Li Keqiang hails Pakistan as China's 'iron brother'

[Developereo]

So in other words, what you write also means: India is more important than Pakistan, Correct?

The China-India relationship is in a rocky courtship mode, so it needs more attention. As Pakistanis we have no problem with the China-India relationship because we understand that, as a rising global player, China needs to have a good relationship with as many countries as possible.

China-Pakistan relationship is a mature, time-tested bond which doesn't need cosmetic flourishes. However, it does not mean that Pakistan should become complacent: even your best friend will get annoyed if you keep reneging on your commitments, are always sick and he has to keep carrying you. Pakistan must learn to pull its own weight and contribute meaningfully to the relationship. China has been kind and patient, but we don't expect them to do charity.

 

[INDIC]

China doesnt have a joint weaponry development program with india
China has invited Pakistan as a premier user in our Beidou Navigation Sytem

I guess india doesnt have the above privileges! yet.

Do you believe India wishes for such privileges.

 

[shuttler]

Do you believe India wishes for such privileges.

Even if you ask for them you wont get them (Beidou for military applications) - as simple as that

 

[Contrarian]

@NALANDA

Some very bright points there. However,chances of this happening are pretty slim until we create 'intedependability',both economic and strategic. I.e If America invades Pakistan today a huge majority of Indians would be clapping with,joy without knowing what it means for them.

Then elucidate.
What does it it mean for India if US were to invade Pakistan?

 

[fast and furious]

Good advice, most Pakistanis here take Indians as jokers especially when the come into Sino-Pak threads using their recycle arguments why China not help Pak in 1965 or 1971, and other rubbish points which negate historical counterarguments. They are just a jealous hypocrite bunch, who would love nothing better to have equally strong ties with China as Pakistan has had for decades.

Alright Sir,You keep your Friendship with you,We Indians will keep our jealousy(so called) with us.
We will see what explodes in whose face.

 

[sixth]

The Chinese word 铁, in daily usage of the Chinese language, actually refer to the English word steel,
English word steel refer to the Chinese word 钢.

Steel is refined iron, or some percentage element like carbon is added to iron, to make it not fragile, much less easy to be rusted.

In most of the time, Chinese people call steel as iron (&#38081 instead of 钢

the Chinese cookware Wok is made of iron, which is fragile, if a Wok drop on the floor, it might be broken into pieces. if Wok is made of steel, it won't be the case. Indeed English word iron, refer to Chinese is 生铁.

Let's say in Chinese, someone may say a car body is made of iron (&#38081 (车身是铁做&#30340, indeed this '铁' means steel(&#38050

iron brother(铁&#21733 means brotherly relationship is firmly bond, not easy to break or unbreakable

 

[OrionHunter]

No brother hood-hood. Just allies with common interests.
You will get a shock of life to treat any other country as a "brother".

peace


p.s. Iron brother Pakistan has been rusting for many decades now . Hope the new government puts some "rust proofing on us soon.

A couple of questions for Li: If China is Pakistan's 'iron brother' then...

1. Why did China refuse to bail out Pakistan last year when it desperately needed $7 billion as loan to tide over its balance of payments situation which could lead to a default? Pakistan had to run to the IMF instead for obtaining loans under strict conditionalities.

2. Why hasn't China disbursed the promised aid of $200 million to flood victims of 2010 managing a paltry $38 million only? (Pakistan's 'enemy No.1', India, had contributed almost $30 million!)

3. Why did China give only lip service to Pakistan during all its wars with India? Even during Kargil and Operation Parakram, China refused to endorse the Pakistani positions or to raise the issue at the United Nations.

4. Why is China not towing Pakistan's line on Kashmir? The Chinese insist that a solution to the Kashmir dispute is essential and should be solved through dialogue. No mention of the 'UN Resolutions' has been made nor the much bandied phrase, "in accordance with the wishes of the Kashmiri people". In March 2012, China said, "as far as Kashmir is concerned, we always said it was a bilateral dispute and both India and Pakistan must resolve it.” Why is there no mention of the UN resolutions nor 'wishes of the Kashmir people' phrase by the Chinese?

