#MarasiMedia undermines DGISPR: A Threat to Pak State

[VCheng]

Tghis is the dilemna here that we have, there is improvement in this regards but a lot needs to be done . We have become beghariat. We hear azaan 5 times daily yet find no shame in asking for bribe as it is our right, We will hate Pork which equally haram as Bribe, but will gladly take brib, Cuz why not pesa hi toh hai, koi suwar gosht thodi kha rha ho. This needs to change and to some little extent., by very modest margin it has.

Again, let us see how PMIK tries to resolves this dilemma that you have described above. It is his responsibility for now, and for his supporters to unite behind his efforts in this regard.

 

[salarsikander]

Let us what evolves during the rest of this term and how that improves things for the future.

It will change but you will see marginal improvement. But as I mentioned we need overseas pakistanis know-how their exposure, without which on its own i dont see how we can improve much

Again, let us see how PMIK tries to resolves this dilemma that you have described above. It is his responsibility for now

He can only create laws and legislation to prevent that from happening, But if deep down youre outright Haramkhore then I guess religius seminares have failed to increase your moral standards or you just go to masjids for the sake og going and not learning what your religion teaches, Its more of cultural issue than govt issue

 

[VCheng]

It will change but you will see marginal improvement. But as I mentioned we need overseas pakistanis know-how their exposure, without which on its own i dont see how we can improve much

Well, PMIK did try to get Atif Mian on board, but look at what happened after that. It discouraged a lot of other expats for sure. Asad Umar's departure is not going to help either. Look at who he has in his team now!

 

[salarsikander]

It is his responsibility for now, and for his supporters to unite behind his efforts in this regard.

Its collective responsbility of the nation, Oif we dont get rif of such practises then we will only beg forein power to bail us out and then cry foul when they set their own demands

 

[VCheng]

He can only create laws and legislation to prevent that from happening, But if deep down youre outright Haramkhore then I guess religius seminares have failed to increase your moral standards or you just go to masjids for the sake og going and not learning what your religion teaches, Its more of cultural issue than govt issue

Changing a culture is a far more complex issue than merely changing laws. May be the nation will rally behind him and change. May be it will not. We have a few years to see what happens.

Its collective responsbility of the nation, Oif we dont get rif of such practises then we will only beg forein power to bail us out and then cry foul when they set their own demands

As I said above, let us see what he decides about the IMF bailout first.

 

[salarsikander]

Well, PMIK did try to get Atif Mian on board, but look at what happened after that. It discouraged a lot of other expats for sure. Asad Umar's departure is not going to help either. Look at who he has in his team now!

That was too too quick, You must know the religios senitivity and realties surrounding it. What could he have done as kept him as adviser on financial matter than outright making him minister. You play along with the reality rather than out righting bang your head against it

Changing a culture is a far more complex issue than merely changing laws. May be the nation will rally behind him and change. May be it will not. We have a few years to see what happens.

It doesnt hurt to start a chain, does it ? Education is the way to move forward

As I said above, let us see what he decides about the IMF bailout first.

Tough decison will be made, bburned will be borne by current population of previous folly of insincere people in power before. This is hard reality. Now what to do with it is what Pakistan nation decides, either to cry foul, or go on to make an actual difference. But as compared to previous decade people have become aware of their surrounding and realities and their rights are demanding it. Good sign to shed ignorance

 

[VCheng]

That was too too quick, You must know the religios senitivity and realties surrounding it. What could he have done as kept him as adviser on financial matter than outright making him minister. You play along with the reality rather than out righting bang your head against it


It doesnt hurt to start a chain, does it ? Education is the way to move forward


Tough decison will be made, bburned will be borne by current population of previous folly of insincere people in power before. This is hard reality. Now what to do with it is what Pakistan nation decides, either to cry foul, or go on to make an actual difference. But as compared to previous decade people have become aware of their surrounding and realities and their rights are demanding it. Good sign to shed ignorance

As I said, I am perfectly fine to wait and see what unfolds for the nation over the next few years, for better (hopefully) or for worse. I can afford to be both patient and impartial in seeing all the tall claims made meet reality.

