Lt General Nadeem Anjum appointed as DG ISI

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The last DG put a closure to the Afgan conundrum to some extent. The present DG needs to show his mettle at the domestic front against the proxy traitor and terrorist Mafias in politics, bureaucracy, judiciary, business, media etc. And, they’re the hardest hurdles for they are the best secret weapons of the Satanic Imperialists hell bent to kill Pak from inside….

We will make an example out of Pak….

We will bomb Pak back into the Stone Age….

These are their policy statements….

Pak has no alternative to victory…..

 

[R Wing]

There is actually a case for creating an overarching agency which is NOT headed directly by either the Army Chief, or the President/Prime Minister. And the case is international assassinations and black ops. If an international operation goes haywire, and the agency is headed directly by top leadership, the leader will cop the fallout. Instead of talking about 'civilian supremacy' or 'military might', we should be thinking about creating a structure where, internally there is complete clarity on who reports to whom and where the power centre really lies, but externally no one can identify who is actually running the show.

This is the realm of visionary leaders, not the lot we've been stuck with for the past 6-7 decades.

The last DG put a closure to the Afgan conundrum to some extent. The present DG needs to show his mettle at the domestic front against the proxy traitor and terrorist Mafias in politics, bureaucracy, judiciary, business, media etc. And, they’re the hardest hurdles for they are the best secret weapons of the Satanic Imperialists hell bent to kill Pak from inside….

We will make an example out of Pak….

We will bomb Pak back into the Stone Age….

These are their policy statements….

Pak has no alternative to victory…..

None ever has.

Let's see if the new one can do something that the previous dozen failed to.

 

[Signalian]

Its such a pity that when Army/ISI is seen through a biased lens of political realm only then the thoughts will obviously get clouded.

 

[R Wing]

Its such a pity that when Army/ISI is seen through a biased lens of political realm only then the thoughts will obviously get clouded.

By all objective standards, including by the admission of its various high-level offrs over the years, the ISI needs serious reform and needs to equip itself with much more sophisticated and deeply-penetrating external covert action capacity. So much political involvement/interference (since it is also responsible for a good deal of internal security/stability) takes away from the mission mentioned above --- one man can only handle so much, which is why there are separate external/internal agencies in almost all developed nations (China and Turkey are the big exceptions, but even in Turkey the MIT is free from Army interference --- in fact, their now-previous HQ was attacked by Army helicopters in the coup attempt.)

 

[Signalian]

By all objective standards, including by the admission of its various high-level offrs over the years, the ISI needs serious reform and needs to equip itself with much more sophisticated and deeply-penetrating external covert action capacity. So much political involvement/interference (since it is also responsible for a good deal of internal security/stability) takes away from the mission mentioned above --- one man can only handle so much, which is why there are separate external/internal agencies in almost all developed nations (China and Turkey are the big exceptions, but even in Turkey the MIT is free from Army interference --- in fact, their now-previous HQ was attacked by Army helicopters in the coup attempt.)

Have you served in isi ?

 

[R Wing]

Have you served in isi ?

I wouldn't make strong statements like the above without having experienced and/or discussed the above with people who matter over the past decade.

Top reform agenda (as put forth by myself and others) includes:
-total revamp of recruiting modalities to attract/retain/cultivate top civilian talent and reverse the 'brain drain' (like the CIA, Mossad, MI6, etc., recruit from campuses, have 'genius' camps, etc.)
-potential internal/external split (creation of a new agency; unlikely since no DG wants to dilute his own power!)
-potential reorganization around functionality to improve force multiplier effects

Let's just say I didn't dream about the stuff I post about

Are you from the Corps of Signals? Served in the Wing where a lot of you guys do?

 

[Signalian]

I wouldn't make strong statements like the above without having experienced and/or discussed the above with people who matter over the past decade.

Top reform agenda (as put forth by myself and others) includes:
-total revamp of recruiting modalities to attract/retain/cultivate top civilian talent and reverse the 'brain drain' (like the CIA, Mossad, MI6, etc., recruit from campuses, have 'genius' camps, etc.)
-potential internal/external split (creation of a new agency; unlikely since no DG wants to dilute his own power!)
-potential reorganization around functionality to improve force multiplier effects

Let's just say I didn't dream about the stuff I post about

The drawback in “experiencing” and discussions is getting different point of views from left and right while not having a responsibility on own shoulders to feel the burden of task up front personally in that dte or department. The same is with discussing postings and talking about top brass especially corps commanders meetings and related developments. No one here on PDF sits in MS Dte or serves in ISI. Chunks of point of views from here and there make up all the discussion in the threads. From the posts, It seems that most of such information comes from disgruntled individuals who may have connections behind doors but fail to give a reasonable unbiased account of what actually happened. By the time the information trickles down to PDF, strong, infact biased opinions have already been formed by members who have never bore the burden of task assigned in any of the mentioned official Dte or departments. And this is just the tip of the iceberg which then directs a pathway in forming opinions by other, less informed members.

 

[ghazi52]

Change of Command Ceremony held at Corps Headquarters #Karachi today. Lieutenant General Nadeem Ahmed Anjum hands over Command of 5 Corps Karachi to Lieutenant General Muhammad Saeed

 

[R Wing]

The drawback in “experiencing” and discussions is getting different point of views from left and right while not having a responsibility on own shoulders to feel the burden of task up front personally in that dte or department. The same is with discussing postings and talking about top brass especially corps commanders meetings and related developments. No one here on PDF sits in MS Dte or serves in ISI. Chunks of point of views from here and there make up all the discussion in the threads. From the posts, It seems that most of such information comes from disgruntled individuals who may have connections behind doors but fail to give a reasonable unbiased account of what actually happened. By the time the information trickles down to PDF, strong, infact biased opinions have already been formed by members who have never bore the burden of task assigned in any of the mentioned official Dte or departments. And this is just the tip of the iceberg which then directs a pathway in forming opinions by other, less informed members.

Of course I understand your point --- and I mainly agree with it, but not fully. You are suggesting that someone without skin in the game must be wrong and must be disgruntled. Many can be, but this isn't necessarily true.

I've had substantial responsibility (relative to age), as many in the forces do. I've also had the pleasure and displeasure of working with several imp figures within the setup and I am fortunate that they take the time to sometimes listen to my ideas.

While outsiders have no real notion of how things actually work, many fauji insiders are also not trained to think creatively or independently, as the weight of a bureaucratic "yessir" culture and promotion-anxiety, etc., hinder independent thought and analysis. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

I really like what you're saying in terms of having skin in the game. One of my fav quotes is:
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”

 

[muhammadhafeezmalik]

If you aren't impressed by IK and his team's governance effectiveness so far, that's fine.

But if you are suggesting that the corrupt-to-the-bone nepotistic clowns of PPP and PMLN are 'better' for the country --- that is a questionable stance.

If you say: all are terrible --- some are so corrupt that they eroded all institutions and operated on a monarchy-model and the others are not as corrupt but are incompetent leaders, I can still respect that.

Corruption mantra is favorite time pass for our nations of 3rd world, favorite hide for our failure.

 

[R Wing]

We need to be more aggressive in Kashmir now since Afghanistan is clear.
The more we pressure india in Kashmir the less resources they have to support terrorists in Pakistan.

We "need" and "should do many things --- unfortunately, Pakistan leadership typically does what suits its own tenure in power. Status quo reigns supreme and generals are typically too scared to rock the boat. The COAS has a monopoly on national security and treats the ISI like a personal spy agency (which it is not). Lots of reform needed.

BTW, I totally agree with you. But both the generals and the politicians sold out IOK long ago --- let's hope they have enough sense to heat things up there.