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Whats the religion of CM of kerala ? religion of finance minister? ans- Christian and Number 2 in cabinet is a Muslim thats why i used x'ian muslim government

Both Cheif minister and Finance minister have not done anything for syrian christian community in Kerala.Even the Dalit Christians do not get any benefit coz they are 'christian'.Isnt that discrimination??
 
Both Cheif minister and Finance minister have not done anything for syrian christian community in Kerala.Even the Dalit Christians do not get any benefit coz they are 'christian'.Isnt that discrimination??

as per Indian constitution Dalits in Hindu ,Buddhist ,sikh community is eligible for benefits ,simply religions of Indian origin and Your religion dont have caste system ...so why are you now demanding caste based reservation ?

weather syrian ,coptic ,orthodox,latin ,roman or other group you all guys are simply x'ians right ?
 
This is the fault of ideologies being preached..............

as per Indian constitution Dalits in Hindu ,Buddhist ,sikh community is eligible for benefits ,simply religions of Indian origin ,Your religion dont have caste system ...Your Christian brothers whether converted from dalits or other community has no such rights

weather syrian ,coptic ,orthodox,latin ,roman or other group you all guys are simply x'ians right ?

Nor do Buddhist & Sikhs have caste system..................
 
Even your pope claimed st.Thomas never visited Kerala

I know exactly what pope said-The gospel went from persia to western India and from there to south India.When he deny it?
Minorities in kerala wanted an upper caste identity ,Christians propagated bhramin conversion story and muslims propagated Cheraman perumal story ,Historically both are inaccurate ....

First Christians in kerala were mostly Jewish and buddhist converts=> This is evident from syrian christian culture.
Also please do explain the orgin of syrian christians-lets see which story you beleive in-Canai thoma,portuguese,migration,thomas='tamuz'.....:lol:

And I will give my proofs afterwards.

x'ians wants to Build a church in Shabarimala land so people objected it

Nilackal was an ancient centre of pepper trade in Kerala which was destroyed in 14 th century due to war and floods.Even today,you can see the remenants of an ancient civilization-Including tombstones.The Nilackkal temple(which was situated in adjacent location to the church) was rebuilt during time of sir CP.But due to the protests some extremists,the church could not be rebuilt in exactly same location.

The RSS say mylapur tomb of st.thomas was built by portuguese-Which was proved false by archeological excavations
 
Ella "poo.." makkalodum onnu njan parayam,
Jathiyum Mathavum poki pidichondu engotu kayari vannekaruthu. Nanamileda ninakonum? India karananu enu paranju abhimanam kondal mathram pora,athu jeevithatil pakarthukayum venam. Ninne pollulavan mare kanndu veruthanu njan oru mathavum venda enu vechu dailvathil mathram vishwasikan theerumaniche. Live Indian! Jai Hind!
 
as per Indian constitution Dalits in Hindu ,Buddhist ,sikh community is eligible for benefits ,simply religions of Indian origin and Your religion dont have caste system ...so why are you now demanding caste based reservation ?
weather syrian ,coptic ,orthodox,latin ,roman or other group you all guys are simply x'ians right ?

syrian christians belong to forward caste and latin christians belong to OBC.educate yourself first:omghaha:
And a Dalit is always a dalit...even if he is a hindu,muslim,christian or Atheist

Our pope ? Who is our pope ? Syrian christians have no affiliation with the catholic church. When the portugese first came in contact with Indian Christians they did everything to force us to bow down to the papacy. Portugese bishop alexios menezis ran a campaign to round up all keralite Christians and to destroy our churches, our leaders and the texts.

The earliest evidence of Syrian Christians stretches as far back as A.D 325 when the Bishop John of Persia signed himself in the register as a representative of the independent churches of India in the Nicene council. The Nicene council is where the bible was compiled.

