Major reason for sufferings of Indian Muslims

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

I was going to open another thread about something that has been bugging me for the last couple of days but then decided to post here--very relevant. So here it is:

So a couple of days ago, spoke with a friend from Karachi. I have not interacted with him much in decades. He is also an Urdu Speaker like me. The conversation went something like this:
Me: How is life.
He: It's okay but we Muhajirs have it bad in Pakistan. I wished there was no Pakistan.
Me (Shocked): What are you talking about??
He: Well, our hard-work being stolen by the Waderas of Sindh. Can't get govt jobs [etc, etc]
Me: But why do you wish there had not been a Pakistan? I can't imagine living in India!
He: Well, I don't want to live in India but, you know, we [Muslims] ruled India for centuries and we would still be ruling there had it not been for Pakistan.
Me: No, you are deluded! The British were going to leave and, despite all the hundreds of millions of Muslims in the Subcontinent, the Hindus are far too numerous and they would rule!
[Some more back and forth...]
Me: Let's not talk about politics right now.

He is frustrated with his career circumstances and I had offered to help him some months ago, as an old friend. But look at his circumstances: Three children from 17-21 age range. One of them is on 'full scholarship' at a great university getting Computer Science and the others are also on successful career paths of their own.

I didn't want to embarrass him to point out his obvious now/future good station in life as I see it. I did try to assure him that in just a few years his children will be successful professionals and a great asset for him. I gave him the example of my own brother whose kids are college graduates and have decent jobs in Karachi.

I pointed out to him that I know several families in America (of white people) where the kids have been 'running around' and they have ruined their parents' lives!! I said you and everyone else I know in Pakistan is very lucky on that subject.

Anyway, it's off my chest now!

your friend sounds a lot like my older brother. his life is going great, yet he curses his career choice. he drove us all insane. he would come to our rooms, sometimes at midnight on a weedend, and moan about his career till fajr.

 

[Meengla]

your friend sounds a lot like my older brother. his life is going great, yet he curses his career choice. he drove us all insane. he would come to our rooms, sometimes at midnight on a weedend, and moan about his career till fajr.

Yes.
And that had been actually the case with my brother too: Always the sky had been falling on his head. But only in the last few months he sees that his 'station' in life is so good. Only just now!!

My point being: Look at your circumstances, and compare with others--because that's the only hard stick for humans globally to have some meaningful point of reference--and then only begin to draw conclusions. And in that vein--those of us whose ancestors came to Pakistan have it FAR FAR BETTER than Indian Muslims who chose to stay behind.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

If it's my brother, my community, and my country, its my duty to say the truth. If people don't want to listen, then I don't think we have enough time left...
@Ahmet Pasha see bro, in Pakistan we don't discuss things. Usually when things are not discussed then then they are hidden. This gives a more favourable environment to corruption.

Mazak kr ria tha me yar.

 

[waz]

Pakistan never proved itself worthy of moving in. I mean, Indian Muslims would have migrated to Pakistan if Pakistan was worthy. So basically, the ones who didn't move, never thought Pakistan to be better than India. Indian Muslims are reaching world top organizations, where our Pakistani professionals are reaching? S

Bro really?

Muhammad Alamgir from just last month.

 

[Suriya]

He: Well, I don't want to live in India but, you know, we [Muslims] ruled India for centuries and we would still be ruling there had it not been for Pakistan.
Me: No, you are deluded! The British were going to leave and, despite all the hundreds of millions of Muslims in the Subcontinent, the Hindus are far too numerous and they would rule!
[Some more back and forth...]
Me: Let's not talk about politics right now.

Had there be no partition and no Pakistan, then Muslims of united India would have been far more secular and liberal and Hindu would have been far more conservative and communal. Staunch secular Hindu leaders like Nehru and even Netaji Subhas Bose if alive would have shorter political careers as people especially Hindus would have been voting on identity politics. A secure in numbers Muslim polity would have to contend with communal Hindu identity polity.

Bro really?

Muhammad Alamgir from just last month.

Still not a single Indian Muslim applying for a Visa to pakistan for a better life though they are migrating to all over the world.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Bro really?

Muhammad Alamgir from just last month.

Apart from incidence like that, what I can see is the greater reach that Indian Muslims have. Be it business, be it media or be it jobs. That's what I was saying.
But indeed, India has its own issues, and tbh, one thing that very few people can see in India is the tug of war between old thugs and the new thugs. Society as a whole is heading towards big clash, grand clash I will say. But it's another debate.

 

[Meengla]

Had there be no partition and no Pakistan, then Muslims of united India would have been far more secular and liberal and Hindu would have been far more conservative and communal. Staunch secular Hindu leaders like Nehru and even Netaji Subhas Bose if alive would have shorter political careers as people especially Hindus would have been voting on identity politics. A secure in numbers Muslim polity would have to contend with communal Hindu identity polity.