5. Why is Sino-Pak trade a measly $13 billion (Compared to its staunch rival, India which is $70 billion, slated to reach $200 billion by 2015 and $500 billion by 2020)?

China is using Pakistan to distract India to keep its Southern flank secure. According to Sun Tzu's, 'The supreme art of war', "Constant distraction of the enemy provides opportunity."

In the words of Charles de Gaulle, "in international relations, there are no permanent friends, only permanent interests."

Now, to some of my inveterate India-bashing Pakistani and Chinese friends, I request you guys to please not troll. Do back your answers, if any, with facts.

Thanks!

 

[Spring Onion]

Is the case that Pakistani leadership and the masses they influence, are more easily satisfied by words of praise, even if hollow? It would seem to be the case - The strategic engine in Pakistan is the so called Pakistan Army, and this institution is determined to play all sides and everyone against each other to further it's interests - and presently these interests (Afghanistan) will be used to blackmail the Chinese - The Chinese want effective action against the terrorists nurtured and trained in Pakistan against the people, State and nation of China, The so called Pakistan army is determined to ensure that these terrorists sufficiently antagonize the Chinese so as to serve as a threat and to so position the so called Pakistan army such that it can claim that without it as a bulwark against these terrorists, China would face an even greater threat and that thus China should find it in her interests to support the "vision" of the so called Pakistan army -- this blackmail has worked against US and NATO and to large measure has been successful against the Chinese as well.

However, with that said, it is not the case that the so called Pakistan army has only contention in mind when it comes to China, it is seeking and will more than likely get, satellite "communication" capability - The Chinese leadership are well aware that it is the so called Pakistan Army and her agencies that have ensure that the TTP and other Wahabi linked extremist organizations nurtured by the so called Pakistan Army decided the fate of the most recent elections resulting in a mandate for a party determined to talk "peace" with the TTP, and that while the Chinese may offer flowery praise, they may re access how much good money they are ll willing to allow to chase, the bad money lost in the schemes of Pakistani politicians and bureaucrats

as usual your post ladden with your personal hate and bias decreases its weight.

anyway

1. We all are like that just take for an example entire India is happy that Chinese PM would like to watch their 3 idiots. so word of praise weakness of all not just one.


2. We are satisfied and they the Chinese are satisfied with the strategic engine otherwise likes of you or likes of ET bloggers who are readily paid for anti-China stuff in advance before the visit to create bad feeling.

3. The bold part is the proof that WHY strategic engine aka army is a trusted one than political engine. I know that in my northern areas the strategic engine along with Chinese are building finest roads sans any coooooo rupption as Pollutitions say

 

[Amaa'n]

 

[Spring Onion]

A couple of questions for Li: If China is Pakistan's 'iron brother' then...

1. Why did China refuse to bail out Pakistan last year when it desperately needed $7 billion as loan to tide over its balance of payments situation which could lead to a default? Pakistan had to run to the IMF instead for obtaining loans under strict conditionalities.

2. Why hasn't China disbursed the promised aid of $200 million to flood victims of 2010 managing a paltry $38 million only? (Pakistan's 'enemy No.1', India, had contributed almost $30 million!)

3. Why did China give only lip service to Pakistan during all its wars with India? Even during Kargil and Operation Parakram, China refused to endorse the Pakistani positions or to raise the issue at the United Nations.

4. Why is China not towing Pakistan's line on Kashmir? The Chinese insist that a solution to the Kashmir dispute is essential and should be solved through dialogue. No mention of the 'UN Resolutions' has been made nor the much bandied phrase, "in accordance with the wishes of the Kashmiri people". In March 2012, China said, "as far as Kashmir is concerned, we always said it was a bilateral dispute and both India and Pakistan must resolve it.” Why is there no mention of the UN resolutions nor 'wishes of the Kashmir people' phrase buy the Chinese?

5. Why is Sino-Pak trade a measly $13 billion (Compared to its staunch rival, India which is $70 billion, slated to reach $200 billion by 2015 and $500 billion by 2020)?

Now, to some of my inveterate India-bashing Pakistani and Chinese friends, I request you guys to please not troll. Do back your answers, if any, with facts.

