Major DNA ancestry database now correctly lists Pakistanis as Central Asian

[Gandhi G in da house]

Too lazy and still lurking on our forums, better switch to arnab goswami and entertain yourself...

Why ? can't handle the truth I am throwing at you ?

 

[POTTER]

May be in 1947 some Pakistanis were similar to some indians but 70 years has changed us. Now we have becomes a mixtures of 5 races. Indians please don't shit here go find some rail tracks please.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Read again what I said...
"U would be HARD PRESSED to find a "pure" race without any mixing". This means that while it's not impossible...the exceptions are few. Those include any uncontacted tribes(whether on Andaman island or deep in the Amazon region).

It's not difficult,any tribe which has been away from any major route would have pure race without mixing,and there are lot and lot of them.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Greeks...Persians and guess what turks. Why did you choose to stop at a specific timeline and ignored everything else that happened after it? Did Pakistan stay on pause all those centuries?

I am going off of genetic research and results. Greeks, Persians and Turkic People have contributed little to bloodline of mainstream Pakistani ethnic groups. Such influence is only in the case of anomaly groups such as Hazaras, Burusho and Derhwars.

The third most significant component is that of Steppe migrants that came after the Indo-Aryans such as the Kushans, Bactrians, Scythians and others but their contribution pales in comparison to our two main components.

May be in 1947 some Pakistanis were similar to some indians but 70 years has changed us. Now we have becomes a mixtures of 5 races. Indians please don't shit here go find some rail tracks please.

It's actually the opposite, the population exchange that occurred in 1947 slightly brought us genetically closer to Indians as a whole average.

 

[B.K.N]

On topic- Pashtuns and Balochis of Pakistan could certainly be clubbed as Central Asians. But Punjabis, Sindhis and Muhajirs ?

There is a large population of Baloch in Sindh don't know what is percentage
Most of the influential Sindhi politicians are Baloch
From the tribes like jatoi talpur marri magsi etc
Then there are seraiki Baloch
Punjabis of eastern areas of Pakistani Punjab are related to sikh punjabis

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

There is a large population of Baloch in Sindh don't know what is percentage
Most of the influential Sindhi politicians are Baloch
From the tribes like jatoi talpur marri magsi etc
Then there are seraiki Baloch
Punjabis of eastern areas of Pakistani Punjab are related to sikh punjabis

Do you have any estimates of how many Sindhis and Punjabis are of Baloch origin ?

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Punjabis and Sindhis were a historic Persian speaking people like the rest of Pakistan, and this has been in recorded history since at least the Kushans of the first century, who were themselves Bactrian speakers.

They are not directly related to modern Indians, and only started to share commonalities in language much later in history. For e.g., the Punjabi language was largely formed after the thirteenth century, while Persian remained the official language of the Pakistan region until the late 19th century.

The land that compromises modern-day Pakistan has always been an Indo-Aryan speaking region (post-Harrapan), even that of KPK. Persian was a court language for some dynasties, correct, but for the vast majority of our ancestors, they (or at one time) largely spoke an Indo-Aryan language.

You are right that Punjabi was developed around the 13th century, but before that, they spoke Indo-Aryan languages, such as Gandhari of KPK, East Afghanistan and North Punjab. These languages would combine, mix, develop and mutate to create the various Indo-Aryan dialects/languages of Pakistan today such as Punjabi, Sindhi, Seraiki, Hindko, Dardic, Pahari, etc...

However, our native languages are only spoken by around 3-4% of the Indian Population, so a linguistic connection to Indians is a bit irrelevant. When they bring up Pakistanis being able to speak/understand "Urdu-Hindi", they need to realize that Urdu is a language that we adopted (like English) and only around 8% of Pakistanis speak Urdu as their mother tongue. Prior to 1947, hardly anyone in modern-day Pakistan spoke Urdu.

 

[bananarepublic]

So we have gone from al-bakistani to mountain dwellers

I dont like this sweeping mentality of uniform ethnicity in Pakistan.
Pakistan will always remain a multi-ethnic nation and this diversity is what makes us strong.
Its pathetic to see fellow Pakistani's trying to lump themselves with arabs or persians or central asian.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

There is a large population of Baloch in Sindh don't know what is percentage
Most of the influential Sindhi politicians are Baloch
From the tribes like jatoi talpur marri magsi etc
Then there are seraiki Baloch
Punjabis of eastern areas of Pakistani Punjab are related to sikh punjabis

Do you have any estimates of how many Sindhis and Punjabis are of Baloch origin ?

All major Pakistani ethnic groups cluster together and share a very close genetic admixture. Pashtuns, Punjabis, Sindhis, Baloch, Kashmiris, etc... are closer to each other than any other ethnic group in terms of genetics.

Go over the data graphs I shared earlier.

 

[krash]

We NEVER spoke Persian before that.

That is not the marker for cultural influence at all. Persian wasn't the dominant language in most of Iran itself for hundreds of years, still isn't the sole language there (Much like Urdu in Pakistan). The Persians literally ruled, on and off, over most of what is today Pakistan since 550 BCE.

