessimistic or nearly irrelevant.
Consternation was through the roof, the NSA had predicted an India response but it wasnt expected at this level nor were internal threats expected to cause such issues. Why were there delays in getting key intelligence of Brahmos movements? The Indian response time was faster than expected - there were no dithering or delays.
As the accusations and counter accusations flew - the PM who was already in a form of shell shock and mostly nodding his head lost in thought was interrupted by an irate VCAS and Intel chief - "Sir, we need to strike back before the Indians lock down their airspace again" - no response.. "Sir" - The COAS without his usual baritone start " Sir, my recommendation is to do a limited strike back at Indian targets and then get the Americans involved - I have sent the message to CENTCOM already" - This seemed to shake the PM from his trance as the NSA questioned the COAS "Why would you do that? we have options to activate now and this would compromise them!" - The COAS, not used to being questioned this harshly even by the prime minister went silent for a moment as the PM finally spoke "Please - what are the options?"
28th February - 5:00AM
Indian positions along the LoC were still firing - heavy mortars with the heavy artillery going silent for a while as the Pakistan Army moved up its assets to start hitting back. Bakhtar Shikan teams , recoilless rifles were the first line along with Howitzers opening up from the rear. It was time for Indian troops to hear the steel rain.
But from the greenery near Jhelum a A-100 MBRL emerged - its target were the Indian artillery positions and a Div FOB.
Another A-100 quietly emerged near Narowal from an embankment - but it wasn't just aiming for the LoC, Pathankot AB was just at the edge of its striking range, but more importantly - the Indians had a depot there with more than a quarter of a mechanized division parked there. The MLRSs would fire a mix of Anti-Armor and Anti-Personnel mines. Pathankot had its HAS, but that did not mean taxiways and barracks all around could not be walking minefields.
But the Pakistani response wasnt done here - the message to be delivered was clear to India. This is total war from this point onwards and the ladder is very steep. If India does not stop from what this will bring, then every weapon type will be on the table and the subcontinent a desolate wasteland in most places where life once thrived.
Part of this plan to demonstrate reach emerged near a bunch of inconspicuous warehouses close to PAF Bholari , right where the N-5 motorway crosses over Karachi Canal. 2 Shaheen-IIA TEL's emerged - capable of targeting all of mainland India
Their target was less relevant to the current hot zone and more as a symbolic one: Pulgaon Central Ammunition Depot was still the largest ammunition depot in the region, having gained notoriety after a string of accidents recently - the Indian army was looking to close it down and spread the share to more modern facilities. But as the Shaheen-IIA's TEL erected the missiles the current calm at Pulgaon was soon to be shattered.
Further north, near the Changa Manga national forest and at the crossing of Changa Manga Chumian road two more shelters that from the top were camouflaged and covered with Foliage opened up with Shaheen-1 systems trundling out - their target was Bakshi ka Talab Airbase with its Su-30MKIs parked in open air shelters. The IAF had decided that these systems were simply too out of reach of the Pakistan air force and could safely keep them out here.
Finally, near Gujrawala and Sargodha - Babur systems rolled out, their targets were Indian radar installations to give three times the shock to the ADGE that Pakistan received and SAM systems near Halwara and Ambala to soften them up for strikes.
Indian CAPs were being replaced when the first inkling on their side came as two firefinding radars suddenly gave alerts and the scopes on the nearest AD radars saw the clutter of MBRL launches guided by a quietly loitering UAV.
As the A-100 rockets neared the Pathankot area, The Hatf launchers near Gujranwala opened up and the Pakistani ripose was in full swing.
28th February 2019- 4:00AM
As the tail end of the Indian strikes retreated - and additional PAF interceptors were airborne; the Pakistani National Security Council was finally gathered in person in a quickly secured location. A key minister who went AWOL wasnt noticed, his input generally seen as either pessimistic or nearly irrelevant.