പിന്നെ.....എന്ത് അവസ്ഥയുടെ കാര്യമാ താന്* പറയുന്നത് ? നിങ്ങള്* RSS-കാര്* vote എടുപ്പിന് നിന്നു നോക്കു.....ജയിക്കുകയാണെങ്കില്* ഇവിടെ ആര്*ക്കും പരാതിയില്ല.
@Marxist @gslv mk3 @rockstar



അല്ലാതെ ഗുജറാത്ത് സ്റ്റൈലില്* കൊന്നു വീര്യം കാണിക്കാന്* ആണു ഉദ്ദേശമെങ്കില്* പ്രധിഷേധിക്കും, പ്രതികരിക്കും.

dude,first reference is in AD 180,pantaneus.also first persian Bishop of Nazranis was Mar David of Basra,AD 295-The predecessor of John
 
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I know exactly what pope said-The gospel went from persia to western India and from there to south India.When he deny it?


First Christians in kerala were mostly Jewish and buddhist converts=> This is evident from syrian christian culture.
Also please do explain the orgin of syrian christians-lets see which story you beleive in-Canai thoma,portuguese,migration,thomas='tamuz'.....:lol:

And I will give my proofs afterwards.



Nilackal was an ancient centre of pepper trade in Kerala which was destroyed in 14 th century due to war and floods.Even today,you can see the remenants of an ancient civilization-Including tombstones.The Nilackkal temple(which was situated in adjacent location to the church) was rebuilt during time of sir CP.But due to the protests some extremists,the church could not be rebuilt in exactly same location.

The RSS say mylapur tomb of st.thomas was built by portuguese-Which was proved false by archeological excavations

ivide ullathil majorityium Palpodikum ,Rava ,Gothambinum vedi Margam Kodiyavenmara ,allathe Syriansum ,jewish onnum alla
 
Ella "poo.." makkalodum onnu njan parayam,
Jathiyum Mathavum poki pidichondu engotu kayari vannekaruthu. Nanamileda ninakonum? India karananu enu paranju abhimanam kondal mathram pora,athu jeevithatil pakarthukayum venam. Ninne pollulavan mare kanndu veruthanu njan oru mathavum venda enu vechu dailvathil mathram vishwasikan theerumaniche. Live Indian! Jai Hind!

What should I do when some saffronists attack my community,brand us as traitors,and try spreading hate against us among majority community???
 
ivide ullathil majorityium Palpodikum ,Rava ,Gothambinum vedi Margam Kodiyavenmara ,allathe Syriansum ,jewish onnum alla
Enna Palpodi,reva,gothambiu veeno................Pekshe Margam koddanam................Atho ethanum kiddathil paribhavum anno....................
 
ivide ullathil majorityium Palpodikum ,Rava ,Gothambinum vedi Margam Kodiyavenmara ,allathe Syriansum ,jewish onnum alla
explain?Whare is this 'evide'??
Syrian Christians are 70% of kerala christians and are not converted by portuguese/british.

16 am nootandinu mumpum paal palopodi yakunna technology undayirunno????:omghaha::omghaha::cuckoo:



Pilgrimage to the tomb of the Apostle.

There are concrete evidences from history, to show that right from the early centuries of Christian Era, pilgrims flocked to the traditional site at Mylapore ( South India ), where Apostle Thomas lay buried. Not only from Malabar ( Kerala ), but also from numerous foreign countries. The candid references from Asseman ( Joseph Aloysius, Professor & an authority on Syro-Chaldaic and Arabic languages, in his book ‘A commentary on Chaldean Patriarchs’ ), about the visits by the Nazranis of Malabar, to the Mylapore tomb. In the pre-Portuguese period, Malabar Christians used to make pilgrimages to the Mylapore tomb. He confirms that, it took 25 days to reach Mylapore, by land route ,as reported by four Chaldean bishops, in 1504, who after their arrival in Malabar, wrote their Patriarch, Elias. Eminent Church historian, from Kerala, Mathias Mundadan, in his book, elucidates the centuries long pilgrimage by Nazranis, to pay homage at the holy sepulcher of Thomasleeha (A.M.Mundadan, ‘ Traditions S T C’, p.12 ).

