Map of "New Silk Road"

[SinoIndusFriendship]

A lot has been talked about the New Silk Road, aka Asia's Super-Trains. But how many has seen the proposed tracks?

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

A lot has been talked about the New Silk Road, aka Asia's Super-Trains. But how many has seen the proposed tracks?

I personally think the line going west should go directly to Islamabad. Why does the train must pass through India to reach Pakistan??? Also, it would be good if it can go to Cairo and down to Africa in the distant future.

 

[Musalman]

Reason it will goes through India is :

1. You can not built a train track in Himalayas
2. India being a big market will be very beneficial for Chinese. At the end of the day u need return on ur investment

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

Reason it will goes through India is :

1. You can not built a train track in Himalayas
2. India being a big market will be very beneficial for Chinese. At the end of the day u need return on ur investment

To me it is more practical to go directly to Pakistan, and from there to India. If it costs you more than what you can recover, then it doesn't matter how "big" the "market" is.

 

[Iggy]

To me it is more practical to go directly to Pakistan, and from there to India. If it costs you more than what you can recover, then it doesn't matter how "big" the "market" is.

Do you have any idea what you are talking??

 

[Omar1984]

Reason it will goes through India is :

1. You can not built a train track in Himalayas
2. India being a big market will be very beneficial for Chinese. At the end of the day u need return on ur investment

Reason it wont go through India is:

1. Pakistan-India relations will not improve as there are confessions from terrorists that bombings in Lahore were planned in Indian consulates in Afghanistan.

2. India will delay the project as it delayed the IPI project, and finally Pakistan made a deal with the Iranians, and progress have been made in that project now without india.

3. The Chinese are very intelligent and talented people, dont be surprised if they can build a railway route through the Himalayas. They already built a railway route through the Himalayas to their Tibet province.

 

[jinxeD_girl]

Reason it wont go through India is:

1. Pakistan-India relations will not improve as there are confessions from terrorists that bombings in Lahore were planned in Indian consulates in Afghanistan.

2. India will delay the project as it delayed the IPI project, and finally Pakistan made a deal with the Iranians, and progress have been made in that project now without india.

3. The Chinese are very intelligent and talented people, dont be surprised if they can build a railway route through the Himalayas. They already built a railway route through the Himalayas to their Tibet province.

I agree...

 

[xebex]

The Chinese are very intelligent and talented....

compared to you maybe....other than that they are pretty much same in intelligence as rest 99.999999999% human beings.

hav a nice day!

 

[Iggy]

Reason it wont go through India is:

1. Pakistan-India relations will not improve as there are confessions from terrorists that bombings in Lahore were planned in Indian consulates in Afghanistan.

Rubbish.. your foreign minister said its premature to blame India

2. India will delay the project as it delayed the IPI project, and finally Pakistan made a deal with the Iranians, and progress have been made in that project now without india.

Nothing to do with railway line..we have a sucessful railway link between our countries

3. The Chinese are very intelligent and talented people, dont be surprised if they can build a railway route through the Himalayas. They already built a railway route through the Himalayas to their Tibet province.

They may be talented but they are in for business too..They need profit..building railway line through Himalayas instead of India will be costlier and will not get the intended profits ..

 

[sparklingway]

Rubbish.. your foreign minister said its premature to blame India


Nothing to do with railway line..we have a sucessful railway link between our countries


They may be talented but they are in for business too..They need profit..building railway line through Himalayas instead of India will be costlier and will not get the intended profits ..

I can tell you what you'll hear in reply:-

Government bashing. The same old that the military has proof but the Antichrist Zardari is not furnishing it to allow India to kill all Pakistanis.

How does India being involved at the state level/(individuals inside organization level) have to do with a silk route train? We have an existing rail link between India and Pakistan and that can be improved. Last year, a feasibility study was started for a Karokaram rail link, although I find it highly unfeasible and economically burdensome.

Oh, I forgot, now I'll be labeled a traitor, "anti-pakistan", "pro-India", RAW/CIA/MOSSAD/KFC/NASA/HBL agent and will be told that I should relocate to India.

 

[Omar1984]

Rubbish.. your foreign minister said its premature to blame India


Nothing to do with railway line..we have a sucessful railway link between our countries


They may be talented but they are in for business too..They need profit..building railway line through Himalayas instead of India will be costlier and will not get the intended profits ..

Go to this thread:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/50434-lahore-bombings-planned-afghanistan.html

The only railway between India and Pakistan is Delhi-Lahore train I believe. The train stops in Lahore. This route our Chinese friends have planned gives Indians route through Lahore through Gwadar to the Middle East.

