Mao's Great Leap to Famine

[gpit]

and you believe in what enemies say about Mao.

I never believe anybody's saying until I do some studies myself.

And i welcome different opinions/facts.

 

[below_freezing]

Thanks for the calculations that show data manipulation. The archives have already shown that while starvation was present it was nowhere near the scale claimed by western sources. The publisher of this book could not even find photographic evidence so he used 1946's Famine In China (under the KMT) picture as the cover, I have already posted a link showing this. He has not given credit for this either, so this book not only has serious scholarship faults, it has a plaigarized cover!

 

[BigTree.CN]

I feel so relieved when Indian members were trying to bash China by constantly quoting old Chinese tragedies happened in the past, rather than quoting what is happening in China now.

 

[Yeti]

Still go down in history as being responsible for more dead than even Hitler this is a cold hard fact some people refuse to see.

Speaking at The Independent Woodstock Literary Festival, Frank Dikötter, a Hong Kong-based historian, said he found that during the time that Mao was enforcing the Great Leap Forward in 1958, in an effort to catch up with the economy of the Western world, he was responsible for overseeing "one of the worst catastrophes the world has ever known".

Mr Dikötter, who has been studying Chinese rural history from 1958 to 1962, when the nation was facing a famine, compared the systematic torture, brutality, starvation and killing of Chinese peasants to the Second World War in its magnitude. At least 45 million people were worked, starved or beaten to death in China over these four years; the worldwide death toll of the Second World War was 55 million.



http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/maos-great-leap-forward-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html

 

[below_freezing]

Still go down in history as being responsible for more dead than even Hitler this is a cold hard fact some people refuse to see.

Speaking at The Independent Woodstock Literary Festival, Frank Dikötter, a Hong Kong-based historian, said he found that during the time that Mao was enforcing the Great Leap Forward in 1958, in an effort to catch up with the economy of the Western world, he was responsible for overseeing "one of the worst catastrophes the world has ever known".

Mr Dikötter, who has been studying Chinese rural history from 1958 to 1962, when the nation was facing a famine, compared the systematic torture, brutality, starvation and killing of Chinese peasants to the Second World War in its magnitude. At least 45 million people were worked, starved or beaten to death in China over these four years; the worldwide death toll of the Second World War was 55 million.



Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years' - News, Books - The Independent

India has 2 million dead per year in its futile attempt to catch up to the Western economies, 120 million dead since independence, who speaks out for them? And unlike the Great Leap Forward, there is:

1.) photographic evidence for india's cruel slaughter of its children unlike the Great Leap Forward which has zero photographic evidence of any killing - even the cover of the book is shamelessly stolen from a 1946 copyrighted LIFE magazine cover without citation.
2.) statistical evidence backed by both indian government records, UN records and outside government records, unlike statistical records which show the death rate of all peoples born 1959-1961 is actually LOWER than average
3.) evidence of mass slaughter due to the corpses floating down the Ganges every day while NO EVIDENCE of mass graves have been found in china - note that mass graves from WW2 and Chinese Civil War are STILL being found today at construction sites while no mass graves dated 1959-1961 (more recent) have been found at construction sites, both of domestic projects and of international ones with hundreds of foreign journalists and investors.
4.) evidence from survivors, as they point out the bloated bodies in the Ganges but in China, most factory construction digs deep and in rural areas too, yet STILL no evidence of mass graves! in fact, 95% of political criminals prosecuted during the 1950's survived to 1970's, well after the famine was over!
5.) anecdotal evidence from videotaped interviews of neutral observers in India who have actually witnessed people starving to death before their eyes but not one observer, neutral or otherwise, has actually seen a single person starve to death in China in 1959-1961.

 

[BigTree.CN]

India has 2 million dead per year in its futile attempt to catch up to the Western economies, 120 million dead since independence, who speaks out for them? And unlike the Great Leap Forward, there is:

1.) photographic evidence for india's cruel slaughter of its children unlike the Great Leap Forward which has zero photographic evidence of any killing - even the cover of the book is shamelessly stolen from a 1946 copyrighted LIFE magazine cover without citation.
2.) statistical evidence backed by both indian government records, UN records and outside government records, unlike statistical records which show the death rate of all peoples born 1959-1961 is actually LOWER than average
3.) evidence of mass slaughter due to the corpses floating down the Ganges every day while NO EVIDENCE of mass graves have been found in china - note that mass graves from WW2 and Chinese Civil War are STILL being found today at construction sites while no mass graves dated 1959-1961 (more recent) have been found at construction sites, both of domestic projects and of international ones with hundreds of foreign journalists and investors.
4.) evidence from survivors, as they point out the bloated bodies in the Ganges but in China, most factory construction digs deep and in rural areas too, yet STILL no evidence of mass graves! in fact, 95% of political criminals prosecuted during the 1950's survived to 1970's, well after the famine was over!
5.) anecdotal evidence from videotaped interviews of neutral observers in India who have actually witnessed people starving to death before their eyes but not one observer, neutral or otherwise, has actually seen a single person starve to death in China in 1959-1961.

