Military Operation against TTP in N.Waziristan | Updates & Discussions.

[Golden_shine]

USA and NATO had been asking Pakistan to do that for over 2 years now.. Der aaye, durust aaye...

Problem is that they only asked but never helped. Last time Pak Army started operation in Wazirastan , instead of adding more check posts Nato / US started to close down checkposts they had on Afghani side. Then there is no point of operation, it will create huge influx of refuges militants will mix up with them or just simply slip into Aghanistan ( as Mulla Radio is living their already ) and it will create more mess in Pakistani cities.

It cant be a success uncless these militant are caught between a rock and a hard place.

 

[third eye]

Or maybe its just a pressure tactic by GOP to force them inline, though i agree that there is no point in advertising. These people are master of disguise and they will simply blend in local population or move into Afghanistan only to return latter. This posturing is not a solution unless Nawaz grows some balls and order our forces to cross over and strike if the need arises.

There is no pressure at all on TTP.

The only pressure is in Pakistan to do something - anything. TTP is playing its cards openly and has made its current & future intentions crystal clear.

I dont think back in the olden days Mughal or British armies gave so much ' notice' before they actually attacked !

 

[Jungibaaz]

So much publicity and advance notice before launching a ' major offensive" !!

They may as well put out posters locally as well giving out the dates , locations & time lines.

This is not how offensives happen. Unless it is intended to be this way.

It needs to be transparent like this.
You are forgetting the major factors of concern here, one is that the political will is still lacking, and politicians being politicians will make the worst use of it if approached wrongly.

Second is that, when the operation comes, the talibs will now, because peace talks would have long gone and evacuation of civilians commenced.

@Farooq

How many terrorists have been killed so far? Why not evacuate all the civilian population and then bomb all their strongholds?
How big is the support for Taliban among locals of Northern Waziristan?

What are the realistic solutions?

Easier said than done, the aim is to flush them out, large scale bombing or no bombing, the ground offensive is a must.
The thing with bombing is, collateral damage is almost unavoidable, and on our own lands, it should be avoided. Previous operations left a civilian cost, many destroyed homes, bombings runs would flatten the place. The op needs to be conducted with full support of the locals and without angering them. Because when the time comes the army looks to move on, and hand back the security apparatus and governance to locals and FC, they will be the new wall against any further incursion by the taliban.

 

[third eye]

It needs to be transparent like this.
You are forgetting the major factors of concern here, one is that the political will is still lacking, and politicians being politicians will make the worst use of it if approached wrongly.

Second is that, when the operation comes, the talibs will now, because peace talks would have long gone and evacuation of civilians commenced.

Thats just the point

Evidently, the will is not there with the Govt and the PA is standing by to let the Govt burn its hands & its bridges too.

 

[Cheetah786]

Northern part of Waziristan, a mountainous region of northeast Pakistan, bordering Afghanistan and covering 11,585 square kilometres (4,473 sq mi). Miranshah is capital of North Waziristan.

 

[Cheetah786]

The main supporters of these animals are JUI, JI and JUI-S

furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised if the self-mutilating shia Iranians are involved .... it is confirmed they are involved in supporting Baluchistan Liberation Army (BRA)

Even the dumbest fcuk on the planet knows that support and financing for these terrorist comes from GCC . JUI, JI, JUI-S are all followers of wahhabisum and are financed by Dinar be, then write been, e.g.: I have been there before.">Bin Dollar only the staunch supporters of these terrorist continue to blame shia to hide and protect the real Enemy for obvious reasons.

As far as Baluchistan is concerned all of its leadership resides in UAE and other gulf stats, but then again reading and understanding comes from education.

Funny how you are in favor of action against these terrorist but some how you dont think they are the problem.

 

[Ozturk10]

Wouldn't mind if you guys took a couple of these along for combat testing.

On topic, kill the bastards!

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I believe that I can answer that. The problem isn't Karzai or the ANA, it's the NATO and US forces in Afghanistan. The reason why Pakistan has backed off from previous attempts to set up a clear line, the Afghans had started to attack Pakistani positions. Now normally, this wouldn't be that big of a deal, but the Afghans are doing it on purpose. They WANT to start a war with Pakistan, so that they can get NATO and US forces involved against Pakistan. .

the Afghans might have been the initial instigators of Salala post attack. it was clearly deliberate and unprovoked to the point that the post had no means of attacking the ISAAF troops that were well beyond the maximum range of any weapon at Salala post but that happened and the American planners must have had a good reason in their mind and I dont want to dwell on that any longer (if it was not just to teach Pakistan a lesson, a lesson TTP has already taught for 10 years).