In the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, it is given that Alfred the Great, king of England, send an embassy with offerings to St. Peter at his tomb in Rome and to St.Thomas, at his tomb in India ( 884, AD.). Yet another testimony on the subject, is that of St.Gregory of Tours ( 538—594). In Gloria Martyrum (31,32, qtd.in Thomapedia,p.204.), he gives extensive information about the martyrdom and burial of the Apostle in India ( and transfer of his holy mortal remains to Edessa , in Syria ), on the strength of the first hand information, obtained in writing from certain Theodore of Syria, who visited the Mylapore tomb. Western travellers,including Marco Polo (1293 ),Franciscan Friar, Monte Carvino , John Maringnoli (1349), Nicolo De Conti (1430 ),visited the Mylapore tomb, much early to the coming of the Portuguese. Early church father, John Chrysostom, ( 347—407 ), asserts the significance of Mylapore tomb of Thomas, by comparing it with those of Peter and Paul The great Arab traveler,Berbossa who visited India,in 1515 AD, also confirms that the tomb, at Chinnamala , in Mylapore, is of the Apostle ( Mundadan, Ibid,p.18 ). ( These clear references, will expose the prejudicial approach of eminent historians like Dr.M. G.S.Narayanan, that ‘Mylapore tomb’ has no importance before Portuguese Colonial rule ! ).
Marco Polo mentions being shown this spot ( Mailapore, the city of peacocks ),at the Mount,in the 13th century. Even up to the present day, persons annually performs pilgrimages to this place, kiss this spot, where he was slain, deposit their offerings and report their prayers at the Apostles’ grave. ( Quoted in Land of Perumals,p.212-13 )
After critically examining all the contemporary literature on the subject, Adolf Medlecott , in his book ( India and Apostle Thomas,p.134 ), confirms that he is thoroughly convinced that the claim of Mylapore to be the place of martyrdom and of the burial of the apostle was not based on undeniable fact, the Christians of Malabar would never have acknowledged their neighbours’ claim oto hold the tomb of the apostle, neither would they ever be induced to frequent it by way of pilgrimage. Had this been a case of a fictitious claim put forth to secure public notoriety and importance, they would as probably have, any way, set up one for themselves, and would have certainly ignored the claim of the former. In another place, he says,' Nicolo De Conti, an Italian merchant ( 1423--1430 ), speaks about the tomb of St. Thomas , at Malpuria which was venerated by Nestorians, who were " scattered all over India, as the Jews among us " ( A. Medlecott, Ibid p.95 )
The tomb of Mylapore is unique in the world in the sense that it is the only tomb believed to have been the burial-place of Apostle Thomas. Hosten ( in his book ' Antiquities from San Thome', p.4-5 ), quotes Mar Solomon(Archbishop of Perath-Meshan, 1222 AD.), as saying that the city in India, where Apostle Thomas is buried is Mahluph. No other place in India, but Mylapore answers to the last part of the statement.
The following words will show the in separable connection between Mylapore tomb and Nazrani religious practices:
“Their ‘holy water’,the preparation of which was left the Sacristan, consisted of common water, in which a few particles of earth, brought from the grave of St Thomas, at Mailapuram, were dissolved”( Accounts of Portuguese writer, Paoli, quoted by Francis Day in ‘ Land of Perumals’ p.219).

Excavation at Mylapore.