Still not a single Indian Muslim applying for a Visa to pakistan for a better life though they are migrating to all over the world.

Okaaayy! But how can that be a counter argument against the Partition? Hindus were going to bounce back and they apparently are, after centuries of subjugation by Muslims and then the English. In a way, I don't blame the Hindus of India for their revivalism, accept they might be playing with fire by alienating a strong 200 million Muslim community.

As to the Indian Muslim not applying for Pakistani immigration--well, Pakistan is a poor country. But Pakistan HAD its door open, I think, into early 1950s and millions DID migrate to Pakistan. Now the doors are closed. So the Indian Muslim, just like they wouldn't want to migrate to Thailand, they wouldn't want to migrate to Pakistan. The West and the Middle East is where the money is and like water follows gravity, the immigrants follow $$$.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Had there be no partition and no Pakistan, then Muslims of united India would have been far more secular and liberal and Hindu would have been far more conservative and communal. Staunch secular Hindu leaders like Nehru and even Netaji Subhas Bose if alive would have shorter political careers as people especially Hindus would have been voting on identity politics. A secure in numbers Muslim polity would have to contend with communal Hindu identity polity.

Still not a single Indian Muslim applying for a Visa to pakistan for a better life though they are migrating to all over the world.

They prefer to defecate in the open along with over 600 million other indians:

53% of Indian households defecate in open, says World Bank

With over 600 million people in India or 53% of Indian households defecating in the open, absence of toilet or latrine is one of the important contributors to malnutrition, a World Bank report has said.

www.google.co.uk

 

[HAIDER]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1359037669150347264

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Reality

1. 200 million Muslims are just 4.9% of 88 lakh state and central govt employees

2. Not a single Muslim among 303 MP's of BJP

3. Muslims are only 1% in armed forces ( Not a single Muslim in RAW)

4. In faculties of different universities, Muslims are only 3.7%

5. In foreign office, Muslims are just 3.2%

6. From 1999 to 2013, Muslim representation in police has remained b/w 3 to 4%

7. The postal department had 2.7 lakh employees of whom 5% are Muslim, most in Group D

8. There is no Muslim minister in 15 of 28 states. In the remaining 13 states, there's only one Muslim minister





( Indian Muslims have tried to prove their loyalty every day to Hindu masters yet they are butchered on streets like vegetables, they are raped at will, lynched for fun but they think they are better than Pakistani Muslims )

As Quaid said " Indian Muslims will spend rest of their loves proving loyalty to Hindus"



At the same time I feel extremely offended when people on this forum talk about accommodating the Indian muslims in Pakistan. No Thankyou!!

Refer you to Manmohan Singh report on Muslims as minority in India. Where report highlighted , Muslim living condition worst then Dalits .. I deal with Indian as consultant for many years, I can write many stories how they discriminate Pakistanis and Muslims on work place .

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

Still not a single Indian Muslim applying for a Visa to pakistan for a better life though they are migrating to all over the world.

name me one hindu that would rather live in india over the West.

*crickets* yeah, i thought so too.

 

[GriffinsRule]

They are NOT real Muslims anyway. They are indian hindu worshippers masquerading as Muslims.

Pakistani Hindus migrating to India for new life often return home disappointed

KARACHI: Last year, Nanak Ram, a Hindu, left his home in Mirpur Mathelo in southern Pakistan with the intention never to return. Ram is one of what officials have estimated are hundreds of Pakistani Hindus who have recently migrated to India to be benefit from a citizenship law that Prime...

www.google.co.uk

I didn't realize you were an authority on deciding who is a Muslim and who is not. You should be thread banned at least for such comments.

 

[waz]

Apart from incidence like that, what I can see is the greater reach that Indian Muslims have. Be it business, be it media or be it jobs. That's what I was saying.
But indeed, India has its own issues, and tbh, one thing that very few people can see in India is the tug of war between old thugs and the new thugs. Society as a whole is heading towards big clash, grand clash I will say. But it's another debate.

It's one of a huge number. I'm not sure what you mean by he "greater reach" they have, all the stats (aside this thread) show they are not.
The rest I agree with.

 

[doorstar]

Major reason for sufferings of Indian Muslims

mixed Muslim/Hindu/Parsi beliefs (they follow a hotchpotch made in Iran/deoband/breily/qadian)

 

[ayodhyapati]

Bro really?

Muhammad Alamgir from just last month.

crimes do happen in india , many times muslims gangs kill hindu boys , last week muslims in bijnore UP killed a hindu jatt boy .

It's one of a huge number. I'm not sure what you mean by he "greater reach" they have, all the stats (aside this thread) show they are not.
The rest I agree with.

indian muslims have better reach than pakistani hindus .

 

[Hiptullha]

many times muslims gangs kill hindu boys , last week muslims in bijnore UP killed a hindu jatt boy .

Did they lynch him for not eating beef?