And I dont think Pakistan will allow any kind of transit route to india through Pakistani soil especially not right now. Pakistan will not provide transite route through its soil to india that easily.

Chinese friends will have to think of another route leaving india out of this plan.

 

[sparklingway]

Go to this thread:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/50434-lahore-bombings-planned-afghanistan.html

And I dont think Pakistan will allow any kind of transit route to India through Pakistani soil especially not right now. Pakistan will not provide transit route through its soil to India that easily.

Chinese friends will have to think of another route leaving India out of this plan.

I did not say that there is not a possibility of them being planned/supported/carried out (by) India. I pointed out that it had nothing to do with enhancing the rail link which exists and is functional already. There is always the possibility of individuals inside India's security apparatus pursuing idiotic and fanatical objectives of their own, or worst an institution pursuing a path of destruction (i.e. supporting terror in Pakistan). The chances of the state, in all its might, supporting terror inside Pakistan are remote and the most horrific of circumstances.

The aim of the topic was to discuss enhanced trade routes. We can only gain from providing India a transit trade route through our country. Some might think it is somehow inherently wrong or insulting (I don't see the rationale behind such thinking), but it is downright economically viable and justifiable to enhance the existing rail links for improving trade. Enhanced trade will help us improve our exports as well by providing more markets at our disposal. The "security threat" of providing India a transit trade route through Pakistan is based on our inherent assumptions about India's hegemonic ambitions. There is no security threat associated with such a trade route, only inflated egos of men in out security apparatus at are at threat. I'm at a loss when I try to think about any reason why we should block a possible economic frontier available to us. It's just pure idiotic and aimed at limiting available opportunities and making sure that the class structure of our society remains intact

So let me break it down to simple terms:-
Trade = business = money = social welfare = poverty eradication = good good for working class bad bad for self serving bourgeois

 

[Omar1984]

The aim of the topic was to discuss enhanced trade routes. We can only gain from providing India a transit trade route through our country. Some might think it is somehow inherently wrong or insulting (I don't see the rationale behind such thinking), but it is downright economically viable and justifiable to enhance the existing rail links for improving trade. Enhanced trade will help us improve our exports as well by providing more markets at our disposal. The "security threat" of providing India a transit trade route through Pakistan is based on our inherent assumptions about India's hegemonic ambitions. There is no security threat associated with such a trade route, only inflated egos of men in out security apparatus at are at threat. I'm at a loss when I try to think about any reason why we should block a possible economic frontier available to us. It's just pure idiotic and aimed at limiting available opportunities and making sure that the class structure of our society remains intact

India has for long asked Pakistan for a transit route through Pakistani soil into Central Asia and Middle East.

If we allow them easy access through Pakistani soil into Central Asia and Middle East then they can easily reach to TTP terrorists and BLA terrorists, hell this map even gives India an easy route through Gwadar into Middle East. No one can trust what indians will hide in their "exports". The truth is india is our arch rival and will take every oppurtunity to hurt Pakistan.


Also there has been no improvements in Pakistan-India relations, no talks on Kashmir, no talks on any other disputes we have with India. This transit route was always seen as a thing to get india talking about Kashmir, we will not just give india this transit route to Middle East so easily, especially not through Gwadar when they are funding BLA terrorists.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

India has for long asked Pakistan for a transit route through Pakistani soil into Central Asia and Middle East.

If we allow them easy access through Pakistani soil into Central Asia and Middle East then they can easily reach to TTP terrorists and BLA terrorists, hell this map even gives India an easy route through Gwadar into Middle East. No one can trust what indians will hide in their "exports". The truth is india is our arch rival and will take every oppurtunity to hurt Pakistan.


Also there has been no improvements in Pakistan-India relations, no talks on Kashmir, no talks on any other disputes we have with India. This transit route was always seen as a thing to get india talking about Kashmir, we will not just give india this transit route to Middle East so easily, especially not through Gwadar when they are funding BLA terrorists.

I agree. If India wants the transit, it must prove in actions that it will not use it to harm Pakistan.

In life you cannot expect to get something for nothing. If you want somebody to give you something you want, you in return must give them something of value they want.

 

[sparklingway]

In my opinion, we are just loosing an opportunity. Being fearful of the stuff coming in the freight trains is understandable but we have given too much away at the negotiation table b/w '99-'06 that there is hardly any possibility left that India will yield to our demands.

Plurality of opinion is desirable. I respect your opinion.