The excavations, conducted by the Portuguese, in 1523, 1524 and in 1970 ( by Fr. Hambye, with the support Archeological Department of Tamilnadu government ) were not very fruitful, except provided some valuable insights to the historicity and authenticity of the tomb.(There is a wrong notion among some secular historians that the Tomb of St.Thomas,at Mylapore was located and identified by the Colonial Portuguese, who came here, in the 16th century. The fact is different. They got information about the tomb, from Nazranis of Kerala, and World travelers and other sources, cited in the preceding paragraph of this article. In the initial period , Portuguese religious leaders were reluctant to conduct any excavation. For them, the ancient East Syriac Christian group, popularly known as MarThomaNazranis ( St.Thomas Christians), was not under the direct control of Roman See, hence schismatic. It was as a part of their strategy to win over these Christians by hook or Crooke, they under took this unilateral excavation. Hence, it is a truth that some secular historians (and even Nazrani writers), view the Portuguese excavation and its findings ( e.g. the 'Bleeding Cross' of Mylapore ), with an element of suspicion. For them, Portuguese are 'master manipulators' in matters connected with religion. ).
“For several centuries there was the Sepulcher of Thomas, well built, indeed; the brick in its eastern wall belong to the 1st century,AD” ( Hambye.S.J,St.Thomas & India.).
These bricks have been well preserved in the eastern wall of the tomb and when Mr. A.H.Longhurst, the Superindent of the Archaeological Department, Southern Circle, visited the tomb in 1921, he said, that it must be very ancient, for the bricks used were of the same type as those used for the Buddhist Stupas, only that those in the Telugu country and in the North of India… ( See Thomapedia, p.5.). Twenty years later, excavations were made to the south of Mylapore. The measurements and nature of the bricks found in the eastern wall of apostle’s tomb ( 15” x 8” x 2.9” ), and the oldest bricks unearthed by the excavation of 1945,at Arikkamedu near Pondicherry ( 150 km south of Mylapore ), the Roman trading station of 1st century, AD, looks one and the same. ( Ibid p.5. ) Remember, according to tradition, Martyrdom,of the Apostle took place in AD,72.
Further, the tomb excavated by the Portuguese at Mylapore, is no ordinary tomb (3 ½ mts deep) like the tomb of the kings buried in the vicinity. ( See references in Rambanpaattu 5,7,3, and 2 ). ( The Indian tradition affirms that apostle Thomas died near the ancient town of Mylapore,his mortal remains were buried in the town, the spot in the chapel known after his name, that the Portuguese excavated in 1523, A D. According to tradition and clear description by Early Church Fathers like St.Ephraem,4th c. , St Paulinus of Nola,431. A.D., and St. Gregory of Tours, 594 A D , the mortal remains of St. Thomas, brought by an unnamed merchant, from India, subsequently buried in the shrine at Edessa, in Mesopotamia. ( See, Carmina Nisibina, 42, qutd. by Meddlecott.) Now the relic is venerated at the Ortona, in Italy. Remember, the excavation,conducted by the Portuguese , in 1524 A D , at Mylapore- tomb,could not discover the body of a person.) . In 1953, part of the relic of St.Thomas, was brought to Kerala and installed at Church at Azhikode near Kodungalloor.
Further excavations and research with the help of modern techniques and tools, ( e.g carbon-14 test) will throw more light to the validity of these conclusions, especially the ‘the age of the tomb’.

Antiquity of the term NAZRANI

Nazrani is the commonly used name, for St.Thomas Christians of Malabar ( Kerala ).Opinions varied about the origin of this term.Some people say, it means Nazarene. For some others, the name was given to the converts of the Apostle , by the Jews, in seven Malabar churches ( settlements ), where Thomasleeha , erected crosses first. According to yet another group of historians, it is a Syriac word, meaning NAZARENE, given to converts of Apostle Thomas, even before the name CHRISTIAN, applied to the followers of Jesus , baptized at Antioch ( See Acts 11 /19 - 26 ).
According Bishop Francis Rose, they are popularly called Nasrani, that is for they are called by the Moors and Turks. ( Report of the Serra,George Nedungat, p.321.)
This seems to be a correct conclusion. In places like Ponnani, Malappuam etc,the name Nazrani, is used as a nick name to identify Christians.( The writer has personal experience in the matter.).
As per the Malabar tradition,Nazrani, Nazrani-Mappila,Marthomachristhyani, Margakkar etc.are synonyms to this ancient Christian community.
The facts cited above will pin point antiquity of the origin of the word prior to the time when the followers of Jesus begun to be called Christians, at Antioch.
Maarthoma Maargam ( Way of Thomas)
When ever there were interactions with the Portuguese Colonial priests, Nasranis dare to state that they were lead by Maarthoma Maargam ( Way of Thomas ). This shows that Nasranis,were always conscious about this Law ( Way ) of Thomas, inherited from their Apostle. “ It was the style of Christian life, strictly Indian or Malabarian. It was the sum total of their liturgical,eclesiatical ,social, cultural and political life,” (V.Pathikulangara,the ‘uniat’ Church of Thomas, p.351.) When ever they confront with the Portuguese, they declare that, The Law of Peter is different from Maarthoma Maargam. ( Documenta Intica,xiv /744 ).There were instances that the Nasranis resented with the Portuguese interference like that happened in Kodungallur, when perused them to eat fish and liquor in Lent, in violation of Maarthoma Maargam. ( See , Brown, ‘Christians of St.Thomas’, p.286).