 

[salarsikander]

I can afford to be both patient and impartial in seeing all the tall claims made meet reality

I dont remember any politician that has not made any tall order or was 100% truthful, Hell Mr Trump takes the lead i such false claims, Regardless What needs to be looked at is the fact that how this is reflected in the society and how the society is responding to the change. Sitting back and watching the show goes o to exhibit that people are not genuine of their intention to actually contribute something positive to the nation. As uncle sam says Do not ask what you country did for you but what you did for the country

 

[VCheng]

I dont remember any politician that has not made any tall order or was 100% truthful,...........

Please do remember that we were promised IK as PM would be different than routine politicians. If he has made the same tall promises, or has not been truthful, then how is he any better than the politicians he replaced?

And for that matter, weren't we also told that the Army will no longer act beyond its legal mandates under PMIK? What happened there, if this thread is any example?

 

[salarsikander]

Please do remember that we were promised IK as PM would be different than routine politicians. If he has made the same tall promises, or has not been truthful, then how is he any better than the politicians he replaced?

He is not corrupt that is fundamental difference

What happened there, if this thread is any exampl

And has it ?

 

[VCheng]

He is not corrupt that is fundamental difference


And has it ?

That is an admirable, but personal attribute. The nation will require actual deliverable results as he promised. And he promised a lot.

 

[salarsikander]

That is an admirable, but personal attribute. The nation will require actual deliverable results as he promised. And he promised a lot.

Every politician does that as I mentioned earlier, Plus looking at it logically Things take time. The decline of HDI etc and creeping corruption that has reeked in the past 30 years or so will take time. Even if he able to deliver 20% of what he states, things will be way much better. We really need to focus on Human capital development

 

[VCheng]

Every politician does that as I mentioned earlier, Plus looking at it logically Things take time. The decline of HDI etc and creeping corruption that has reeked in the past 30 years or so will take time. Even if he able to deliver 20% of what he states, things will be way much better. We really need to focus on Human capital development

Of course. Calling PMIK a politician and justifying his shortcomings in office runs the risk of him being just another face in the long line of sorry losers in Pakistan's history, not the messiah he was hyped up as (including here on PDF). "Things take time" and "we were left a disaster by the previous government" have been repeated so many times in Pakistan's history it is beginning to be a joke, frankly.

That is why I have always advocated giving him the complete term has in office to see what he is able to deliver.

 

[salarsikander]

Of course. Calling PMIK a politician and justifying his shortcomings in office runs the risk of him being just another face in the long line of sorry losers in Pakistan's history, not the messiah he was hyped up as (including here on PDF). "Things take time" and "we were left a disaster by the previous government" have been repeated so many times in Pakistan's history it is beginning to be a joke, frankly.

That is why I have always advocated giving him the complete term has in office to see what he is able to deliver.

He will be given the complete term. If someone who is has seen the history of politics in Pakistan then he must know the challenges faced by current Administration. Making him messiah in PDF lol does not make him mEssiah unless he goes on to deliver, He has categorically stated in his frist speech as PM that rough times are head, His special Plea to Crown prince of Sudia of getting hajj immigration and releasing of pakistani prisoners from there has shown the result to which all of us are witnesses, other than that policy wise hard decisions will be taken and nation will feel the brunt but will have to be patient. You are welcome to suggest remedial points as well,

I am very much keen to hear from you on remedial actions all suggestions are welcomed

That is an admirable

More than that, The current situation we are in is a result of years of corruption, malpractice, nepotism, misgovernance etc<.
Having that attribute certainly drives the motivation

 

[VCheng]

He will be given the complete term. If someone who is has seen the history of politics in Pakistan then he must know the challenges faced by current Administration. Making him messiah in PDF lol does not make him mEssiah unless he goes on to deliver, He has categorically stated in his frist speech as PM that rough times are head, His special Plea to Crown prince of Sudia of getting hajj immigration and releasing of pakistani prisoners from there has shown the result to which all of us are witnesses, other than that policy wise hard decisions will be taken and nation will feel the brunt but will have to be patient. You are welcome to suggest remedial points as well,

I am very much keen to hear from you on remedial actions all suggestions are welcomed


More than that, The current situation we are in is a result of years of corruption, malpractice, nepotism, misgovernance etc<.
Having that attribute certainly drives the motivation

Well, let us see what hard decisions are taken and implemented, beginning with the economy and the security situation (this thread topic). Any remedial actions are up to the elected leader. I am perfectly happy being patient to see the results.