Lt General Nadeem Anjum appointed as DG ISI

[Sayfullah]

Pakistan needs a Islamic presidential system to solve all its issues

 

[CriticalThought]

If the law says it has to be done by the PM, then no ego shall interrupt the process. Let's call spade a spade and do it rightly. Institute at its place same as like politician doing his/her own work.

Please show us where the law says the PM must interview multiple candidates and choose one? Where does the law allow the PM to hinder the normal functioning of army by knowingly delaying notification, thus causing irreparable damage to the institution and the careers of upstanding officers? Where does the law allow the PM to run the name of upstanding officers into the ground by creating a controversy in their name?

I will repeat, these are the only facts available:

1. ISPR knowingly published the name before the notification was issued.
2. Imran Khan knowingly withheld the notification causing damage to institution.
3. In the end Imran Khan has forward dated the notification without providing any justification.

This is interference in the internal matters of the institution without providing just cause and outside the remit of law.

 

[The Eagle]

Please show us where the law says the PM must interview multiple candidates and choose one? Where does the law allow the PM to hinder the normal functioning of army by knowingly delaying notification, thus causing irreparable damage to the institution and the careers of upstanding officers? Where does the law allow the PM to run the name of upstanding officers into the ground by creating a controversy in their name?

I will repeat, these are the only facts available:

1. ISPR knowingly published the name before the notification was issued.
2. Imran Khan knowingly withheld the notification causing damage to institution.
3. In the end Imran Khan has forward dated the notification without providing any justification.

This is interference in the internal matters of the institution without providing just cause and outside the remit of law.

That proves you have zero idea about the practice. You named it with controversy while it was about following the law. I will urge you to read constitution & the procedure to notify the DG ISI or what authority PM has or who can do it or how it has to be done. Speaking of law to interview, I cannot spoon feed on this. There are candidates for the post with references by the MoD so the PM has authority to interview ... ye he can... If you have a law that proves he couldn't then please share. If you have the law that says PM cannot notify DG ISI then please share. If you have the law that says PM cannot select DG ISI then please share.

The whole controversy is created by self claimed analysts and those who needs to sell their choran regardless of subject or their knowledge. Tankeed baraye tankeed.... by the habitual lot. Even if it wasn't happening the way it happened; we would have seen more of taunts or controversies like PM was not even referred, look he has not authority... I mean, being human & Pakistani especially, some of us are not going to settle for anything but their ego.

 

[TsAr]

Wt i have heard is very outlandish to say the least, is that this date of 20th was recommended by some fortune teller to imran n that was the reason for the delay

it could be true but I think he wanted the DG to stay for another 6 months, but then intentionally delayed it for a month, since we all know that he is a bit of a ziddi bacha..

 

[Dreamer.]

What post? There was only fluff.

Lol, sure downplay what you can't answer. It's ok.

Well if polticians werent corrupt and incompetent, we wouldnt be in the mess we are.......

Actually the bigger messes were all created by Generals. Sure, politicians made messes too.

Nonetheless, it is a free country, feel free to dream whatever suits your fancy.

Absolutely.

 

[Trailer23]

All this Drama & for what?

 

[Blacklight]

Lol, sure downplay what you can't answer. It's ok.

Nothing to answer, IK bit more than he can chew, and did his usual U Turn. Now his supporters and pseudo intellectuals are twisting in the wind trying to justify it and deflect.

 

[BATMAN]

Please show us where the law says the PM must interview multiple candidates and choose one? Where does the law allow the PM to hinder the normal functioning of army by knowingly delaying notification, thus causing irreparable damage to the institution and the careers of upstanding officers? Where does the law allow the PM to run the name of upstanding officers into the ground by creating a controversy in their name?

I will repeat, these are the only facts available:

1. ISPR knowingly published the name before the notification was issued.
2. Imran Khan knowingly withheld the notification causing damage to institution.
3. In the end Imran Khan has forward dated the notification without providing any justification.

This is interference in the internal matters of the institution without providing just cause and outside the remit of law.

You are absolutely right, the 3 counts you mentioned are simply facts, not your opinion.

Those who says institutional promotions, transfers in military should be defined by Imran Khan, are WRONG to say the least.

However, just for the sake of argument, we temporarily agree to the claim that there's some mysterious constitutional clause, which allow Imran Khan to over rule choice of institution in appointment of DG ISI, than what about the rest of the appointments, like DG rangers & core commanders etc. ??? Or perhaps this so called constitution is explicitly for DG ISI appointment?

If you look at the appointment of Governor state bank... where Imran Khan was not given any choice or perhaps more likely prerogative JIN of Imran Khan was sleeping than.

Now the two arguments which i made above are by no means any conclusive remarks, but it's only an attempt to call the bluff of constitutional right of Imran Khan and at the same time expose inherent hypocrisy in the prerogative of Imran Khan.