Consternation was through the roof, the NSA had predicted an India response but it wasnt expected at this level nor were internal threats expected to cause such issues. Why were there delays in getting key intelligence of Brahmos movements? The Indian response time was faster than expected - there were no dithering or delays.
As the accusations and counter accusations flew - the PM who was already in a form of shell shock and mostly nodding his head lost in thought was interrupted by an irate VCAS and Intel chief - "Sir, we need to strike back before the Indians lock down their airspace again" - no response.. "Sir" - The COAS without his usual baritone start " Sir, my recommendation is to do a limited strike back at Indian targets and then get the Americans involved - I have sent the message to CENTCOM already" - This seemed to shake the PM from his trance as the NSA questioned the COAS "Why would you do that? we have options to activate now and this would compromise them!" - The COAS, not used to being questioned this harshly even by the prime minister went silent for a moment as the PM finally spoke "Please - what are the options?"
28th February - 5:00AM
Indian positions along the LoC were still firing - heavy mortars with the heavy artillery going silent for a while as the Pakistan Army moved up its assets to start hitting back. Bakhtar Shikan teams , recoilless rifles were the first line along with Howitzers opening up from the rear. It was time for Indian troops to hear the steel rain.
But from the greenery near Jhelum a A-100 MBRL emerged - its target were the Indian artillery positions and a Div FOB.
Another A-100 quietly emerged near Narowal from an embankment - but it wasn't just aiming for the LoC, Pathankot AB was just at the edge of its striking range, but more importantly - the Indians had a depot there with more than a quarter of a mechanized division parked there. The MLRSs would fire a mix of Anti-Armor and Anti-Personnel mines. Pathankot had its HAS, but that did not mean taxiways and barracks all around could not be walking minefields.
But the Pakistani response wasnt done here - the message to be delivered was clear to India. This is total war from this point onwards and the ladder is very steep. If India does not stop from what this will bring, then every weapon type will be on the table and the subcontinent a desolate wasteland in most places where life once thrived.
Part of this plan to demonstrate reach emerged near a bunch of inconspicuous warehouses close to PAF Bholari , right where the N-5 motorway crosses over Karachi Canal. 2 Shaheen-IIA TEL's emerged - capable of targeting all of mainland India
Their target was less relevant to the current hot zone and more as a symbolic one: Pulgaon Central Ammunition Depot was still the largest ammunition depot in the region, having gained notoriety after a string of accidents recently - the Indian army was looking to close it down and spread the share to more modern facilities. But as the Shaheen-IIA's TEL erected the missiles the current calm at Pulgaon was soon to be shattered.
Further north, near the Changa Manga national forest and at the crossing of Changa Manga Chumian road two more shelters that from the top were camouflaged and covered with Foliage opened up with Shaheen-1 systems trundling out - their target was Bakshi ka Talab Airbase with its Su-30MKIs parked in open air shelters. The IAF had decided that these systems were simply too out of reach of the Pakistan air force and could safely keep them out here.
Finally, near Gujrawala and Sargodha - Babur systems rolled out, their targets were Indian radar installations to give three times the shock to the ADGE that Pakistan received and SAM systems near Halwara and Ambala to soften them up for strikes.
Indian CAPs were being replaced when the first inkling on their side came as two firefinding radars suddenly gave alerts and the scopes on the nearest AD radars saw the clutter of MBRL launches guided by a quietly loitering UAV.
As the A-100 rockets neared the Pathankot area, The Hatf launchers near Gujranwala opened up and the Pakistani ripose was in full swing.
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As this was happening , a F-16 CAP engaged Indian aircraft from the Pakistani side of the border as Muezzins below prepared to give their call to prayer.
2 MKIs of 221 sq who had just come into replace the previous CAP did their best to be Amraam Dodgers, but the AIM-120C isn't forgiving. Meanwhile, Babur missiles whizzed past the border near Narowal.
Around the same time, a Shaheen-1A following a very flat trajectory was about to smack into an Indian Radar installation close to the border.