Let me answer this one for Indian members.

CCP has destroyed all the evidences that might incriminate them, hence there are no evidences. However, westerners are the most honorable people in the world, anything said by them should be accepted without any suspicion, especially in this case of China being the topic. Anyone who refuses to follow the suit is refusing to accept the true history about China and proves to be brainwashed by CCP.

 

[Chinese Gandhi]

India has 2 million dead per year in its futile attempt to catch up to the Western economies, 120 million dead since independence, who speaks out for them? And unlike the Great Leap Forward, there is:

1.) photographic evidence for india's cruel slaughter of its children unlike the Great Leap Forward which has zero photographic evidence of any killing - even the cover of the book is shamelessly stolen from a 1946 copyrighted LIFE magazine cover without citation.
2.) statistical evidence backed by both indian government records, UN records and outside government records, unlike statistical records which show the death rate of all peoples born 1959-1961 is actually LOWER than average
3.) evidence of mass slaughter due to the corpses floating down the Ganges every day while NO EVIDENCE of mass graves have been found in china - note that mass graves from WW2 and Chinese Civil War are STILL being found today at construction sites while no mass graves dated 1959-1961 (more recent) have been found at construction sites, both of domestic projects and of international ones with hundreds of foreign journalists and investors.
4.) evidence from survivors, as they point out the bloated bodies in the Ganges but in China, most factory construction digs deep and in rural areas too, yet STILL no evidence of mass graves! in fact, 95% of political criminals prosecuted during the 1950's survived to 1970's, well after the famine was over!
5.) anecdotal evidence from videotaped interviews of neutral observers in India who have actually witnessed people starving to death before their eyes but not one observer, neutral or otherwise, has actually seen a single person starve to death in China in 1959-1961.

You must get 200 extra yuan from the CCP for such an effort!!

The CCP's Ultra-nationalist Bloggers Are No Accident

 

[BigTree.CN]

You must get 200 extra yuan from the CCP for such an effort!!

The CCP's Ultra-nationalist Bloggers Are No Accident

Lol, when you are unable to address any of the questions raised by us. you simply tagged people. I am glad I am wintessing more and more Indians are brought up in this way, I believe if this trend continues, India soon will surpass China.

By the way, I am deeply amused that the infamous Chinese colonism promoter is being compared to Chinese equivalent of Gandhi by Indian members here. Well done, that is a good way to promote the reputation of Gandhi among Chinese people.

 

[BigTree.CN]

And I am deeply amused that Top notch and plain BS is being termed as 'valid points' rasied by you and your gang. Heres a gem :



BTW, Mr chinese Gandhi is not the topic of discussion here, howsoever appealing it may be to you.

Plz stick to MAO for the sake of discussion

Without giving any serious argument, you have already termed what were raised by us as BS. What kind of discussion is that?

You are an utterly big troller.

 

[Chinese Gandhi]

Without giving any serious argument, you have already termed what were raised by us as BS. What kind of discussion is that?

You are an utterly big troller.

I think you missed the 'Gem' I quoted in my previous post.

And you want a serious counter argument to that?

 

[below_freezing]

You must get 200 extra yuan from the CCP for such an effort!!

The CCP's Ultra-nationalist Bloggers Are No Accident

showing off that IQ of 81 again? IQ and the Wealth of Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

sorry it's not my fault, indians are born that way and 34% illiteracy system doesn't help you make the best of that IQ.

Literacy in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Yeti]

Nice colour video showing people and general life during that period

 

[somebozo]

Nothing could explain the height of obsession here..what ever happened in the past is the story of past..even if assumed as truth..but where do China stand today versus India?

Where is the socialist republic of India?? Where is the superpower of Nehru??

 

[below_freezing]

YouTube - CIA Archives: China's Great Leap Forward - Part 3 (1958)


Nice colour video showing people and general life during that period

great video, thanks. as you can see, the wester n journalists were freely filming and videotaping (you can see a white man with a camera holding the basket with the woman in 1st minute) and still cannot provide statistical, historical, physical, photographic or video evidence of a single person dying of hunger.

 

[Yeti]

great video, thanks. as you can see, the wester n journalists were freely filming and videotaping (you can see a white man with a camera holding the basket with the woman in 1st minute) and still cannot provide physical, photographic or video evidence of a single person dying of hunger.

That was one video from CIA records does not prove anything nor does it mean millions did not parish due to Mao's economic policies.