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Media Reports Wrong, Current ICJ Directive Not Legally Binding on Pakistan. No Stay Order.

Pakistan has already told the ICJ they have no jurisdiction on this matter. So feel free to renege on the IWT if you like. Then see what happens. That was brokered by the World Bank and multiple other agencies supported by the United States. You renege on that and the fallout for India will be immense. The international community will not allow India to renege on a treaty that is held up as a standard for the legitimacy of these World Institutions and a textbook example of their efficacy. Stop being childish and grow up. That treaty has withstood multiple wars between India and Pakistan.

We have already started the survey plans for the dams, the treaty was just brokered by third party and that does not mean they would interfere as the issue is bilateral as said by world bank. We are well within our rights to build more dams on all the rivers.
 
We have already started the survey plans for the dams, the treaty was just brokered by third party and that does not mean they would interfere as the issue is bilateral as said by world bank. We are well within our rights to build more dams on all the rivers.

STFU.
 
Wish common sense was not so uncommon
Here is the press release from International Court of Justice
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/168/19420.pdf

More releases would follow on...



Your country has signed the "Declarations Recognizing the Jurisdiction of the Court as Compulsory"



Source: http://www.icj-cij.org/jurisdiction/?p1=5&p2=1&p3=3&code=PK


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Here is the copy of stay order

View attachment 395998


Source: http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/168/19426.pdf

If you have read what ICJ have said in previous cases between India and Pakistan then you would have known that Pakistan can use excuse from previous verdict to hang Indian terrorist.
 
India’s ICJ move is a big swing and miss, and is only fooling the people of India
By Aniqa Sheikh 2 hours ago


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Pakistan is justified in its stance that Jadhav’s case fell within the realm of security, and subsequently, the request for consular access was declined on merits.

If you are an avid reader of Islamic history and have had the privilege of going through Jalalud Deen Suyuti’s famous compilation, Tareekhul Kuhalafa’, you must be well aware of a certain narration. It dates back to the era of the second Caliph Umar ibn al Khatab (ra) and narrates the ordeal of a young widow who used to struggle to make ends meet.

The narration has it that the unfortunate widow, in order to console her hungry and starving children, had devised an appalling strategy of deceit and deception. She used to place a pot full of water and rocks over a stove and as it would boil, she assured her young ones that a tempting meal is in the offing. The children, after having waited for a long time and exhausted due to continuous crying, would fall asleep and the widow would then silently turn the stove off. The Caliph, after observing their misery, came to their help one night and fixed a stipend for them from the state’s treasury.

I recalled this narration yesterday and have dedicated the preceding paragraph to it, simply because I feel our immediate neighbour is undergoing the same situation as the poor widow from the story narrated above.


On May 8, 2017, the Republic of India instituted proceedings against the Islamic Republic of Pakistan at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague. The proceedings, as per the publically available information, call for an intervention in the matter relating to the conviction and sentencing of an Indian spy by the name of Commander Kulbhushan Jadhav. Through the said petition, India has sought to impugn the refusal of Pakistan vis-à-vis the providence of consular access to Jadhav and has pleaded to the ICJ to overturn the conviction/sentence awarded to its citizen on the pretext that it violates well established principles of basic human right laws.

Ever since the announcement of this litigation, the Indian press has been going crazy; it is heaping praises on the incumbent regime and is glorifying the move as stunning. Indian ministers can be seen patting each other’s backs on Twitter and the infamous defence experts sitting in television studios can barely restrain themselves from breaking out into tears of joy.

Cute as it may sound, the fact of the matter is that all these celebrations, cheers and tears are hollow and self-delusional in nature. The patent truth of the subject is that India’s ICJ move is a big swing and miss and I say this as a student of law.

After having deliberated upon the following contentions, I have come to the following conclusions:

1.The ICJ cannot unilaterally assume jurisdiction in a bilateral conflict unless and until both the disputing parties submit to its exclusive jurisdiction (Article 38 Rule 5 of the ICJ Rules). This submission varies from case to case and in this particular matter, it is highly unlikely and almost impossible that Pakistan would submit to the jurisdiction of the ICJ. Thus, the subject suit is destined to fall flat at the very preliminary stages.

2. India and Pakistan have a bilateral Consular Access Agreement which was ratified on May 21, 2008. Clause VI of this agreement explicitly states that in matters relating to security, the request for consular access shall be treated on merits. Thus, Pakistan is justified in its stance that Jadhav’s case fell within the realm of security, and subsequently, the request for consular access was declined on merits. ICJ does not reserve the authority to either revise or interpret the contents of this mutually agreed upon agreement.

3. In paragraph ‘e’ of the declaration made on March, 29, 2017, the government of Pakistan, with regards to the recognition of the jurisdiction of the ICJ, declared that the ICJ shall have no jurisdiction in matters pertaining to the national security of Pakistan. Furthermore, in paragraph ‘b’ of the same declaration, Pakistan asserted that a similar lack of jurisdiction shall prevail over matters which essentially fall within the domestic jurisdiction of Pakistan.

4. Similarly, the Indian declaration passed on September 15, 1974, in paragraph 1(2), declared that the jurisdiction of the ICJ shall extend to disputes involving all nation states other than the ones which are member states of the Commonwealth. Pakistan being a member of the Commonwealth is thus excluded from the list of nations against whom the jurisdiction of the ICJ can be invoked as per India’s request.

