Lt General Nadeem Anjum appointed as DG ISI

[blueazure]

Did Military follow the procedure?

Was PM willing to follow the procedure?

was there a quarrel over selecting a particular person?

can you please answers to those questions

jab bajwa ko extension de, tab procedure follow hua ?

^^ this one line is answer to all your questions

 

[ARMalik]

No use as COAS like Bajwa likes to intervene in all such issues and make it into a topi drama.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Why you are taking too much of interest into fanboys? C'mon man... we can do better than that. Let the boys speak for themselves and let us indulge into something positive.

The reason of my argument is to put Pakistan first. Follow the law, follow the procedure, upheld the Dignity.

Speaking of FIA/IB as compare to ISI, is a whole different ball game. How CIA works alongside FBI and NS. Whole of Armed Forces reports to PM. ISI reports to PM. Transfer Posting V/s Appointment, is the confusion here if you look at it.

There's no meddling in the process or institute. The foray comes to play due to Constitutional litigation. Why don't you understand that? This is what I am saying.

I told you before, there's no person idolism for me especially on the political side.

Military meddling in politics don't prove that PM notification is wrong or to be taken away. If it is against the constitution, why do we miss any uproar on the floor of parliament at all? Do you think opposition will miss such opportunity and not to move against PM since if he is meddling into affairs? If IK went against constitution, I will be more happy to see him being roughed-up either by opposition or law itself.

DG ISI is answerable to COAS or briefs PM on discretion of PM, have nothing to do with notification at hand. Do you know what Constitution makes a PM for all the armed forces? It is Inter Services Intelligence. We have MI to report to COAS as well.

Whether a DG ISI or any other appointment, is bound by the law of institute for a certain period of time and the official gets transferred/posted. Where constitution says that DG ISI can only be notified by COAS or CJSC and not the PM?

Evaluation of a 3 Star being better than other, is based upon sole input by the CO/HoD. You might know well about ACRs/PRs etc being sent to higher authorities in this regard.

Again the fanboyism is not solely based upon having blood relations or an officer was like a filmy hero during his tenure. The fan base comes after the performance and how an officer did so on the field for country and recognized accordingly. If it was pure fanboyism, I will say that Ex DG ISPR/Lt. Gen Asif Ghafoor was supposed to be a COAS directly with hands down. But it is not like that. In civilian world, the fans will keep calling and appraising for the officers being on the screen. This is all a civilian can do. I don't see much of civilians do know about the officers being real heroes. The reason is that, none of them are on TV or in the news. I don't blame fans or civilians for this.

So brother in other words you are not a fanboy but ................ anyways......

You better knows more than anyone else on this forum

 

[The Eagle]

So brother in other words you are not a fanboy but ................ anyways......

You better knows more than anyone else on this forum

I am not even a fanboy that may know more than me. I never knew more than anyone else and you can understand it after reading properly what I said.

 

[PanzerKiel]

There was a special reason of this COAS special visit to ISI HQ on 19 October, with a special message.

@The Eagle @Blacklight

 

[Ghessan]

jab bajwa ko extension de, tab procedure follow hua ?

^^ this one line is answer to all your questions

You really need to grow up and talk some sense.

 

[Norwegian]

jab bajwa ko extension de, tab procedure follow hua ?

^^ this one line is answer to all your questions

Nope. That's why matter ended in Supreme Court. This time again GHQ didn't follow procedure and it could also end in SC if PM Imran Khan had not intervened

 

[TsAr]

I think this discussion needs to end now, issue has been resolved amicably, so lets move on.

 

[Maarkhoor]

I think this discussion needs to end now, issue has been resolved amicably, so lets move on.

 

[R Wing]

1) Why should I? I'm not the one sitting on hot coals, at great infallible leader, taking one U turn, after the other. I am actually very happy at imbeciles exposing themselves.

2) The relevant article was published on this very forum, recently on another thread.

If you aren't impressed by IK and his team's governance effectiveness so far, that's fine.

But if you are suggesting that the corrupt-to-the-bone nepotistic clowns of PPP and PMLN are 'better' for the country --- that is a questionable stance.

