Majority of Pakistanis for 'Islamisation' of society: Poll

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I think Jinnah-101 should be a mandatory class for all students in Pakistan because some people are a bit confused

 

[Rafi]

Pakistanis can largely differentiate between religion and secular things - and most of us balance it quite well.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

majority does i think....balance is key to life

western and off course bharti media paints us all as die-hard gun toting taleban it's quite amusing actually but there is little from it we should take seriously. There is some segment of society which clings to some MISGUIDED religious zeal but they are only a tiny little fraction of the whole population

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

majority does i think....balance is key to life

western and off course bharti media paints us all as die-hard gun toting taleban it's quite amusing actually but there is little from it we should take seriously. There is some segment of society which clings to some MISGUIDED religious zeal but they are only a tiny little fraction of the whole population

What opinion would the outside world have when scores of Pakistanis are killed DAILY in Pakistan and people in Pakistan take it in a docile manner.

If millions can rally to Imran's call and block NATO supplies and bring Pakistan to a standstill, the same outside world finds it surprising that not a SINGLE Pakistani feels that it is time to rise and protest. It is almost an affirmation from the Pakistanis that the terrorists and their killing have the nod from the Pakistani people. When they find that people are against their own Army which is about to launch an operation against the very same terrorists who created the daily mayhem in Pakistan, what inference do you wish the international community to draw about Pakistan? That they are against the terrorists and their ideology?

It is not some segment, it appears most.

I wonder if you read the vernacular newspapers. They are more honest about the feeling swamping Pakistan.

 

[AAtish]

No0t Wahabi Islam - Jinnah was no Wahabi, nor were the Muslims who struggled to create Pakistan - I think it's disingenuous to claim that Pakistan was created for the likes of those who imagine that the substance and totality of Islam is Wahabi/Salafi barbarity

Kindly elaborate..

PS: I am not a wahabi or Salafi.. but i would surely like to understand what you mean by this..

 

[AAtish]

We should be realistic -- asking whether Pakistanis think government should "Islamize", is like asking if we are against death and taxes - it's a no brainer - but the really fascinating thing is that most people are not sure what islamize means because note the number who say that laws should be enacted one by one, that is to say that they do not altogether trust what the substance of Islamize may be

They might be following the sequence provided when "Sharab" (or Wine in general sense) was banned in 3 steps.. The point is, they are not denying to live in a Islamic state and neither are afraid of it.. those crying in fear are all non-muslims or self-proclaimed seculars..

 

[AAtish]

Yes, interesting - however, I can see a complication - after all, people are already sick and tired of which Islam and which Shariah, so I think there is a long long way to go before victory and defeat become issues.

There is no "which Islam" and "which Shariah".. there is only ONE Islam and ONE shariah.. the confusion is aired by people who do NOT want Muslims to unite again.. They are afraid of combined power and Socio-Economic stability of Islamic System

 

[AAtish]

dude ur not even allowed to make a temple in gulf nor hold any public meetings in gulf(obviously minorities)...ur not allowed to enter mecca as well.....dont compare with the western world.

Mate, if your father tells you to not take drugs, and you take them, its not fault of your father, but yours.. Islam protects Minorities and their religion.. If someone goes against it, then they go against Islam, Islam is not to be blamed for it..

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

What opinion would the outside world have when scores of Pakistanis are killed DAILY in Pakistan and people in Pakistan take it in a docile manner.

it isnt ''docile'' manner though i will admit that for some it has become such a ''routine'' occurence that some are a bit de-sensitized or are just mentally blocking it out

is it the healthy or right thing to do? Hell no it is not. But that doesnt mean people are ''docile'' or don't care. People are furious that so much needless bloodshed takes place. However there are people who blame the war in Afghanistan for this phenonmenon because the truth is -- before mid 2000s suicide bombing was totally alien to Pakistan.

i think people also have little faith in the government, because govt. amuses us with new innovations in the art of ''incompetence''

Pakistanis feel largely helpless, but there have been rallies against suicide bombings and peace rallies they just never go reported!

If millions can rally to Imran's call and block NATO supplies and bring Pakistan to a standstill, the same outside world finds it surprising that not a SINGLE Pakistani feels that it is time to rise and protest. It is almost an affirmation from the Pakistanis that the terrorists and their killing have the nod from the Pakistani people.

absurd statement

When they find that people are against their own Army which is about to launch an operation against the very same terrorists who created the daily mayhem in Pakistan, what inference do you wish the international community to draw about Pakistan? That they are against the terrorists and their ideology?

majority of the people stand behind the Armed Forces....as for NWA op --it will take place at a time of our choosing. Nation stood behind Armed forces during Swat, SWA, Orakzai, Khyber and other ops and they will also stand behind Army if and when NWA campaign takes place.

have little uncertainty on this fact....

