Lahore Police Academy crises over | One gunman, five collaborators arrested

[Task Force Black]

Indian intelligence outposts will have to be targeted in Afghanistan in retaliation if we are to have peace in Pakistan.

And in wishing this you aim to serve the ambitions and goals of those who attacked the Police in Lahore, Dand & Paktia today.

Rehman Malik has not only highlighted that one of the Captives is an Afghan, he has stated that the attack was planned in South Waziristan.

If one is proven to have came from there, rest assured that others launched today will have most likely sprang from the same well.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

And in wishing this you aim to serve the ambitions and goals of those who attacked the Police in Lahore, Dand & Paktia today.

You can't be more wrong. In wishing this, we are sparing Kabul from carpet bombing. Just like the US used its logic of destroying Afghanistan because 9-11 was planned there, so we should also be able to destroy Afghanistan because all of the terror is emanating from there. But no, considering we are brotherly nations to some degree (or used to be at least) I only propose that Indian intelligence posts be packed up and shipped back to stop the escalations of tensions between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

 

[Solomon2]

Last I remember you were the one arguing that Pakistan had to prove a negative - i.e prove its innocence instead of others proving its guilt..

I was pointing out that from the weight of accumulated evidence Pakistan had forfeited its right to be presumed innocent in the eyes of West - both government leaders and the general public. It's all about context, A.M.

 

[mhacsan]

Without proof such assertions are only a matter of faith. This hate-India hate-US thing is your true religion, isn't it

there is no evidence of ISI being involved in supporting taliban, alqaida till date etc, why then u people keep crying for ISI involvment every singel day, comin up stories some time from COAS US or foregin ministry???

there are certain evidences which can not be made public dur to intelligence elements obscurity, as no evidences has been for 9/11(if true), obviusly u havet seen it but still believe in it why?

Probably because Afghanistan's local communications and transport are so poor, India needs more and smaller consulates than normal. Plus, they want to make it clear to Afghans that India is a better friend to them than their next-door neighbor, Pakistan. Here's an old Economist article on the Jalalabad consulate for your amusement:

what kind of pathetic stroy is this? poor communication, ok but why on border, probably transport from and to pakistan as probably they have poor transport system as well is it?
friends to Afghanistan, ??? why suddenly frinds??? , mate u havet got a slightest idea of situation between pak and india. lack of knowledge

 

[blain2]

I was pointing out that from the weight of accumulated evidence Pakistan had forfeited its right to be presumed innocent in the eyes of West - both government leaders and the general public. It's all about context, A.M.

You walk the street of the Muslim world and you will get a reaction quite similar about the notion that "The west was attacked on 9/11". You need to understand that this is not a one way street of opinions. In the eyes of the Pakistanis, a war in their neighbourhood, which was not of their own making is spreading militancy in their country. Now they are being asked to shed their own blood to put out the fire set by the outsiders.

There is enough responsibility to be passed around to everyone involved. Many would counter your point in Pakistan by simply stating that prior to the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, Pakistan never faced this type of militancy and violence. So why now?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I was pointing out that from the weight of accumulated evidence Pakistan had forfeited its right to be presumed innocent in the eyes of West - both government leaders and the general public. It's all about context, A.M.

Hogwash - accumulated evidence is far greater in the case of India - supporting terrorism in East Pakistan and militarily invading it with the sole intent to break Pakistan apart for example.

Support for the Baluch insurgency and support for murderous warlords and tyrants in th Northern Alliance who committed ethnic massacres and atrocities along the lines of the Taliban. An occupation of a people despite UNSC resolutions demanding plebiscite.

Its isn't about 'context', its about a complete lack of objectivity on your part and excuses drummed up to wash away the sins of the Israelis and Indians, while demonizing, often hypocritically as I pointed out, Pakistan and the Palestinians.

The common theme in your support for Israel and India - both are occupying Muslim populations and committing atrocities upon them.

 

[Solomon2]

there is no evidence of ISI being involved supporting taliban, alqaida till date etc, why then u people keep crying for ISI involvment every singel day, comin up stories some time from COAS US or foregin ministry???

Slow down. There is no evidence of ISI involvement supporting Al-Qaida, however Pakistani officials have stressed to U.S. officials the importance Pak military attaches to supporting the Taliban. (You can debate the veracity of this linked source, but that doesn't change the fact that what it describes is what is generally believed by Western leaders, IMO.)

what kind of pathetic stroy is this? pooer communication, ok but why on border, probably transport from and to pakistan as probably they have poor transport system is it?

To facilitate spying, I suppose! And you know what, you're going to have to live with it, because that's how the game is played, diplomatic institutions are inviolate - messing with that rule was the feather that tipped the balance away from giving Pakistan the benefit of the doubt last year.

 

[Solomon2]

Hogwash - accumulated evidence is far greater in the case of India - supporting terrorism in East Pakistan and militarily invading it with the sole intent to break Pakistan apart for example.