Persian Crosses


Ancient Persian Crosses or St.Thomas Crosses ( ? ), with Pahlavi ( Middle Persian ) inscriptions, unearthed from Mylapore- area , Anuradhapuram ( Ceylon ) and Goa, and found in several Kerala churches, like Kottayam, Kadamattom,Muttuchira, Alengad, and Kothanalloor, attest the Persian – mercantile connection ,at the same time not at all connected with the Apostle.There is evidence that this cross ,as a meaningful Christian symbol, was popularized by East Syrian prelates like Mar Abraham and the alleged Manichaean connection to it, is the ‘invention’ of some perverted pundits.


Some more significant references


One of the earliest facts which can be cited as history, pinpointing the Apostolic origin of Indian Church, is the document of the Council of Nicea, held in 325.AD. There are records in the Vatican archives that,one of the Bishops, signed the decrees of the Council,as John, Bishop of Persia & Great India. We know nothing more, except what his signature tells us. But by all probabilities, he was the representative of Malabar Church of our India.
An interesting, at the same time authoritative, review of the hitherto history about the origin and spread of Christianity in Malabar, is by East Syrian bishop Mar Gabriel ( 1705 ), in the form of a ( lengthy ) letter in Syriac to Vissicher,the Dutch Clergy man. May I take the liberty to reproduce some lines from that write-up:
Fifty-two years after the birth of the Messiah, the holy Apostle Thomas, arrived at Mailapore on the coast of Coromandel, preaching the Gospel and founding churches there. Passing from thence to Malabar, the holy man landed on the island of Maliankarre,( situated between Cranganore and Paroe ), preached and taught, and built churches in that island,and likewise Cottacay,Repolym, Gokkomangalam, Pernetta, and Tirocusngotta; and having finished his work, in these parts, and ordained two priests, returned to the land of the Pandis,to teach the people there. But whilst he was thus occupied, the Apostle was pierced by the Heathens with spears and thus ended his life. In the course of a few years, all the priests in Hindostan and Malabar, died; and many years afterwards , a Tovenaar called Mamukawasser, an enemy to the Christian faith, arrived at Maliapore, performing many miracles to hinder its progress. And many of the principal Christians giving heed to him, forsook Christianity and followed this false teacher, Mamukawasser. ...........( Notes on Vissichers, letters from Malabar ,K.P.Padmanabha Menon,p.44 )
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explain?Whare is this 'evide'??
Syrian Christians are 70% of kerala christians and are not converted by portuguese/british.

First you prove your Jewish ,Syrian thing ?

almost all Crusaders are here now ....

Enna Palpodi,reva,gothambiu veeno................Pekshe Margam koddanam................Atho ethanum kiddathil paribhavum anno....................

Athraku gathikadu nagalkilla ....Gathikedulla Chelvanmar pandu matham mariyitudu

Chila pakistanikal Arbikal anenu paryunthu polya evidulla Chela Christyanikalum
 
gslv claimed archeological evidence ,this is what archeologists found

Brahmasirachethamoorthy is one of the forms of Lord Siva. He got the name after plucking the fifth head of Brahma when the Lord of creation began considering himself equal to Siva as he too had five heads. As Siva carried the skull or the `Kapala' He was known as Kapali and the place He dwelt in became Kapaleeswaram. Saint Thirugnanasambandar mentions Kapaleeswaram in his verses. Another reason given for the name is that this temple belonged to the kapalikas, members of a branch of Saivism. It is believed that kapalikas lived in Mylapore and Thiruvottriyur in ancient times.

The present temple is believed to have been built during the 16th century and before that it was near the Santhome Beach. It is believed that the old temple went under the sea during a deluge. Remains such as pillars, inscriptions and sculptures were found during an archaeological excavation in the Santhome Cathedral in 1923 conducted by the Archaeological Survey of India. The inscriptions including one by Raja Raja Chola I also reveal this fact. One of the Thiruppugazh verses of Saint Arunagirinathar (1540 AD) on Lord Singaravelar in this temple also refers to this temple's proximity to the sea.