It is not some segment, it appears most.

appears only to you, because your media is misguiding you indians completely...sorry to say

I wonder if you read the vernacular newspapers. They are more honest about the feeling swamping Pakistan.

you follow all news outlets in Pakistan?


very impressive!! Considering there are HUNDREDS, with all types of views and leanings. I guess you are more of an authority now on Pakistan than Pakistanis themselves, ey?

 

[1 ummah]

ISLAMABAD: A majority of Pakistanis favour the government taking steps for the "Islamisation" of society and almost a third of them believe the process should be completed in one go, according to new survey. A total of 67 per cent replied in the affirmative when they were asked during the survey carried out by Gallup Pakistan whether the government should take steps to "Islamise" the society.

Only 13 per cent said they believed there is no need for "Islamisation" while 20 per cent gave no response.

Forty eight per cent of respondents said steps to Islamise the society "should be taken one by one" while 31 per cent said the "steps should be taken at once". Twenty one per cent gave no response to a question on the process of Islamisation.

The study was carried out by Gallup Pakistan, the affiliate of Gallup International.

The survey was carried out among a sample of 2,738 men and women in rural and urban areas of all four provinces of Pakistan during January.

Rights activists and civil society groups have expressed concern over the perceived growth of influence of Islamist and radical groups in recent months.

The police guard who assassinated Punjab governor Salmaan Taseer for opposing the controversial blasphemy law in January was feted by Islamist groups as a hero and hundreds of lawyers offered to represent him for free.

Former federal minister Sherry Rehman virtually stopped making public appearances after being threatened by hardliners for her call for changes in the blasphemy law.

Majority of Pakistanis for 'Islamisation' of society: Poll - The Times of India

o ballay ballay shawa ahawa shawa!!

alhamdullillah !!!!!!!

 

[AAtish]

Who is talking about the Ahmadi thing here, I am pointing to the differences in opinion about Islam between the Ulema, none of them have a similar understanding.

Keep Ahmadis as Non Muslims, I don't have a problem with that, no one is asking for the Ordinance XX to be repealed.

But explain to me as to whose Islam do you want, Deobandi, Barelvi, Wahabi, Shia or another variation.

Who's Islam?? Kindly get it clear that Islam is Religion given by Allah (swt) through Mohammad (P.B.U.H).. Explained in Qur'an, Ahadees and through Sunnah..

Imams have elaborated few things from it, some ayah called "mutashabihaat"..

nothing else..

and these mullahs are just beating around the bushes for their own benefits..

As far as your question is concerned in broader aspect.. People have started studying about Islam in greater detail by themselves, this is the sole reason of increased converts to Islam globally.. I would suggest you to do so too.. read Qur'an and study "sahah-e-sittah"..

Oh and btw, before you study sahah-e-sittah, do keep in mind the difference between qavi and zaeef hadees.. Qavi always overrule zaeef ahadees..

 

[AAtish]

How much more religion do you want in your country ? Keep religion to religion and let governance take its own track. The problem with Pakistan is that Pakistanis always feel that the grass is greener on the other side. When you have a military rule, you scream for democracy, when you have a democracy you want Sharia. im sure when Sharia will be implemented, you will want something else. Dont change yourself, just keep changing the system.

There is a big difference between YOUR religion and OUR religion.. so please refrain from commenting on something which you don't understand, if you want to discuss Islam, do study it first, and please, from credible sources.. thanks..

 

[T-Faz]

o ballay ballay shawa ahawa shawa!!

alhamdullillah !!!!!!!

Tauba, Tauba. :o

Your Un-Islamic Hindu chants will result in your tongue being cut off.

Be careful when the system is in place.

 

[Abu Basit]

Haha, it wasn't a dream, you did run away, the lost post was by me around 7 days and you still haven't replied to it.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-history/109448-army-high-command-not-bhutto-responsible-1971-east-pak-fiasco-says-d-5.html



Because there is nothing in it that will justify what you are alluding to, all Jinnah is talking about is a democratic, fair, equal and justice led society with the context of Islam.



You are the one who twists his words for your likings, your Maulanas like Maududi, Madani and others used to call him Kafir-e-Azam.

I am going to keep an eye on you so you don't twist history.

and why should i respond to a post which didn't mentioned any source/reference to Jinnah's statements- don't you know the ettiquettes of posting or is it you just want to fool around and twist the statements of Jinnah- Go and give references and i'll be there, don't you worry about this as i have handled lots of seculars in the past ...