@syedali73 , passive defense and fortifications are good to a point but they need manned presence in the vicinity to be effective and cooperation from the other side too. yes if Musharraf was still about he would have gone ahead with it unilaterally. the point was for the benefit of that wise guy who was challenging us to prove that our good intention were not reciprocated by the Afghan/ NATO side. but that is too much to ask now, our forces are sapped by the democracy and judiciary to a point that they cant even respond to the constant attacks by the taliban.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

That's what I would expect to happen, but it hasn't happened yet. Perhaps, PA needs a Swat type operation in NW.



the main supporters of these animals are JUI, JI and JUI-S

furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised if the self-mutilating shia Iranins are involved .... it is confirmed they are involved in supporting Baluchistan Liberation Army (BRA)

whats with this sectarian B.S brother? do you want them to respond with the self exploding dumb fcks that we produce from our MADrassahs?


JUI, JI, and JUI-S are the ideological supporters and producers of the front line troops yes. but the financing, the intricate planning and the stamina to wage a war with a state has much more sinister and deeper roots going beyond the boundaries of Pakistan.
Iran? probable but not possible..

WHY?
its self self defeating and against the principles of self preservation.
HOW?

well Iran and Pakistan are facing the same enemies (BLA , Jundullah) that are operating both sides who abduct and kill FC personnel and Iranian guards and are actually funded and supported by Arabs Brits and Americans (sometimes they admit proudly with a smug)

I know we Pakistanis dont really care about our country if it stays or not but they do and are very well aware of greater Baluchistan scheme where their country is also singled out by the NeoCons as a target for this new country and just to let you know

NeoCons are not self-mutilating shia.. on the contrary they F you silly till you love them and lose your comprehension like average Pakistani has.

 

[Edevelop]

Army is prepared for action: Defence Secretary

ISLAMABAD-
The Secretary Defence Lieutenant General (r) Asif Yasin Malik on Tuesday said that the Pakistan Army is prepared to take action against terrorists wherever needed, a private news channel reported.

Terming national security of utmost significance, Malik said that a heavy contingent of troops is deployed in the North Waziristan tribal regions to counter the militants of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP).

“TTP has hideouts not only in North Waziristan but across the border in Afghanistan as well,” he said, adding that the military is all set to act against terrorists.

Army is prepared for action: Defence Secretary | Pakistan Today

 

[pakdefender]

We should first go after TTP targets inside Afghanistan , stir the pot in there while Karzai is playing hardball with the Americans over BSA

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Wouldn't mind if you guys took a couple of these along for combat testing.

On topic, kill the bastards!

only possible if you guys are footing the exercise bill.. we can barely afford our own operations

We should first go after TTP targets inside Afghanistan , stir the pot in there while Karzai is playing hardball with the Americans over BSA

lol nothing wrong with wishful thinking
can backfire if we have to confront NATO forces. but if they stay clear then it will be a triumph and we can show evidence of Afghan involvement in supporting terrorism not that its not proven already , Americans have themselves exposed the Afghan Intelligence agency dirty work 2 times by snatching the TTP terrorists from them, one of that snatch helped in gathering information to put a Hellfire up the baskside of Hakimullah Mehsood.. the collective father of Jamat Islami and Molana Burqa of red mosque

 

[Menace2Society]

only possible if you guys are footing the exercise bill.. we can barely afford our own operations

lol nothing wrong with wishful thinking
can backfire if we have to confront NATO forces. but if they stay clear then it will be a triumph and we can show evidence of Afghan involvement in supporting terrorism not that its not proven already , Americans have themselves exposed the Afghan Intelligence agency dirty work 2 times by snatching the TTP terrorists from them, one of that snatch helped in gathering information to put a Hellfire up the baskside of Hakimullah Mehsood.. the collective father of Jamat Islami and Molana Burqa of red mosque

No confrontation with NATO is necessary, we need Kunar bombed out of existence and it will be done with NATO's blessing.

 

[saifi wazir]

it would not be a major one if they try to kill innocent ,,, but it will be if they try to kill terrorist ....army should must show a die-hard honesty if they are launching operation else they will act like a barbarians which these innocent tribal would never forget and would never forgive Pakistan army ....

 

[Sugarcane]

it would not be a major one if they try to kill innocent ,,, but it will be if they try to kill terrorist ....army should must show a die-hard honesty if they are launching operation else they will act like a barbarians which these innocent tribal would never forget and would never forgive Pakistan army ....

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