Light weight tanks for Pakistan Army

[White and Green with M/S]

PLA is trailing a new 4th generation ATGM as of now, forget about HJ-12.

Why according to previous zuhai Air show HJ-12 for export

 

[Scorpiooo]

Unless a completely full scale war is blown out, most of the skirmishes will be limited to LoC region even if that involves using heavy weapons systems or aerial platforms. Anything south of Kashmir is way too precious for both of us considering the major population centers, particularly Pak's punjab, sindh provinces and India's Gujarat & Punjab which are very important for our political elite. Also the terrains are plains which will make it harder for light tanks to ward off ATGM & drone attacks. Every general has an opinion on how and where a particular weapons platform could be used but given the fact that PLA can deploy these light tanks in disproportionate numbers...I believe all 350 if procure will be dedicated to our eastern front

That are getting 350 plus so they get ToT aswell to increase in numbers in future afterwards..

These light tanks will be 3rd gen plus , so mean they will advance with actuve protection and high manoeuvrability due to light wight as they demand tank less 25 ton. So they have some main additional role in India Army for these tanks

What You Need to Know About China's New Tank

The Type 15 is designed to go into places bigger, heavier tanks can’t go.

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The original t-59 is about 36 tons with 100 mm gun with fc for mountain ware fare on the western border

But I think with already built out fortifications and ATGW in place it’s wWI there [emoji6]
Worst case for Kashmir is much smaller border compare to indo China [emoji630]

Picking up a few t-15 a regiment or two about 60-80 will do

Sir t 59 is 1st generation tank which have completed there life right working on bonus ..

My opnion was to have light weight in limited numbers as you said...

The mountain terrain where India and China will place light tanks and utilize them is different from that of LOC bordering India and Pakistan. Its better to place more tanks in Sindh region and exploit the desert terrain rather than pushing them up peaks through very narrow corridors.

Ex indian general article which are shared, mentioned multiplu about eastern border and run of kuch for these placement

 

[IblinI]

Why according to previous zuhai Air show HJ-12 for export

it still does, I mean PLA after analysing, is being pessimistic about anything range under 5KM, which they believed the chance of survival for the ATGM unit are very low against morden MBT.

There is no room for HJ-12 to be inducted in PLA any more, instead a new HJ-16 is currently under trail..mounted and infantry version.

 

[Scorpiooo]

Any armoured vehicle weight around 15 to 20 tons will be effective considering the fire power and protection is has so it can be Tank, IFVs, APC with with guns etc ...
Any member can add other option as i have limited knowledge..

Point is here was if other power in region are inducting lighter but advanced tank agian in there army after they become obsolete for certian decades .. then they have find some role and requirements for these light tanks belong to 3rd plus generation in there force's

Even american have decided to induct light tank again and given compilation to 2 companies in 2018

Multiple countries working agian on advance 3rd gen light tanks, etc. Chinese, Russian, korean, turkish american and so on ...

Indian are looking to induct in large numbers with ToT as they know there ability after arjun experiment.

 

[vi-va]

I'd rather opt for an ATGM carrier similar to the M901ITV that can fire stronger ATGMs. It will outrange the tank and will also save on cost and weight.

Or invest in an type 16/centauro class vehicle. Nice 105mm gun with low weight and good mobility. But still the atgm carrier sounds cooler.

ATGMs and Tanks are not completely interchangeable. In small skirmish, ATGM is good. While in medium and large war scenarios, ATGM survivability is not positive.

ATGMs has no armor. ATGMs has no chance to survive under creeping barrage

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Pakistan Army's VT-4 Main Battle Tank | Updates & Discussions

Nowadays tanks are very vulnerable to ATGMs anyway so there really is no difference as far as capability goes between tanks, as long as it is available, modern and of good quality then any tank is good enough. Abrams used by mid east were quite weak, their armour get's penetrated by the oldest...

defence.pk

 

[vi-va]

TULPAR Light Tank (Turkey)

TULPAR Light Tank is the latest vehicle in the TULPAR family of multi-purpose armoured tracked vehicles developed by Otokar Otomotiv ve Savunma Sanayi.
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Otokar TULPAR Light Tank, Turkey

TULPAR Light Tank is the latest vehicle in the TULPAR family of multi-purpose armoured tracked vehicles developed by Otokar Otomotiv ve Savunma Sanayi.

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The light tank measures 7.23m-long and 3.45m-wide, and weighs up to 42t.
The TULPAR light tank is powered by a 16l, eight-cylinder, water-cooled V8 turbo charged diesel engine with a rated power output of 720hp (530kW).

