Land of the impure

[ramu]

So according to your knowledge mohajirs and punjabis didnt do much for sacrificed for Pakistan .. than who did ?? since you are very aware share share your " knowledge" bust the myths !

I am surprised, even after 64 years of Independence, there is a labelling of mohajirs and discussions on who is the "real" Pakistani.

 

[Roybot]

This is a paraphrased article earlier published in an INDIAN newspaper.

Banyan: Land of the impure | The Economist

Land of the impure - Indian Express

Didn't know The Economist was an Indian newspaper?

 

[pak-marine]

I am surprised, even after 64 years of Independence, there is a labelling of mohajirs and discussions on who is the "real" Pakistani.

well i guess this is just like any other country ... people do argue or have a claim of most loyal and those who sacrificed the most.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Who is jalaludin khwazim?

 

[kobiraaz]

I have read the same thing that these guys were heros and how he captured somnath and what a great warrior he was whereas we have a pakistani writer writing in a pakistani publication that these people were rapists & dacoits !?

you should learn some facts about battles of that era. . . . rape was common in every battle. . . If you don't allow your soldiers to loot or rape . . Surely you will not get them in the next battle. . They were not pious Jihadis led by khalid bin walid. . They were common soldiers. . . So you can't call Sultan Mahmoud rapist. . Everyone did it. . .. . Try to read about their life history. . Even Babur faced rebellion from his local tribes after not allowing them to loot samarkhand...

 

[kobiraaz]

I am surprised, even after 64 years of Independence, there is a labelling of mohajirs and discussions on who is the "real" Pakistani.

me too. . I thought after 1971 all pakistanis are same. .. No more upper class sachha muslim and lower class hindu culture loving muslims.. Just today came to know the fact that there are some problems between karachi people and others...thank God.we all are same here in my country..anyway that is offtopic. . . Come back to the topic

 

[kobiraaz]

Thats pretty much the point majority muslims condemn and think the main reason behind us invasion was iraqs oil wealth not sadam or wmd's where as in the case of muslim invaders who did the same thing few hundred years back are called heroes !! thats a bit Hippocratic!?

Again you are mixing two different era. . . The Game Age of empires and the Game Call of Duty Black Ops are not same. . . ... Genghis khan was a hero, Hitler Not. . Because they lived in two different era. .. You just can't compare between them

 

[Karachiite]

me too. . I thought after 1971 all pakistanis are same. .. No more upper class sachha muslim and lower class hindu culture loving muslims.. Just today came to know the fact that there are some problems between karachi people and others...thank God.we all are same here in my country..anyway that is offtopic. . . Come back to the topic

You guys are like 99% Bengali. And we all know how you treat your Bihari people not to mention what you do to the Hindu minority in your country. And frankly you guys aren't important enough to be even talked about right now. First try to come out of the Least Developed Countries list .

 

[kobiraaz]

You guys are like 99% Bengali. And we all know how you treat your Bihari people not to mention what you do to the Hindu minority in your country. And frankly you guys aren't important enough to be even talked about right now. First try to come out of the Least Developed Countries list .

i don't want to debate with you. . We are least developed cause some people robbed us for 25 years and then gave us a bloody war destroying all infrastructure and killing intellectuals.. '' It is better to be in a least developing country than being blown out by bombs while praying in mosque'' the last line is not my words.. Told by my friend from Lahore who is studying in Bangladesh. . I dont want to go offtopic.. Hence leaving.

 

[Karachiite]

i don't want to debate with you. . We are least developed cause some people robbed us for 25 years and then gave us a bloody war destroying all infrastructure and killing intellectuals.. '' It is better to be in a least developing country than being blown out by bombs while praying in mosque'' the last line is not my words.. Told by my friend from Lahore who is studying in Bangladesh. . I dont want to go offtopic.. Hence leaving.

Even with so many bombs we are developing. Pakistan started with no infrastructure and zero money. Pakistan was given the most backwards parts yet we developed them. even with so many wars. And bombs might be going off but at least we aren't running away like you people. How many people in your family have sneaked into India?
Heck you people even somehow manage to sneak in Pakistan.

 

[kobiraaz]

Even with so many bombs we are developing. Pakistan started with no infrastructure and zero money. Pakistan was given the most backwards parts yet we developed them. even with so many wars. And bombs might be going off but at least we aren't running away like you people. How many people in your family have sneaked into India?
Heck you people even somehow manage to sneak in Pakistan.

personal attack!! Just chill. My family never migrated . . I have traced back .. We are in the same place since 1800.. It is you who is displaced.

 

[Zeeshan360]

You guys are like 99% Bengali. And we all know how you treat your Bihari people not to mention what you do to the Hindu minority in your country. And frankly you guys aren't important enough to be even talked about right now. First try to come out of the Least Developed Countries list .

Lol man .
How could u even call Bangladesh as least developed country .
They are growing at 6-7% at a year .
And Pakistan economy isnt growing at 10% , it is growing at meagre 2-3% .

