Tareen meets Aleem, likely to announce new political party in 72 hrs

[Jango]

I don’t conflate it with personality - it is all the metrics and overall instability. PTI wasn’t IK even though many of his cultists have it so - it represents the educated middle class who at the end are what drives change.

After all - disenfranchise the middle class in the US.. what happens?

Things are far past IK now, as you said, it's about disenfranchisement of a whole section of society.

But the decision makers in our country have the same viewpoint as Mr Meengla here.

 

[Path-Finder]

Hahahah! I haven't stopped sending money to Pakistan via banking channels, and I have been doing that since April 2004, and actually increased the amount some time ago (within last 12-18 months, I don't remember, but because I could afford that).

Please don't project Imran's agenda as that of every Pakistani's agenda. We do it for our families in Pakistan. We are not doing any 'charity'.

Imran is a deranged person who even publicly asked Pakistanis to send money via 'Hundi' instead of banking channels. Do you know the consequences for such actions for Pakistan??

When will you ever love your country instead of personalities??

you have entered your own delusions of deranged reasoning.

 

[Meengla]

I don’t conflate it with personality - it is all the metrics and overall instability. PTI wasn’t IK even though many of his cultists have it so - it represents the educated middle class who at the end are what drives change.

After all - disenfranchise the middle class in the US.. what happens?

It is certainly a loss in Pakistan when the most popular political party is being dismantled and its vote bank will feel the loss. But IF there is stability and sound economic policies for the next 5-10 years then people are people: They would be part of the political process again.

The PTI vote bank is smart and adaptable. Many are cultist but, in the end, they are human beings and would adapt based on changed circumstances or to another popular narrative. It is a totally false premise that because Imran goes away, the people will not adapt. Have you wondered why Imran was losing the byelections leading to the April 2022 events? Have you wondered why Imran, knowing the NCM was coming up, did'nt call for elections in March 2022? Why didn't he do that: Because he was unsure of his re-election then! You see: People can change their political affiliations!

But then only time will tell who is right, right?!

 

[RashidKhanTheLegend]

They can name themselves PTI

pakistan tehreek e Inkishaf...

Now that they are exposed

 

[SQ8]

It is certainly a loss in Pakistan when the most popular political party is being dismantled and its vote bank will feel the loss. But IF there is stability and sound economic policies for the next 5-10 years then people are people: They would be part of the political process again.

The PTI vote bank is smart and adaptable. Many are cultist but, in the end, they are human beings and would adapt based on changed circumstances or to another popular narrative. It is a totally false premise that because Imran goes away, the people will not adapt. Have you wondered why Imran was losing the byelections leading to the April 2022 events? Have you wondered why Imran, knowing the NCM was coming up, did'nt call for elections in March 2022? Why didn't he do that: Because he was unsure of his re-election then! You see: People can change their political affiliations!

But then only time will tell who is right, right?!

Both the bold are extremely negative in outlook from the cretins running the country at this point.

 

[SaadH]

Give a man a fish he'll eat for a day,
Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime.

You act as if this is something of "pride" or nationalism, all you accomplished is negative reinforcement.

Congrats on making your family dependent on you.

Infact he's proud to be funding the multi-generational PDM thieves and their equally egregious corrupt patrons, the colonial sepoys.

 

[Salim Toshkhana]

Why waste billions in elections and efforts of likes of dirty harry and team - simply declare some new stooge as PM of Pakistan. Since 1947, Pakistan never had "election" - it was always "Selection"

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

So don mafia Aleem Khan and Jahangir tareen became holy cow for PMLN. PML N daily praises them

 

[airmarshal]

@FOOLS_NIGHTMARE while your Noon League fights PTI and will definitely lose this battle, the establishment is creating a new face for itself. This will eliminate Noon League as King's party leaving Billo Rani in the race for PM. Establishment loves Billo.

Noon League has no future. Its only establishment which can carry such political dead bodies. Its establishment which brought you in govt carrying Shehbaz on its shoulders.

 

[Jango]

@FOOLS_NIGHTMARE while your Noon League fights PTI and will definitely lose this battle, the establishment is creating a new face for itself. This will eliminate Noon League as King's party leaving Billo Rani in the race for PM. Establishment loves Billo.

Noon League has no future. Its only establishment which can carry such political dead bodies. Its establishment which brought you in govt carrying Shehbaz on its shoulders.

Establishment is in prime spot right now.

Trying to create a hodgepodge coalition govt of N, PPP, and JKT. This way no one party has much influence, and hence the estab would get to be the ultimate arbiter.

Always has been the game plan, never let any civilian leader become more powerful than us.

But I do not think it would be that easy. JKT group was also active during the by elections and we all saw what happened.

 

[airmarshal]

Establishment is in prime spot right now.

Trying to create a hodgepodge coalition govt of N, PPP, and JKT. This way no one party has much influence, and hence the estab would get to be the ultimate arbiter.

Always has been the game plan, never let any civilian leader become more powerful than us.

But I do not think it would be that easy. JKT group was also active during the by elections and we all saw what happened.

PTI has 70% approval rating. All those who left PTI have no political future. Do you think if Fawad Choudhary joins this new party, he will get a vote?

In last 13 months, even monopoly of electables has been broken. PTI could not even run Mohsin Leghari's campaign for NA seat. PTI local leadership was arrested by police a week before. Yet, Mohsin Leghari won by a margin of 50k in a by election!! From the rural area of South Punjab, this was an achievement no one has acknowledged due to us caught up in fast, everyday developments. The reason for such a huge margin is because of high women voter turnout - the reason for this brutal crackdown in the aftermath of May 9th drama.

The people have now seen establishment is naked. The establishment is extremely arrogant and this is why its not seeing its fall. But time is very ruthless. Establishment will find out soon.

 

[Finer]

New political party is the reason to keep PMLN in check.

 

[Hero786]

phir iss party ka haal bhi "PSP" jaisa hi ho ga

 

[nbamba]

PPP and Bilawal? How much do you know about Pakistani politics?
No amount of 'engineering' can make PPP get even a quarter of seats in Punjab.
The next govt. is going to be led by the Noon League with PPP given the bone in Sindh.
And I disagree with you and PDF: Pakistan is not going to be 'history' because Imran is becoming 'history'. Let's reconnect after some months or a year to see where Pakistan would be.

Is there any possibility of PPP revival in Pakistan in the foreseeable future? After Benazir's death, under Zardari's thorough pragmatism leadership, the PPP has degenerated from a Pakistani national party with almost the same strength as PMLN to an influential party only in rural areas of Sindh province. Zardari was an unprincipled trader without any ideological charisma, which led to the complete decline of PPP. The two major political parties currently competing in Pakistan, PMLN and PTI, are both conservative right-wing parties. They have a compromise, concession, and negotiation attitude towards religious forces and the Taliban, and they are not progressive secular parties. Pakistan now has only two right-wing political parties competing, but there is no "left-wing party" with comparable strength, and there is no secular and progressive party that clearly opposes religious conservative forces and the Taliban. This is very unhealthy. If the PPP can never be revived, is it possible for Pakistan to produce a new strong leftist party?

 

[khansaheeb]

This is Pakistani politics.

Divide and rule gora style.