Otokar TULPAR Light Tank, Turkey

TULPAR Light Tank is the latest vehicle in the TULPAR family of multi-purpose armoured tracked vehicles developed by Otokar Otomotiv ve Savunma Sanayi.

www.army-technology.com

Power/weight 17 hp/tonne, I don't think it's designed for high terrain

VT 5
1,000 hp (746 kW)
Power/weight 30.30 hp/tonne 27.8 hp/tonne (Armor package installed), designed for high terrain.

Type 15 tank - Wikipedia

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[KaiserX]

The PA should produce 300+ VT-5s. We can overhaul the al-zarrar retrofit plant into a completely new manufactering facility. Most of these tanks can be used along the afghan and kashmir border.

 

[redtom]

I don't think Pakistan needs light tanks.Light tanks are actually very offensive weapons.The Chinese Type 15 is also deployed in offensive units.The Type 15 targets not enemy tanks, but armoured vehicles and unarmed troops.From the Chinese thinking, the enemy's main force will be hit by long range fire first.The light armoured force, led by the Type 15, then pursued the scattered enemy.Wheeled armoured units would quickly move behind the enemy's rear to cut off their retreat and establish a blocking position.Humvee-style light troops then clean up the battlefield.

Pakistan is on the defensive against India and needs a sufficient number of main battle tanks to maintain multiple defensive positions.It is a waste of resources to spend on light tanks.

 

[Signalian]

Light tanks are actually very offensive weapons.

Rapidly deployable to far flung places and in some cases air transportable (Stryker MGS).

 

[redtom]

Rapidly deployable to far flung places and in some cases air transportable (Stryker MGS).

The logistical pressure in the remote area is too great.I don't think that's an effective strategy.Although light tanks can be transported by air, the cost of ammunition and fuel is also high.With months of preparation for any major conflict, the defenders are unlikely to be surprised.

Indian Army is stupid.Even if India buys light tanks, they still can't secure a supply line.If the tank is only used as a movable turret, the old tank is the best choice.

 

[vi-va]

I don't think Pakistan needs light tanks.Light tanks are actually very offensive weapons.The Chinese Type 15 is also deployed in offensive units.The Type 15 targets not enemy tanks, but armoured vehicles and unarmed troops.From the Chinese thinking, the enemy's main force will be hit by long range fire first.The light armoured force, led by the Type 15, then pursued the scattered enemy.Wheeled armoured units would quickly move behind the enemy's rear to cut off their retreat and establish a blocking position.Humvee-style light troops then clean up the battlefield.

Pakistan is on the defensive against India and needs a sufficient number of main battle tanks to maintain multiple defensive positions.It is a waste of resources to spend on light tanks.

Light tank is designed for high terrain or soft muddy land, such as Vietnam, or Bangladesh, where has lots of rice field and creeks.

 

[redtom]

Light tank is designed for high terrain or soft muddy land, such as Vietnam, or Bangladesh, where has lots of rice field and creeks.

It's just an opinion.Another opinion is that the 15 was specifically designed for overseas deployment. Because in many countries bridges can't exceed 40 tons. There are no real threats to China's own borders.

Imagine a war zone in Africa or the Middle East where the 99A can only follow the ship slowly.A Y-20 can transport a Type 15 and a 04A. 30 Y-20 can deliver one armored battalion at a time.

 

[vi-va]

It's just an opinion.Another opinion is that the 15 was specifically designed for overseas deployment. Because in many countries bridges can't exceed 40 tons. There are no real threats to China's own borders.

Imagine a war zone in Africa or the Middle East where the 99A can only follow the ship slowly.A Y-20 can transport a Type 15 and a 04A. 30 Y-20 can deliver one armored battalion at a time.

True

 

[Zarvan]

If we want to go for light weight Tanks then instead of Army they should be for Marines as well as Para Military Forces. Mainly Rangers of Sindh and Punjab and FC of KPK and Baluchistan.

 

[Scorpiooo]

Rapidly deployable to far flung places and in some cases air transportable (Stryker MGS).

Agree, Light tanks can be air lifted for quick deployment

The logistical pressure in the remote area is too great.I don't think that's an effective strategy.Although light tanks can be transported by air, the cost of ammunition and fuel is also high.With months of preparation for any major conflict, the defenders are unlikely to be surprised.

Indian Army is stupid.Even if India buys light tanks, they still can't secure a supply line.If the tank is only used as a movable turret, the old tank is the best choice.

Never think of your enemy as stupid , specially in case of hindu baniya

If we want to go for light weight Tanks then instead of Army they should be for Marines as well as Para Military Forces. Mainly Rangers of Sindh and Punjab and FC of KPK and Baluchistan.

If our forces really want light tanks, then it can be provided to border based forces aswell

Advantage will be common palteform