Let's take this up on AA's new thread.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Let's take this up on AA's new thread.

There is nothing to take up on the issue of Indian intervention in East Pakistan - it is historical fact.

Using your logic, 'the weight of this accumulated evidence' clearly points to Indian culpability in terrorism in Pakistan.

Be consistent and not hypocritical, instead of using different standards for India and Pakistan, beyond that I have nothing to discuss.

 

[Task Force Black]

You can't be more wrong. In wishing this, we are sparing Kabul from carpet bombing. Just like the US used its logic of destroying Afghanistan because 9-11 was planned there, so we should also be able to destroy Afghanistan because all of the terror is emanating from there. But no, considering we are brotherly nations to some degree (or used to be at least) I only propose that Indian intelligence posts be packed up and shipped back to stop the escalations of tensions between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Terrorists launched a coordinated attack today attacking Police stations in suicide bomb attacks across three districts in Afghanistan & Pakistan.

After initially wishing to carpet bomb Kabul, ethnic cleanse afghan refugees, and topple the afghan government we move to the often trod ground of wishing to target and close up Indian embassies and consulates around the world.

Which of the above things would not figure highly on the personal agenda of those who launched these coordinated attacks today, and over the past couple of months... we can but wonder.

These people have no home, no nation, and no religion. But they certainly have guns and bombs with which to attack all natural forces of the Rule of Law.

I can heartily recommend waiting until more official details surface from the Pakistan authorities and then again address some of these initial reactions.

 

[Solomon2]

You need to understand that this is not a one way street of opinions. In the eyes of the Pakistanis, a war in their neighbourhood, which was not of their own making is spreading militancy in their country. Now they are being asked to shed their own blood to put out the fire set by the outsiders.

Oh, I get that. But I also understand that for crooked government officials democratic law and order is the enemy of their excesses. The break-down of law and order creates the space for illegal enrichment through the power of one's office, and the selective non-exercise of executive authority ensures that things will stay that way, as long as the public is willing to tolerate it. So no matter how much money the U.S. throws at Pakistan and Afghanistan, things won't really better until Pakistanis do. Or would you rather be part of the crooked enrichment process yourself?

 

[Solomon2]

Using your logic, 'the weight of this accumulated evidence' clearly points to Indian culpability in terrorism in Pakistan.

Over a generation past, yes. Are you telling us that this is the best evidence you can come up with, that you can't find a current Indian connection to the events of today?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Over a generation past, yes. Are you telling us that this is the best evidence you can come up with, that you can't find a current Indian connection to the events of today?

err... yes, it points to a mindset of non-acceptance and hatred towards Pakistan.

Baluchistan and support to the Northern Alliance criminals is not exactly a 'generation past', though you wouldn't be able to see that with the 'Indian and Israel **** smells like roses' blinkers you have on.

 

[mhacsan]

Slow down. There is no evidence of ISI involvement supporting Al-Qaida, however Pakistani officials have stressed to U.S. officials the Pak military attaches to supporting the Taliban. (You can debate the veracity of this linked source, but that doesn't change the fact that what it describes is what is generally believed by Western leaders, IMO.)


To facilitate spying, I suppose! And you know what, you're going to have to live with it, because that's how the game is played, diplomatic institutions are inviolate - messing with that rule was the feather that tipped the balance away from giving Pakistan the benefit of the doubt last year.

you begning to get a grip a bit, spying is fine no problem,but Spying mainly are done where strategies and policies made n important decision are taken, of cousre there is nothing of this importance being undertaken in border areas. but any how it could be any thing else. but tell u what it is not only spying this time around as history has proved time n time over.

Sicahen scenario, Nawab Akbar bukti-Balochistan nationalist/sepratist leader , Altaf hussain, otehrs have been mentioned, where there is proven involvment of india. the three wars we fought, we were never the intruders/attackers in any of the case(except Operation Gibraltar 1965). so if u think they love us n their objectivity is not get us rid of our strategic weapon alons side Israel if not US by declairing the terririost state. then u r definatley in the wrong boat.

this has India written on it, if not on all, one more thing, why dont u let indians speak, why r u so much putting ur neck on risk for them, i thought we are the one fighting for u not indians, but alas, loyalties have changes to our enemies, n if we talk abt, u guys even cant see it, digesting is something else. creatures dying every singel day after all human beings, and India has direct linkt to it

 

[qsaark]

err... yes, it points to a mindset of non-acceptance and hatred towards Pakistan.

Baluchistan and support to the Northern Alliance criminals is not exactly a 'generation past', though you wouldn't be able to see that with the 'Indian and Israel **** smells like roses' blinkers you have on.

There have been reports that many killed or captured terrorists in Swat and other areas of Pakistan were not circumcised, indicating that they were not Muslims. At any rate, if Pakistan has evidence of the Indian or other foreign involvement, this is the time to make it public. The only reason GoP is not making such evidence public is due to the US/NATO pressure who insist this would escalate tension between India and Pakistan and the so called WoT would be affected.