The Achaemenid Empire (550–330 BCE):

Pashto, Balochi and Darri are three major examples of Iranic languages endemic to Pakistan. Pashto, btw, is the second most spoken Iranic language after Persian and can be traced BCE. Don't think I need to state the Iranic genetic influences on Balochis, Pukhtoons, Darris, Hazaras, etc.

It's very natural, tbh. Pakistan lays smack on the crossroads of the ancient and the modern worlds. There aren't many major civilisations that haven't camped or passed through here. If you read Alexander's historians' accounts, you'll find that there was European influence here even before his conquest. There is a reason why this relatively small patch of land is ethnically, linguistically and culturally so heterogeneous; we are still settling in.

All that is not to say that we are Iranic or any other foreign group. We are natives (since when is up for debate) of the land who have had a lot of external influence. Urdu is beautifully analogous to our people. It has words from Persian, Arabic, Turkish, Hindi, English, and a fair few others but is itself none of them. We are Pakistanis, we are a boiling pot, we are unlike any other.

No wonder our Indian friends here want so desperately to be associated with us.

 

[Hamza913]

That is not the marker for cultural influence at all. Persian wasn't the dominant language in most of Iran itself for hundreds of years, still isn't the sole language there (Much like Urdu in Pakistan). The Persians literally ruled, on and off, over most of what is today Pakistan since 550 BC.

The Achaemenid Empire (550–330 BC):

Pashto, Balochi and Darri are three major examples of Iranic languages endemic to Pakistan. Pashto, btw, is the second most spoken Iranic language after Persian and can be traced BCE. Don't think I need to state the Iranic genetic influences on Balochis, Pukhtoons, Darris, Hazaras, etc.

It's very natural, tbh. Pakistan lays smack on the crossroads of the ancient and the modern worlds. There aren't many major civilisations that haven't camped or passed through here. If you read Alexander's historians' accounts, you'll find that there was European influence here even before his conquest.

All that is not to say that we are Iranic or any other foreign group. We are natives of the land who have had a lot of external influence. Urdu is beautifully analogous to our people. It has words from Persian, Arabic, Turkish, Hindi, English, and a fair few others but is itself none of them. We are Pakistanis, we are a boiling pot, we are unlike any other. No wonder our Indian friends here want so desperately to be associated with us.

Iranic is fine, but to exclusively say Persian is incorrect.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

That is not the marker for cultural influence at all. Persian wasn't the dominant language in most of Iran itself for hundreds of years, still isn't the sole language there (Much like Urdu in Pakistan). The Persians literally ruled, on and off, over most of what is today Pakistan since 550 BC.

The Achaemenid Empire (550–330 BC):

Pashto, Balochi and Darri are three major examples of Iranic languages endemic to Pakistan. Pashto, btw, is the second most spoken Iranic language after Persian and can be traced BCE. Don't think I need to state the Iranic genetic influences on Balochis, Pukhtoons, Darris, Hazaras, etc.

It's very natural, tbh. Pakistan lays smack on the crossroads of the ancient and the modern worlds. There aren't many major civilisations that haven't camped or passed through here. If you read Alexander's historians' accounts, you'll find that there was European influence here even before his conquest.

All that is not to say that we are Iranic or any other foreign group. We are natives of the land who have had a lot of external influence. Urdu is beautifully analogous to our people. It has words from Persian, Arabic, Turkish, Hindi, English, and a fair few others but is itself none of them. We are Pakistanis, we are a boiling pot, we are unlike any other. No wonder our Indian friends here want so desperately to be associated with us.

Pakistan is like Brazil in terms of the mixture of the people.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

That is not the marker for cultural influence at all. Persian wasn't the dominant language in most of Iran itself for hundreds of years, still isn't the sole language there (Much like Urdu in Pakistan). The Persians literally ruled, on and off, over most of what is today Pakistan since 550 BC.

The Achaemenid Empire (550–330 BC):

The Achaemenids didn't technically "rule" modern-day Pakistan, they had invaded and forced the defeated polities to become tributary states. These polities were largely autonomous, had their own kings and armies, hence Persian influence was minimal. When Alexander arrived, there was no evidence of any Persian remnants.

 

[Shah_Deu]

We are Pakistanis, we are a boiling pot, we are unlike any other. No wonder our Indian friends here want so desperately to be associated with us.

They are obsessed with us man! literally. It shows their national inferiority complex. I wouldn't blame them, its a baggage from their history.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Pashto, Balochi and Darri are three major examples of Iranic languages endemic to Pakistan. Pashto, btw, is the second most spoken Iranic language after Persian and can be traced BCE. Don't think I need to state the Iranic genetic influences on Balochis, Pukhtoons, Darris, Hazaras, etc.

Pashto came much later and wasn't a dominant language in modern-day KPK which largely spoke an Indo-Aryan language known as Gandhari until 800-1000 AD.