 

[Desert Fox]

By a quirk of fate, the Indian Campaign of Alexander the Macedonian was restricted entirely to what is now Pakistan. After his death in 322 BCE, his empire disintegrated and the brilliant Chandragupta Maurya rose to power in a great kingdom that spread across much of the subcontinent. Asoka, who outshone his grandsire, extended his rule to most of Afghanistan, even wresting bits of that country from its Greek masters.

The decay of the Mauryan Empire gave rise to a new wave of Greek adventurers. In or about the year 184 BCE, Demetrius, the first of the Euthydemid line of kings, left his seat of power at Balkh from where he controlled Afghanistan, and annexed Taxila. Not two decades had passed when another line of Greek adventurers, the descendents of Alexander’s general Seleucus Nikator, displaced the Euthydemids to become masters of first Taxila and Sialkot and eventually most of what is now Pakistan.

Far away in the east, the caste-conscious rulers of Patliputra (Patna) looked upon this parade of outsiders with disdain. The Yavanas (the local pronunciation of the Persian Yunani from Ionian) were despised people. For the Pundits of the east, these people were the Mlechha — unclean ones. There was, in that early pre-Islamic age, no appreciation for the white-skinned foreigners. By extension, the land of the outsiders became Mlechha Desa — Land of the unclean.

The power of the Greeks eventually waned and a hundred years after Eucratides, the Seleucid king, had taken Taxila, Punjab and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa fell to Scythian hordes. Under their able king, Maues, these people rose in power and even before Maues died, they had spread across what is now Pakistan.

Having been in fashion for more than a hundred years, the title of Mlechha Desa now stuck fast. This was the land customarily under control of the impure, unclean outsiders. Little did it matter to the high caste Pundits of the east that they and outsiders in reality sprang from the common Indo-Aryan stock separated only by some scores of generations. Nevertheless, there was clearly no admiration for the newcomers; there was only revulsion.

This remained the case for the next millennium. It was only subsequent to the Muslim influx into the subcontinent when a sufficiently large number of conversions led to friction between the old established belief system and the new, that the first seeds of ‘love for the tormentor’, the invading newcomer, were sown. This was largely because the invader was now always Muslim (save Chengez Khan) and looked upon by the converts of India as a saviour.

Mahmud Ghaznavi, a Turk erroneously adopted by the Pathans as one of them, who raped and looted regardless of the religion of his victim, was lionised simply for being a Muslim. Few care to know that while this common brigand descended upon India in the winters, he routinely pillaged the rich (Muslim) cities of Central Asia. Only Abu Rehan Al Beruni got the real measure of this robber chief: Never in his life did he refer to him as Imad ud Daula, Sultan Ghazi etc. For Al Beruni, he was forever plain Amir Mahmud.

The cowardly Jalaluddin Khwarazm flying in front of the superior arms and tactics of Chengez Khan was turned into a hero by that sham historian Nasim Hijazi. This spineless man abandoned his family to the Mongols, knowing full well what they did to their adversaries, and fled to watch their rape and plunder from the safe side of the Sindhu River.
Subsequently, he indulged in wholesale slaughter in Multan, Uch and Bhambore (all Muslim cities) and utterely sacked Pari Nagar, a rich and fabulous city shared by Hindus and Muslims in Tharparkar. Mindless of all this savagery, we, in our ignorance, shamelessly permitted the spurious work of Hijazi to hone our love for this tormentor.

There is clearly a lack of national pride. There can be no other reason that we worship invaders who raped, looted and sacked our cities. We worship them and name sons after them only because we share the same religion with them.

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Published in The Express Tribune, June 11th, 2011.

another bullsh!t article by a pseudo intellectual, i bet his Hero's are King Richard, Napoleon, Winston Churchill, Queen Isabella, Vlad Dracula.

 

[Desert Fox]

Lol man .
How could u even call Bangladesh as least developed country .
They are growing at 6-7% at a year .
And Pakistan economy isnt growing at 10% , it is growing at meagre 2-3% .

Key word: Growing

So the point is despite floods, earthquakes, insurgencies, suicide bombings we're still growing, so just imagine how fast our economy will recover when this WOT is over, whereas if india were in Pakistan's place your country would probably have been broken into so many independent states by now due to the many insurgencies in your country.

 

[Zeeshan360]

Key word: Growing

So the point is despite floods, earthquakes, insurgencies, suicide bombings we're still growing, so just imagine how fast our economy will recover when this WOT is over, whereas if india were in Pakistan's place your country would probably have been broken into so many independent states by now due to the many insurgencies in your country.

Probably ...

The most u have grown is 8.4% in recent times.
Even in Musharaff's era u grew at around 7% .

Dont only go with the gdp but u should also see the spendings .
Bangladesh spends only 1.3% in defense while Pakistan spends somewhere between 2.5-2.8% dont know exact no.
So Bangladeshi gov can put more money in education and health .
Bangladesh also has a decent literacy rate of 53% slightly higher than Pakistan