Some 15 minutes before this, the next Phase of the Pakistani riposte was put into full swing. JF-17s from Skardu would hit the Jammu & Kashmir Light rifles HQ while composite flights of Mirages and F-16s would strike Ambala and Halwara. Escorted by JF-17s on SEAD tasks.
To the Indians, it was clear what was happening and their leadership had just learnt to smile after a day when those were interrupted by panicked Air Defense and intelligence warnings. Pakistani ballistic missiles were suspected to be moving and aircraft were spotted in the air. Was it a limited nuclear strike to cripple Indian decision making following by air raids at Indian air bases? Was it a full blown nuclear strike? was it conventional?
As the Indian PM stammered amid the multiple voices with their NSA sweating, he tried to reach for the hotline but a Swamy screamed No and suggested full retaliation. He was opposed by the chiefs for the first time saying they don't have information but suggesting bringing Indian Nuclear systems to full readiness. The Prime minister and his political advisors only wanted to win the election to rule India for another 5 years and maybe ask for a special third term, but it seemed their gamble would leave them nothing but gamma radiation to try and get votes from. As these thoughts flew into his head - the IAF Chief screamed into the phone "What do you mean our picture is half gone? Even the Elta?"
Elsewhere, the Shaheen-IIA RVs hit Bakshi ka Talab and the Pulgaon Ammo depot. The large shelter collapsed under the 1000 pound kinetic warhead and knocking out 5 MKIs underneath it.
At Pulgaon, explosions after explosions rocked the nearby civilian population as the 10m CEP for IRBM was more than enough to cause piles of missile and AAA ammunition to cook off.
The JF-17s from Skardu flew NoE over the harsh karokaram terrain and emerged right behind any Indian Air Defense zones - their REKs pummeling into barracks, offices and radio communication centers of the JAK HQ, where a certain visiting Indian Lieutenant General, A major general and CO of two FoBs along with their ADCs were not to emerge from the camouflaged building with the red and white paths.
As the JF-17s turned back however, two 51sq Bisons took chase with R-77s which made their mark as the JF-17s slammed into the mountains in flames.
Down south, PAF fighter sweeps and escorts for the Halwara and Ambala strikes were directed to Indian interceptors by a Saab-2000 flight and a ZDK providing backup. A Mig-21 had barely rotated off the runway from Suratgarh when the AMRAAM struck him. However, him and his wingman did manage to get 4 R-77s off the rail which found their mark and a F-16 was blown to bits.
The Vipers continued to engage, plowing through defending MKIs using AMRAAMS with no losses - up north, a F-16 flight chased a Phalcon and a Il-78 down - tit for tat but leaving it with barely enough fumes to recover at Lahore.
The Halwara and Ambala strike faced SAMs further into India, its SEAD escort having gone Winchester giving it a door in and the Falcon 20 EW escort pulling back. 2 further mirages were lost but the H-4 strikes went through. It was later surmised that a Raad CM strike might have prevented the losses but the engineers were unable to load targeting data in time.
As the First H-4 struck the known pilot shelters and ammo dumps at Ambala, along with striking open revetments , F-16 Block-52s released GBU-24s into the door entrances of main hangers. Halwara also saw H-4s and JDAMs - blowing up runway intersections, and knocking the control tower out.