The Hindu : Ancient and enduring landmark

Portuguese destroyed the temple and erected a church there ....

ഇവിടെ ആരും "benefits" ചോദിക്കുന്നില്ല. We don't consider factions in christianity as separate entities. But, there are clear differences when it comes to their region of origin and their individual centers of power. Syrian christians of kerala have no affiliation with the pope. Syrian marthomites have no affiliation with the pope or any of the middle eastern churches.

Read gslv post he was demanding reservation for converted x'ians ....and his is not lone voice lots of X'ian groups are lobying to implement Ranganathan commission report
 
Athraku gathikadu nagalkilla ....Gathikedulla Chelvanmar pandu matham mariyitudu

Chila pakistanikal Arbikal anenu paryunthu polya evidulla Chela Christyanikalum

Peena enthina eyal kariethu.............

Oru...........Mathinum konum illa...................so i will not discuss religion
 
First you prove your Jewish ,Syrian thing ?

The traditional christians of Kerala are known as syrian Christians(Nazrani).They have long standing relation with syriac language and ecclesial relations with syriac.Nazranis used to study their prayers in syriac till synod of udayamperoor(1599),till 1960 qurbana was in syriac and They had a way of writing malayalam in syriac script (gurshuni)


The Name Nazrani

'Nazrane' is the word for describing a jewish christian.

Pesaha

Similarities of Jewish Passover and Pesaha of Nasranis

The Passover of Nasranis has some similarities with the Passover celebration of the Jews as listed below.

Cleaning of the household.
Usage of thoroughly cleaned or new dishes for cooking the Pesaha meal.
Both groups make unleavened bread on the day of Passover.
Traces of leavened food or grains are avoided.
The sweet drink among the Nasranis may be an incultured form of Charoset in the Jewish Passover Seder plate.
The head of the family serves the food.
Singing of special songs or hymns.
Alms-giving to the needy

Pesaha is a tradition observed by the Nasranis at home on the Thursday of Pesaha. This practice is observed with piety and has been preserved even after centuries of European influence. This is a unique tradition of Saint Thomas Christians. Uniqueness is its nature of celebration, i.e., Pesaha is a family celebration and not Church centured. It is not known to be practiced by any other Christian community in India and abroad.

1) Recent discovery of an ancient harbour in Kerala, India indicates the presence of Roman, Greek and Middle Eastern communities on the Malabar Coast even before the Christian era. This might point to the presence of early Jewish settlements in Malabar and thereby the tradition was handed over through the early Jewish converts among the Nasranis.

2) From literature it is clear that early Jewish Christians, particularly Aramaic speaking Christians, practiced several Jewish rituals including Pesaha up to the fourth century. This means that the tradition was handed over through the Persian emmigrants among the Nasranis.

3) An ancient copper plate (from 9th century) issued to the Nasranis by the local ruler indicates cooperation between Nasranis and the Jews of Kerala. It might be that the tradition was continued by the Jewish adherants who were absorbed into the community and later this was wide spread.

It leads us to the conclusion that the Pesaha of Nasranis could be traced back to an ancient Syriac Christian practice or it might be the influence of early or later Jewish converts in the Malabar Coast.


Dressing

the traditional christian attire for women is chatta-which is also dress of Cochin Jews.The earing has zoroastrian origins.

DNA Evidence

Recently DNA tests have shown high frequency of J2A (middle eastern) gene.

Naming conventions

According to Koonammakkal [2012b] the naming convention of Nasranis, “The eldest boy is named after paternal grandfather; the eldest girl receives the name of paternal grandmother; the second boy and girl get the names of maternal grandfather and maternal grandmother respectively. Thus four names were always inherited in the family with great pride and joy. One could choose the name of the fifth child, though the choice was often that of an uncle, aunt, parent, etc. Thus we can say that most of the names among St Thomas Christians are inherited from generation to generation. Even in modern times they rarely break this naming tradition. Often pet names are developed from baptismal names, but need not necessarily.” These rules are similar to that of Sephardic Jews according to Katz [2005]. According to the decree of the so-called Synod of Diamper, the names were chosen from the Old Testament only. The Synod proposed to accept New Testament names as well.

