LY-80 deliveries to Pakistan complete

[khanasifm]

 

[CT-9914 "Snoop"]

Should order Nine more with 6 HQ-9

should order modern SAMs and not Chinese "upgrades" of older Soviet systems.

Because it is a losing proposition. Forget Pakistan, even the US cannot put enough SAM systems to protect all of its cities.

Focus has to be on VPs that can sustain the country in times of war.

Israel pretty much can and given the geopolitical similarities between them and us (lack of strategic depth and a numerically superior enemy) we should be able to put up a similar air defence.

 

[TOPGUN]

Thori roshni dalain please

Brother, Roshni has been shown several times on here and on the web where at has shown long rang missile systems of Chinese origin parked at a Pakistani base I think the best kept things are kept under wrap for a reason

 

[Arsalan 345]

Hi Arsalan,

LRSAMs can be used in a number of ways. The typical way it is employed in Pakistan presently is to protect high value targets. However, it could be used nearer the border, as a first line of defence, a barbed wire fence, if you will. If you do this from mobile, constantly changing locations, it becomes an active defense system, if not outright an offensive system.



Imagine if we could build a local system and build them in numbers. It would be a gamechanger for sure and would make IAF's job a nightmare. This is particularly true because of our extensive integrated radar and air defense network, that can choose any shooter for a given target.

i completely agree with your idea.i think our engineers also want to share their expertise.we need to hire people.we should fund them.we can make anything.i trust our people.they are smart and intelligent.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

How would we protect our tanks in battle ground against Indian Apaches?? LY 80s will be used?

 

[Rafi]

How would we protect our tanks in battle ground against Indian Apaches?? LY 80s will be used?

Sharks with lasers on their heads.

 

[Amigator]

How would we protect our tanks in battle ground against Indian Apaches?? LY 80s will be used?

Hq-7

 

[Arsalan]

Hi Arsalan,

LRSAMs can be used in a number of ways. The typical way it is employed in Pakistan presently is to protect high value targets. However, it could be used nearer the border, as a first line of defence, a barbed wire fence, if you will. If you do this from mobile, constantly changing locations, it becomes an active defense system, if not outright an offensive system.

Still defensive role as you have also pointed out not, "active defence" you said but not offensive weapons.

Yes they may be deployed closer to border to serve as first line of defense but that is not practical really and you don't see many countries doing that, there must be a good reason! If we have some local system and we produce them in number we may be able to allocate some mobile systems to forward bases and border areas but cannot risk HIGH VALUE expensive limited number of imported SAMs by putting them near border and within enemy hit range. A land launched rocket may hit them, a few hundred thousand shell destroying a multi-million dollar system, not very wise. For that to be remotely sensible you need a cheap multi-layered home grown solution. LRSAM protected by medium range protected by point defence and QR systems. A very complex setup.

So ideally the surface to air missiles will continue to be deployed in defensive roles to protect key strategic assets.

 

[War Thunder]

While some of you might be right regarding what the military could order, you’re not right regarding what the military should do. You don’t know the finances and the issues with trade and transfer and buying. Or raising units or training men for them. You know nothing of the on ground realties. So stop complaining about what the military does while you sit in in your homes please. The generals planning this aren’t dumb, they’re also rational people like you but with at least 3-4 decades more experience. It’s not as simple as just seeing an issue and fixing it. There’s multiple layers involved. Think rationally. Not ideally. And don’t think or speak at all when you don’t know the cause of the issue and it’s circumstance.
On topic: I believe there will be more additions. Just with different systems. Our military does like to be diverse it seems. Procurement can’t just completely stop. We won’t have 9 batteries forever. So be patient.

Alright they don;t know the issue.
But you supposedly do.
How about you add some logic behind your statement instead of just dropping in with a "you don;t know", I know, generals know but you don't know.