Just as these aircraft turned around, the phone rang in the Pakistani PM's office - it was the American secretary of state - he was put on hold as the PM was currently talking to a certain Saudi Crown prince and had to call back a Turkish president. Meanwhile, in the Indian PM's office a voice emphasized on the other side "Don't worry about Jaina!, we will take care of them and I will negotiate with Pakistan"
Tally:
INDIAN LOSSES:
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6x 130mm M-46 Catapult Self-Propelled Howitzer [Cargo] A-100, Pakistan Howitzer
6x 40mm/70 Single Bofors [Flycatcher Mk1 FCR] [Cargo]
1x A-50E/I Mainstay - AIM-120 from F-16
18x Ajeya Main Battle Tank [Cargo]
2x Ammo Shelter - Shaheen-IIA
8x BMP-2 Sarath [AT-5 Spandrel A] IFV [Cargo]
11x Building (Barracks) A-100, Babur, JF-17
2x Building (Very Large Leadership Compound) - REK & Babur
10x Building (Watch Tower) - Pakistani Mortars and Bakhtar Shikan teams
1x Il-78MKI Midas - AIM-120 from F-16
3x MiG-21bis UPG Fishbed N [Bison] -- SD-10 , AIM-120
2x MiG-29UPG Fulcrum A -- SD-10
2x Mirage 2000H-5 - AIM-120 from F-16
1x Radar (Master-T) - Babur
3x SA-3b Goa Quad Rail [Cargo] - MAR-1, LD-10
3x SA-7a Grail [9K32 Strela-2] MANPADS [Cargo] - A-100
2x Searcher II UAV - PL-9, SD-10
2x Su-30MKI Flanker H - AIM-120 from F-16
4x Su-30MKI Mk2 Flanker H - AIM-120 from F-16, SD-10
2x Vehicle (Flat Face B [P-19]) [Cargo] - Shaheen-1A
4x Vehicle (Flycatcher Mk1) [Cargo] - Babur
2x Vehicle (Low Blow [SNR-125]) [Cargo] -Babur
1x ELTA M/2080 - Shaheen-1A
Pakistan losses:
1x Burraq [CH-3 Derivative] UAV - Su-30MKI
1x F-16AM Falcon MLU - Mig-21 Bison
1x F-16BM Falcon MLU - Mirage 2000
2x JF-17 Thunder Blk 2 - Mig-21 Bison
1x Mirage 5DR - - Akash Sam
1x Mirage 5F [ROSE II/III] - Barak-8 Sam
1x Mirage IIIO(F/A) [ROSE I]- Barak-8 Sam
End note: The Bison R-77 Combo is more effective at close and launching than Su-30MKis loaded with 6xR-77s
2 MKIs of 221 sq who had just come into replace the previous CAP did their best to be Amraam Dodgers, but the AIM-120C isn't forgiving. Meanwhile, Babur missiles whizzed past the border near Narowal.
Around the same time, a Shaheen-1A following a very flat trajectory was about to smack into an Indian Radar installation close to the border.
Some 15 minutes before this, the next Phase of the Pakistani riposte was put into full swing. JF-17s from Skardu would hit the Jammu & Kashmir Light rifles HQ while composite flights of Mirages and F-16s would strike Ambala and Halwara. Escorted by JF-17s on SEAD tasks.
To the Indians, it was clear what was happening and their leadership had just learnt to smile after a day when those were interrupted by panicked Air Defense and intelligence warnings. Pakistani ballistic missiles were suspected to be moving and aircraft were spotted in the air. Was it a limited nuclear strike to cripple Indian decision making following by air raids at Indian air bases? Was it a full blown nuclear strike? was it conventional?
As the Indian PM stammered amid the multiple voices with their NSA sweating, he tried to reach for the hotline but a Swamy screamed No and suggested full retaliation. He was opposed by the chiefs for the first time saying they don't have information but suggesting bringing Indian Nuclear systems to full readiness. The Prime minister and his political advisors only wanted to win the election to rule India for another 5 years and maybe ask for a special third term, but it seemed their gamble would leave them nothing but gamma radiation to try and get votes from. As these thoughts flew into his head - the IAF Chief screamed into the phone "What do you mean our picture is half gone? Even the Elta?"
Elsewhere, the Shaheen-IIA RVs hit Bakshi ka Talab and the Pulgaon Ammo depot. The large shelter collapsed under the 1000 pound kinetic warhead and knocking out 5 MKIs underneath it.
At Pulgaon, explosions after explosions rocked the nearby civilian population as the 10m CEP for IRBM was more than enough to cause piles of missile and AAA ammunition to cook off.