Let me tell why you didn't quoted his full statement- Jinnah used the word 'Shariat and this isn't acceptable to your types.

and why are you bringing Qadiyani murtads in your posts again & again- something is fishy here----

Yes do keep an eye on me and in doing so don't forget to give references in which you have miserably failed uptill now....

 

[Abu Basit]

Are you talking about the same scholars who could not agree to a single definition of a Muslim during their questioning by Justice Munir and Justice Kayani.


Do these Ulema's even understand Islam?

They could not agree on a single definition of a Muslim.

In one of the sessions, the Ulema asked the judge to provide him with more time so that he can devise an answer to who is a Muslim. To this reply, Justice Kayani got angry and stated that it has been thousands of years since Islam began and you still cannot state who a Muslim is.

didn't i said that this moaning of 'whose Islam is now out of fashion- now bring something new as all this now sounds like a broken record.

The Ulemas of all sects agreed on 22 points as follow:

(1) ALLAH (SWT) is the REAL Sovereign and Lord of this universe.

(2) The Law of the country shall be based on Quran and Sunnah and neither any law shall be enacted nor any Administrative injunction shall be laid down that is repugnant to Quran and Sunnah.

(3) This country shall not be based on any geographical, racial, linguistic or any other concepts but on those principles and aims which are based on the code of life laid down by Islam.

(4) It shall be the obligation of Islamic state to establish the goods defined by Quran and Sunnah, suppress the wrongs and arrange for the revival and supremacy of Islamic beliefs and for the necessary education of established Islamic sects according to their understandings of religion.

(5) It shall be the obligation of Islamic state to strengthen the unity and brotherhood among all the Muslims of the world. It shall get rid of all the means that may give rise to differences among the Muslim citizens of the state due to ignorant prejudices of racism, linguistics, regionalism or any other sort of discrimination and ensure the stability of unity among the Islamic community.

(6) State shall sponsor, without any religious, race or other discrimination, the basic needs such as food, clothing, shelter, health and education for all such people who cannot earn their livelihood or cannot do so temporarily due to unemployment, illness or other reasons.

(7) Citizens of the country shall enjoy all the rights laid down for them in Islamic Sharia. It means protection of life, property and dignity within the Law, freedom of religion and sect, freedom to worship, freedom of caste, freedom of expression, freedom to move, freedom to gather, freedom to earn livelihood, equal opportunity to progress and right to get benefits from social organizations.

(8) None of the above-mentioned rights of any citizen shall be suppressed at any time without any legitimate reason according to Islamic Law and none shall be punished for any accusation of crime without provision of an opportunity to defend and without a judicial decision.

(9) The established Islamic sects shall enjoy complete religious freedom within the prescribed boundaries and Law. They shall have the right to educate their followers on their religion. The decisions related to their personal affairs shall be made according to their religious jurisprudence and it shall be suitable to make an arrangement that their own judges make such decisions.

(10) The non-Muslim citizens of the state shall enjoy complete freedom, within the prescribed boundaries and Law, to practice their religion, worship, culture, religious education and they will have the right to get decisions on their personal affairs according to their religious law or traditions.

(11) It shall be mandatory to abide by the agreements made, with non-Muslim citizens of the state, within the boundaries of Sharia. Both the Muslim and non-Muslim citizens shall have equal civic rights as mentioned above in clause no. 7.

(12) It shall be mandatory for the President of the country to be a male Muslim whose trustworthiness, capability and decision-making enjoys the confidence of people or their elected representatives.

(13) The president of the state shall be actually responsible for administering the state. However he can delegate any part of his authority to a person or an organization.

(14) The government of the President shall not be autocratic but consultative. It implies that he shall execute his duties after consultation with the members of government and the elected representatives of the people.

(15) The President shall have no right to govern without the help of consultation after suspending the constitution partially or completely.

(16) The organization that shall elect the President shall also have the right to remove him with majority votes.

(17) The President of the state shall have the same civil rights as general Muslims and shall not be immune to impeachment.

(18) Same law shall be applied to the members and workers of the government and the citizens and the general courts shall implement it.

(19) The judiciary shall be separate and independent from the administration so that the judiciary does not get influenced by the administration in performing its duties.

(20) It shall be prohibited to preach or promote any of such thoughts and ideologies, which may be destructive to the basic principles of the Islamic state.
(21) The various provinces and parts of the country shall be considered the Administrative Units of one state. Their status shall not be racial, linguistic or tribal entities but shall be of administrative territories, which may be delegated administrative authorities under the central dominion keeping in view the administrative convenience but they shall not have right to disintegrate from the centre.

(22) Any interpretation of the Constitution that is against Quran and Sunnah shall not be valid.