 

[R Wing]

While some of you might be right regarding what the military could order, you’re not right regarding what the military should do. You don’t know the finances and the issues with trade and transfer and buying. Or raising units or training men for them. You know nothing of the on ground realties. So stop complaining about what the military does while you sit in in your homes please. The generals planning this aren’t dumb, they’re also rational people like you but with at least 3-4 decades more experience. It’s not as simple as just seeing an issue and fixing it. There’s multiple layers involved. Think rationally. Not ideally. And don’t think or speak at all when you don’t know the cause of the issue and it’s circumstance.
On topic: I believe there will be more additions. Just with different systems. Our military does like to be diverse it seems. Procurement can’t just completely stop. We won’t have 9 batteries forever. So be patient.

I partially agree with you --- however, "the generals" have made huge strategic errors and continue to do so, so experience and a basic level of rationality doesn't seem to be enough to cut it. We need next-level visionaries and geniuses in the top ranks who have the audacity and creativity to implement new forms of warfare and define new strategic realities (rather than being a reactive bunch.)

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Still defensive role as you have also pointed out not, "active defence" you said but not offensive weapons.

Yes they may be deployed closer to border to serve as first line of defense but that is not practical really and you don't see many countries doing that, there must be a good reason! If we have some local system and we produce them in number we may be able to allocate some mobile systems to forward bases and border areas but cannot risk HIGH VALUE expensive limited number of imported SAMs by putting them near border and within enemy hit range. A land launched rocket may hit them, a few hundred thousand shell destroying a multi-million dollar system, not very wise. For that to be remotely sensible you need a cheap multi-layered home grown solution. LRSAM protected by medium range protected by point defence and QR systems. A very complex setup.
How would we protect our tanks in battle ground against Indian Apaches?? LY 80s will be used?
So ideally the surface to air missiles will continue to be deployed in defensive roles to protect key strategic assets.

Still defensive role as you have also pointed out not, "active defence" you said but not offensive weapons.

Yes they may be deployed closer to border to serve as first line of defense but that is not practical really and you don't see many countries doing that, there must be a good reason! If we have some local system and we produce them in number we may be able to allocate some mobile systems to forward bases and border areas but cannot risk HIGH VALUE expensive limited number of imported SAMs by putting them near border and within enemy hit range. A land launched rocket may hit them, a few hundred thousand shell destroying a multi-million dollar system, not very wise. For that to be remotely sensible you need a cheap multi-layered home grown solution. LRSAM protected by medium range protected by point defence and QR systems. A very complex setup.

So ideally the surface to air missiles will continue to be deployed in defensive roles to protect key strategic assets.

 

[Signalian]

How would we protect our tanks in battle ground against Indian Apaches?? LY 80s will be used?

RBS-70 on M-113

Hi Arsalan,

LRSAMs can be used in a number of ways. The typical way it is employed in Pakistan presently is to protect high value targets. However, it could be used nearer the border, as a first line of defence, a barbed wire fence, if you will. If you do this from mobile, constantly changing locations, it becomes an active defense system, if not outright an offensive system.

The uncovered SAM part is a mobile sam with good altitude and range capability to move along PA Armor, rest all is most covered in defense.

Why not long range SAMs? After all today's war is all about stand off weapons.

If God forbid there is a war, there will be very few cross border incursions. Hypothetically, India can fire all ground targeting weapons while staying at a distance inside their own borders.

A bit difficult for India to do that if war is taken on their turf.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

RBS-70 on M-113


The uncovered SAM part is a mobile sam with good altitude and range capability to move along PA Armor, rest all is most covered in defense.


A bit difficult for India to do that if war is taken on their turf.

But its range is only 8 km maximum

 

[Signalian]

I partially agree with you --- however, "the generals" have made huge strategic errors and continue to do so, so experience and a basic level of rationality doesn't seem to be enough to cut it. We need next-level visionaries and geniuses in the top ranks who have the audacity and creativity to implement new forms of warfare and define new strategic realities (rather than being a reactive bunch.)

what are you on and about ? which strategic error ?

But its range is only 8 km maximum

so ?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

what are you on and about ? which strategic error ?


so ?

Doesn't apaches missiles have greater range? They can destroy m 113