 

[The Eagle]

How appalling that a senior moderator should resort to fibbing and misrepresentation. It clearly shows that your priority is NOT to promote honest discussion, rather the promotion of propaganda that so far seems to suit Imran Khan. You are using a preeminent forum whose name gives it a perception of being close to the armed forces, to further the personal agenda of Imran Khan.

This article refutes every single lie you have posted above:

Unwarranted confrontation

Our law books either have old laws of colonial times or have no laws to deal with several critical national issues and hence we face various problems while

nation.com.pk

This shows you have yourself never read the constitution.

No need to judge me as if you don't have any evidence to back up your claims. However, you can state your opinion in a free democracy. So you are accusing me of lie? Therefore, I sad it earlier to not to get involved if you don't know anything. Wrong choice of words and very offensive of you are right now. Time for you to get down of your high horse.

 

[BATMAN]

Nothing to answer, IK bit more than he can chew, and did his usual U Turn. Now his supporters and pseudo intellectuals are twisting in the wind trying to justify it and deflect.

There are rumors that it was all drama being played out all along, purpose was to milk Saudis. In other words simple exploitation of relationships built by likes of Gen. Musharraf and Gen. Rhil Sharif.

Unwarranted confrontation

Our law books either have old laws of colonial times or have no laws to deal with several critical national issues and hence we face various problems while

nation.com.pk

Nice read. This definitely cement your opinion.

I wish you good health, and do take care precautionary measures for your self and family.

 

[BATMAN]

I'm not taking sides but if the civilian doesn't know how to run the govt. (again, not pointing fingers, just using it as an example) then the incompetence or lets say "lack of experience" will only hurt the nation in the long run.

Rules are good as long as they work as intended. If not? Then they're more like guidelines...

And all rules are less than guidelines to any Pakistani of any socio-economic background. That much is proven.

what you wrote is common sense, but what goes around in Pakistan is pure violation of such common sense, and amazingly you see public arguing in favor of nonsense, while calling you non-sense!

 

[R Wing]

Sir, I think you can safely assume, by my posts, that I am not a PTI supporter, or any political party supporter for that matter, in this particular case, this was not the issue, he is just buying time.




Unless we repent, as a nation, nothing will change.

Nobody is interested. A new elite, realizing the necessities of realpolitik and ruthlessly valuing talent and merit, can make a chance. I'd like to invite you to join this effort. I've been following your posts.

 

[BATMAN]

Has the policy of the ISI ever changed simply due to the change in command????

NO... so what difference does it make? useless topic

those who have something to hide, also have sense of insecurity, hence always like to have some degree of control over ISI, appointment of DG ISI sounds good starting point.
last time it was Zardari who tried to control Pasha. I'm sure, he also have a lot to hide.

 

[R Wing]

How appalling that a senior moderator should resort to fibbing and misrepresentation. It clearly shows that your priority is NOT to promote honest discussion, rather the promotion of propaganda that so far seems to suit Imran Khan. You are using a preeminent forum whose name gives it a perception of being close to the armed forces, to further the personal agenda of Imran Khan.

This article refutes every single lie you have posted above:

Unwarranted confrontation

Our law books either have old laws of colonial times or have no laws to deal with several critical national issues and hence we face various problems while

nation.com.pk

This shows you have yourself never read the constitution.

Been a while since I've seen a post from you.

As usual, ruthlessly on point.

There is NO written law in publicly available legislation (Constitution, any of the Mil acts, etc.) that provide a legal basis for a) the existence of the ISI and its exact functions, accountability, limits, etc., and b) the process of choosing a new DG.

It has all been happening on understanding/convention/tradition --- which is a pretty damn dangerous set of things to base something like this on.

The fact is that the disproportionate concentration of power around and monopolization of power by a single seat within the country/military (that of the COAS) is not healthy. Our entire IC needs restructuring with totally independent and dedicated internal/external agencies under Supreme Court oversight and nothing else (i.e. no pol or mil interference).

 

[CriticalThought]

Been a while since I've seen a post from you.

As usual, ruthlessly on point.

There is NO written law in publicly available legislation (Constitution, any of the Mil acts, etc.) that provide a legal basis for a) the existence of the ISI and its exact functions, accountability, limits, etc., and b) the process of choosing a new DG.

It has all been happening on understanding/convention/tradition --- which is a pretty damn dangerous set of things to base something like this on.

The fact is that the disproportionate concentration of power around and monopolization of power by a single seat within the country/military (that of the COAS) is not healthy. Our entire IC needs restructuring with totally independent and dedicated internal/external agencies under Supreme Court oversight and nothing else (i.e. no pol or mil interference).

There is actually a case for creating an overarching agency which is NOT headed directly by either the Army Chief, or the President/Prime Minister. And the case is international assassinations and black ops. If an international operation goes haywire, and the agency is headed directly by top leadership, the leader will cop the fallout. Instead of talking about 'civilian supremacy' or 'military might', we should be thinking about creating a structure where, internally there is complete clarity on who reports to whom and where the power centre really lies, but externally no one can identify who is actually running the show.