If you say: all are terrible --- some are so corrupt that they eroded all institutions and operated on a monarchy-model and the others are not as corrupt but are incompetent leaders, I can still respect that.

 

[Blacklight]

If you aren't impressed by IK and his team's governance effectiveness so far, that's fine.

But if you are suggesting that the corrupt-to-the-bone nepotistic clowns of PPP and PMLN are 'better' for the country --- that is a questionable stance.

If you say: all are terrible --- some are so corrupt that they eroded all institutions and operated on a monarchy-model and the others are not as corrupt but are incompetent leaders, I can still respect that.

Sir, on record for calling out noora, ghadari and their lovers.

 

[Reichmarshal]

Wt i have heard is very outlandish to say the least, is that this date of 20th was recommended by some fortune teller to imran n that was the reason for the delay

 

[R Wing]

Sir, on record for calling out noora, ghadari and their lovers.

Excellent. The reality is that everyone and everything has failed (mil rule, all pol parties, etc.) --- signaling that our society and state is at a very critical juncture in which the system is not allowing (or attracting) good people. It's all over.

 

[Dreamer.]

1) Why should I? I'm not the one sitting on hot coals, at great infallible leader, taking one U turn, after the other. I am actually very happy at imbeciles exposing themselves.

2) The relevant article was published on this very forum, recently on another thread.

No harm in your posting it here then.

However the only thing I saw in any thread seemed to suggest that the authority is indeed with the PM in consultation with president. COAS has no role at all. But that mentioned rule was nothing but a joke. One can ask @Jungibaaz .

Nomination of DG ISI is my authority: PM Imran Khan says in cabinet meeting today

Imran Khan from day one has been appointing /transferring bureaucrats like a dictator. Commanding promotions and appointments in army, is next phase and was writing on the wall for those who have little bit of common sense. Last time Zardari did the same, he appointed airforce cheif, naval...

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Were you referring to that post or was the 'relevant article' posted somewhere else?

Dear Brother, Answer is easy, if one is ready to put Pakistan first, and not individuals.

Throwing a hissy fit at the change of guard has nothing to do with, who retires when. People come, people go, Institutions carry on, and ones that work well, should not be meddled with at all, it is nothing less than criminal to do so. Wouldn't you agree?

Unfortunately when megalomaniacs put people first, and institutions later, due to their own personal agendas, they mess thing s up royally. Sadly, THIS trait is common in all three, major political parties.

Whatever political party you belong to, you cant dispute the fact that ISI is good, at what it does. On the contrary FIA and IB under civilian control are toothless tigers, and testament to why civilian meddling should be negated in critical institutions.

When people dont like the military meddling in civilian affairs, the same should hold true for military institutions?

Coming back to topic on hand:

1) The issue of appointing DG ISI by PM, has no constitutional backing, it is only out of courtesy. IK should not punch above his weight, and burn the one good thing going for him.

2) DG ISI is only answerable to the COAS or CJCSC, briefing the PM is at the discretion of the COAS or CJCSC.

3) When or if, DG ISI goes beyond defined ROE he can be retired / transferred, and a replacement appointed, without any civilian input, at the sole discretion of the COAS or CJCSC.

People have to start asking why one 3 star, is better than another one?

Is there usually an "OR" in military command? Do you mean that when it comes to the ISI, the military itself is confused? Or are you suggesting that COAS has been usurping the authority of CJCSC all this time?

Why blame the Poor & Innocent politicians then?

As to fanboys thinking that their favorite 3 star will one day become COAS, need to understand that a certain academic acumen is also required, to lead, unarguably, the best institution in the country.

Ok, so that's why Nawaz appointed Raheel and Bajwa, and why Geelani and Imran could appoint no one.

 

[Dreamer.]

There was a special reason of this COAS special visit to ISI HQ on 19 October, with a special message.
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@The Eagle @Blacklight

Off topic I know, but just out of interest what is written on the arm patch of the rightmost person in the picture? And what branch/unit etc. does the patch belong to?