5. During the Simla Agreement in 1972, India and Pakistan had agreed that all conflicts arising between the two countries hereafter shall be resolved bilaterally. India has time and again asserted that this agreement bars both parties from approaching an international forum including the ICJ, for the resolution of an outstanding conflict. In 1999, when Pakistan approached the ICJ over the Atlantique incident, India successfully pleaded ICJ’s lack of jurisdiction on the basis of the Simla Agreement (Pakistan v India (2000) ICJ Rep 12). A similar view shall now be taken in this instant matter.

6. It is an established principal of international law that without exhausting available forums of appeal, outright remedies cannot be sought from an international court (Germany vs United States 2001 ICJ 466). Jadhav is yet to exhaust his right to appeal before the Military Court of Appeals and is further entitled to a mercy petition before the president of Pakistan. Without having adopted this available course of law, any exercise undertaken at an international level would be deemed as colourful.

7. India, by virtue of the institution of this case, has opened a flood gate which is destined to flow in its direction. Pakistan is now authorised to excavate the skeletons lying in the Indian closet and parade them at the International Litigation Forums.

In view of the foregoing issue, one is made to conclude that the theatrics played out at the ICJ were frivolous in nature and the television rating points generated were meant for the consumption of the domestic audience.

In order to placate the hyper-nationalist voters of the right-wing, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) led government has decided to boil some water and rocks on a hot stove and are expecting that its war hungry children will soon fall asleep.

However, this move is expected to cast long-lasting effects on India’s foreign policy and that too of an adverse nature. Meanwhile, we can easily say that this diplomatic offensive was a huge swing and a miss.



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Aniqa Sheikh
The author is a lawyer cum strategist who practices at Islamabad High Court and is momentarily perusing her MS in Peace & Conflict Studies at the NDU. She tweets @sheikh_aniqa

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The one I think I never understood was when Satraz Aziz said in December that Pakistan doesn't have any evidence aganist Jadhav, how come Pakistan sentenced him to death just after 3 months after.
 
However, this move is expected to cast long-lasting effects on India’s foreign policy and that too of an adverse nature.


This. Why? Because if India thought Pakistan is bluffing and it turns out that we actually have solid evidence, then even India's allies (sorry Ally, USA) will not be able to defend it especially when it is concerned with issues of terrorism. This will isolate India who will be seen as trying to convince the World that their terrorists should be immune from consequences. That is a ball that many many countries would like to kick around.
 
Haha another blog.
If india fooling its people may it be.y a pakistani journalist or a blogger comes out with a report daily...and moronic pdfers opening new thread daily.
Hearing starts from 15th may wait for two more days thruth will be out..whoever is right will be known.
 
Said it before and will say it again, India has opened a can of worms....Indian meddling and sponsoring of heinous terrorist attacks will be laid bare for all the world to see. I have a feeling more disclosure from KY will be coming forward, the unravelling of networks of terror. The bjp govt has a habit of gusto and bravado, they have set the bar so high over an issue which is normal the world over. The Indian public have been duped into this macho foreign policy now modi has to walk the walk after talking the talk. Indian fell into the trap and a check mate in the making.

Jindals visit is no accident, modi is reaching out to nawaz as he has no option, the military holds all the cards. The ICJ issue is a non starter and only for Indian public consumption as there are no other options. Modi and bjp will have egg on their face, their best chance is the nawaz route and that's what they are doing.
 
This. Why? Because if India thought Pakistan is bluffing and it turns out that we actually have solid evidence, then even India's allies (sorry Ally, USA) will not be able to defend it especially when it is concerned with issues of terrorism. This will isolate India who will be seen as trying to convince the World that their terrorists should be immune from consequences. That is a ball that many many countries would like to kick around.
this will mean we will use this case as a reference in future diplomacy and indian antipakistan compaign.
 
this will mean we will use this case as a reference in future diplomacy and indian antipakistan compaign.


What this means is that we discredit India with its own tactics and then have a free reign in Kashmir. India is about to make sure that nobody listens to its future protestations. Pakistan pre-empted India by approaching the ICJ, which means that we have a tactic of our own and for once are being proactive rather than reactive. We anticipated what India would do and got in there first. Now that was a rare act of forward thinking by this Pakistan Govt. Very clever and a move designed to hang India with its own rope.
 
The one I think I never understood was when Satraz Aziz said in December that Pakistan doesn't have any evidence aganist Jadhav, how come Pakistan sentenced him to death just after 3 months after.

If Sartaj Aziz had given "lack of evidence" statement in december, by April, he had received all information he needed to develop clarity.

Sartaj Aziz said on 14th April, 2017;
Jhadav was tried under the law of the land in a fairly transparent manner and awarded punishment on the basis of credible and specific evidence of his involvement in financing terrorism and carrying out subversive activities in Pakistan.
Reference: https://arynews.tv/en/kulbhushan-sponsored-attacks-hazara-community-pilgrims-coming-iran-aziz/
 
A simple rejoinder to the ICJ would have been sufficient to convey that Pakistan does not accept jurisdiction of ICJ in matters of national security. Pakistan did withdraw from ICJ jurisdiction issues that are security related.

Pakistan sending its lawyers is an acceptance that ICJ has jurisdiction.

This development does not bode well. It seems Sharif wants to release the terrorist. In a few days or weeks you will hear the news that Yadav has been let go. From day one, I had extreme suspicion that some way will be found to get him out.

Pakistan is a weak country and it cant take revenge even from the foreign killers of its own citizen. Nation which subsists on foreign loans, whose leaders come to power through foreign influence and whose leaders amass wealth and business abroad deserve going through such humiliations.
 
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