Thanks!

despite Chinese favours you Indians are still crying? and we despite as per your above claims dint get favours even then we are not crying ?


The difference is : Indians will remain Rondustanis forever

 

[uzair ramay]

we are steel brothers...rust proof...

 

[JSCh]

Chinese netizens coined the term "Iron Pak"(巴&#38081 in reference to Pakistan as a term of endearment in reference to the trustworthiness of the mutual friendship that has withstood the test of time. Iron in this case is as in "iron will" refer to discipline, determine and unmoving.

Like all friendship it requires both side to contribute. And indeed for all friendship to be sustainable, it requires all parties to bring to the table whatever they can, appreciate the contribution of others, exercise mutual respect and understanding and most of all value the comprehensive long term view that mutual friendship bring over petty myopic short term interest.

And that would only be possible with the existence of mutual trust. Old friends are like Wine, they get better with time. The same is true with building trust.

Chinese people appreciate Pakistan contribution hence the term "iron" to describe the believe in our mutual commitment to safeguard the precious and miraculous cross culture trust/confidence/friendship that exist between two people from vastly disparate backgrounds.

It is a fine example of Win-Win.

 

[bigzgvr4]

bottom line china and pakistan are strategic ally, Every one in south asia is tired of India, they pedal in every ones internal buisness which they should not
and if pakistani politicians are smart they should buy all the machinary that china produces to boost its industry after they fix the energy crisis, I mean china produces 75% of the world electronics in some way or other for international buisness and instead of buying Expensive european machinary they should opt for Chinese

 

[Pukhtoon]

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[muse]

A couple of questions for Li: If China is Pakistan's 'iron brother' then...

1. Why did China refuse to bail out Pakistan last year when it desperately needed $7 billion as loan to tide over its balance of payments situation which could lead to a default? Pakistan had to run to the IMF instead for obtaining loans under strict conditionalities.

2. Why hasn't China disbursed the promised aid of $200 million to flood victims of 2010 managing a paltry $38 million only? (Pakistan's 'enemy No.1', India, had contributed almost $30 million!)

3. Why did China give only lip service to Pakistan during all its wars with India? Even during Kargil and Operation Parakram, China refused to endorse the Pakistani positions or to raise the issue at the United Nations.

4. Why is China not towing Pakistan's line on Kashmir? The Chinese insist that a solution to the Kashmir dispute is essential and should be solved through dialogue. No mention of the 'UN Resolutions' has been made nor the much bandied phrase, "in accordance with the wishes of the Kashmiri people". In March 2012, China said, "as far as Kashmir is concerned, we always said it was a bilateral dispute and both India and Pakistan must resolve it.” Why is there no mention of the UN resolutions nor 'wishes of the Kashmir people' phrase buy the Chinese?

5. Why is Sino-Pak trade a measly $13 billion (Compared to its staunch rival, India which is $70 billion, slated to reach $200 billion by 2015 and $500 billion by 2020)?

Now, to some of my inveterate India-bashing Pakistani and Chinese friends, I request you guys to please not troll. Do back your answers, if any, with facts.

Thanks!

China is offering friendship, The Pakistanis as usual want hand outs, The Chinese offer that Pakistan stand on her own tow feet (make money and pay taxes), Pakistan is looking for China to bail her out like US does -- So, really it's not the Chinese who are a drag, it's the Pakistanis, they just do not want to do for themselves --- So the Chinese offer what the Pakistanis are culturally conditioned to accept regardless of whether it has substance or not, like any praise *****.

This concept of praise ***** is one one that more Pakistanis should explore, in the hope to understand that the Chinese are saying "talk is cheap" -- if the Pakistani state wants to send the message that it is a worthy military partner, don't escort a civilian aircraft with military jets, use the military jets to destroy terrorists who are trained in Pakistan against China -- there is no bar from the Chinese side to increase trade, but the Pakistanis is more interested in who is a Muslim, a Shia and a Ahmadi -- So, really, it's not the Chinese who are holding this relationship back -- you will have noted that the Chinese Premier is quoted as saying that "that is STILL great potential in this relationship" -- why do you suppose he used the word, "still"??