The JF-17s from Skardu flew NoE over the harsh karokaram terrain and emerged right behind any Indian Air Defense zones - their REKs pummeling into barracks, offices and radio communication centers of the JAK HQ, where a certain visiting Indian Lieutenant General, A major general and CO of two FoBs along with their ADCs were not to emerge from the camouflaged building with the red and white paths.
As the JF-17s turned back however, two 51sq Bisons took chase with R-77s which made their mark as the JF-17s slammed into the mountains in flames.
Down south, PAF fighter sweeps and escorts for the Halwara and Ambala strikes were directed to Indian interceptors by a Saab-2000 flight and a ZDK providing backup. A Mig-21 had barely rotated off the runway from Suratgarh when the AMRAAM struck him. However, him and his wingman did manage to get 4 R-77s off the rail which found their mark and a F-16 was blown to bits.
The Vipers continued to engage, plowing through defending MKIs using AMRAAMS with no losses - up north, a F-16 flight chased a Phalcon and a Il-78 down - tit for tat but leaving it with barely enough fumes to recover at Lahore.
The Halwara and Ambala strike faced SAMs further into India, its SEAD escort having gone Winchester giving it a door in and the Falcon 20 EW escort pulling back. 2 further mirages were lost but the H-4 strikes went through. It was later surmised that a Raad CM strike might have prevented the losses but the engineers were unable to load targeting data in time.
As the First H-4 struck the known pilot shelters and ammo dumps at Ambala, along with striking open revetments , F-16 Block-52s released GBU-24s into the door entrances of main hangers. Halwara also saw H-4s and JDAMs - blowing up runway intersections, and knocking the control tower out.
Just as these aircraft turned around, the phone rang in the Pakistani PM's office - it was the American secretary of state - he was put on hold as the PM was currently talking to a certain Saudi Crown prince and had to call back a Turkish president. Meanwhile, in the Indian PM's office a voice emphasized on the other side "Don't worry about Jaina!, we will take care of them and I will negotiate with Pakistan"
Tally:
INDIAN LOSSES:
-------------------------------
6x 130mm M-46 Catapult Self-Propelled Howitzer [Cargo] A-100, Pakistan Howitzer
6x 40mm/70 Single Bofors [Flycatcher Mk1 FCR] [Cargo]
1x A-50E/I Mainstay - AIM-120 from F-16
18x Ajeya Main Battle Tank [Cargo]
2x Ammo Shelter - Shaheen-IIA
8x BMP-2 Sarath [AT-5 Spandrel A] IFV [Cargo]
11x Building (Barracks) A-100, Babur, JF-17
2x Building (Very Large Leadership Compound) - REK & Babur
10x Building (Watch Tower) - Pakistani Mortars and Bakhtar Shikan teams
1x Il-78MKI Midas - AIM-120 from F-16
3x MiG-21bis UPG Fishbed N [Bison] -- SD-10 , AIM-120
2x MiG-29UPG Fulcrum A -- SD-10
2x Mirage 2000H-5 - AIM-120 from F-16
1x Radar (Master-T) - Babur
3x SA-3b Goa Quad Rail [Cargo] - MAR-1, LD-10
3x SA-7a Grail [9K32 Strela-2] MANPADS [Cargo] - A-100
2x Searcher II UAV - PL-9, SD-10
2x Su-30MKI Flanker H - AIM-120 from F-16
4x Su-30MKI Mk2 Flanker H - AIM-120 from F-16, SD-10
2x Vehicle (Flat Face B [P-19]) [Cargo] - Shaheen-1A
4x Vehicle (Flycatcher Mk1) [Cargo] - Babur
2x Vehicle (Low Blow [SNR-125]) [Cargo] -Babur
1x ELTA M/2080 - Shaheen-1A
Pakistan losses:
1x Burraq [CH-3 Derivative] UAV - Su-30MKI
1x F-16AM Falcon MLU - Mig-21 Bison
1x F-16BM Falcon MLU - Mirage 2000
2x JF-17 Thunder Blk 2 - Mig-21 Bison
1x Mirage 5DR - - Akash Sam
1x Mirage 5F [ROSE II/III] - Barak-8 Sam
1x Mirage IIIO(F/A) [ROSE I]- Barak-8 Sam
End note: The Bison R-77 Combo is more effective at close and launching than Su-30MKis loaded with 6xR-77s
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Malfunctioning sim as it thinks Pakistan will use Ballistic missiles and cruise missile but India will not use any, especially when India has a larger stock of ballistic missiles and cruise missiles than Pakistan.
Also Falcon DA-20 ia completely obsolete now has India has now introduced BNET SDR on entire fleet.
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You need to go back and read each scenario in the thread properly. And on your last point... lol
Please read the first line in what you quoted
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What a garbage
even a child of 15 years old can come up better scenarios with simple interest in arm forces
Pakistan will not stay silent to escalate the situation out of control in first week
Pakistan will neutralise all advancing indian army assets
the writer have no idea of history
GB is going to be offensive against indians just like good old days and they are very patriotic people
PTM is ex fata area minority not GB
Pakistan will go offensive defensive if you know what I mean and utilise full spectrum will surprise indians
They will capture larger part of IOK and Punjab
The writer failed to elaborate on indian fault lines but wrongly used minority Pakistan fault line
Khalistan government will popup straight away in indian Punjab and Eastern states will claim independence
china involvement only going to put pressure on already conflicting border situations
even a child of 15 years old can come up better scenarios with simple interest in arm forces
Pakistan will not stay silent to escalate the situation out of control in first week
Pakistan will neutralise all advancing indian army assets
the writer have no idea of history
GB is going to be offensive against indians just like good old days and they are very patriotic people
PTM is ex fata area minority not GB
Pakistan will go offensive defensive if you know what I mean and utilise full spectrum will surprise indians
They will capture larger part of IOK and Punjab
The writer failed to elaborate on indian fault lines but wrongly used minority Pakistan fault line
Khalistan government will popup straight away in indian Punjab and Eastern states will claim independence
china involvement only going to put pressure on already conflicting border situations
I did something different.
What if Pakistan had HQ-9P on the 26th and found out about the Balakot strike event so went weapons hot?
Assuming the northern side and the HQ-9P replacing the Sihala HQ-2 site. This is the engagement range for the system based on HQ-9B specs.
Now the Indian strike would be tracked intermittently by both standalone and HQ-9 search radars as they crossed behind peaks heading towards Balakot
If the strike was successful and the PAF aircraft were approaching the primary target - a clear ROE would allow the HQ-9P to engage and kill even the diversionary missions by the IAF and bringing down entire flights of MKIs and M2Ks.
And even as PAF interceptors neared, the Balakot strike group could all be engaged as they returned since the other option for them would have to fly into Chinese airspace to get away.
One by One - They would all be taken down.
NOW
What would happen on the 27th if the IAF had the S-400?
This the coverage for the S-400 if it would replace a Sa-3 Goa site at Adampur
This would allow it to engage the ENTIRE PAF strike group including the F-16 fighter sweep at will.
The F-16 flight would still manage shots at the MKIs and M2ks to bring them down but would also be swatted like flies.
Even the Mirage flights returning and the JF-17 strike group will get mauled.
So , what has happened by the introduction of these assets is that aircraft will have to fly much lower so reducing their effective combat radius and loiter time. They will have to carry severe jammers otherwise most of the border airspace on the Indian side and half of Pakistani airspace is hostile for their host countries.
You have then to take into account PAF’s two new assets; CM-401 and REK-3. We would have targeted S-400 if it’d painted our aircrafts. And Mirages wouldn’t have depended on H4.
S-400 from the date of its inclusion into Indian ORBAT, would be at the top of PAF's target list. It would have been neutralized by all means available, if it was seen as a threat on Feb 2019.
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