Musical characteristics in the liturgy

Eminent musicologist Ross [1979] studied the musical characteristics of liturgical music that is used by the Nasranis. He studied various aspects such as chant accentuation, mode, rhythmic and melodic motives and organum. According to the study, chant accentuation system of Nasranies is similar to the Palestinian *** system of Jews. Mode among the music of Syrian Christians is similar to Arabic maqamat, a system prevalent in Middle East at the beginning of Common Era.

In music theory, augmentation is the lengthening or widening of rhythms, melodies, intervals and chords. An augmented second is a major second raised a half step (or a semitone, or half a tone). Thus, if two notes are an augmented second apart, there are three semitones (one an a half tones) separating them. It is a frequently used interval in Arabic maqamat and Indian Raga. It is interesting that augmented second is not seen among Syrian liturgical music. This is also true for liturgical music of Cochini Jews. The solo recitation of the precentor (one who helps facilitate worship) is the melodic motives used in responsorial (an anthem consisting of short verses sung or spoken by the officiant and responses sung or spoken by the choir, especially after the lesson in a church service) and antiphonal song (a hymn or psalm performed by two groups of singers chanting alternate sections). The units of chant melody derive from initial melody, the recitation tone and cadential motives. These characteristics together with some others are similar to some Hebrew cantillation and prayer motives.

Syrian Christian music rhythm is logogenic, the melody has little or no tonal syntax independent from that of the words. Syrian Christian solo chant is in the flowing, free rhythmic, non-metrical manner termed ‘punctuation style’. The orthodox Jewish tradition does not allow decorated music. Orthodox Rabbis wanted chanting words only. So author believes that the music of Syrian Christians still have this characteristics of Orthodox Jewish music.

Organum in Syrian Christian music occurs in congregational singing of responses, antiphons or hymn tunes. This is seen among three isolated groups of Jews viz. Yemenite Jews, Cochini Jews and Hebrew Samaritans.

It is probable that a number of melodies that were once part of the common repertory of the Syrian churches in the Middle East and India are now extant only in Kerala.

Church centred life and Synagogue centred life

Ross [1979] and Katz [2005] mentions that the Nasranis and Cochin Jews are two communities grown in parallel in Malabar Coast. Ross mentions that the life style of Cochin Jews was synagogue centred. The Nasranis also have similar life style centred in their churches. It is well known that every Nasrani churches irrespective of the denominations have committee meeting after Qurbana (mass).

Kiss of peace

There is a custom called Kaimuthu among the Nasranis at the conclusion of forty days mourning period after someone dies. This is similar to ‘kiss of peace’ (kaikkasthoori), a custom that is seen in some Nasrani churches at the conclusion of Qurbana, which is passed from Bishop to Priest to worshiper. Kiss of peace is a sign of respect and friendship and has its roots in the Jewish Temple worship [Ross, 1979].

Restrictions in mixing milk and milk products with meat or fish

Nasranis do not mix milk and milk products with meat. This is particularly true during festival occasions such as wedding. The origin of Kachiya moru (cooked butter milk) might have origin from this custom. It is a tradition among a number of vegetarian communities to use curd or butter milk during parties. However, it may also be noted the Ayurveda also puts such restriction for mixing milk and meat products.

Presentation of babies in the Church after their birth

Decrees of the Synod of Diamper describes that Nasranis followed an exact tradition of Jews while presenting their children in the Church after their birth. Like Jews, Nasranis used to present their male children on the 40th day and female children on the 80th day after their birth. The Synod instructed Nasranis to abolish this practice because Jews also followed the same tradition.

Origin of Palappam and Kallappam

Palappam and Kallappam represent the cultural identity of Nasrani food. According to Gil [2010], Palappam originated in the southern tip of south India (Kerala) and is the traditional food of Kochini Jewish community. This is an indication that some food habits might have continued by the Jewish converts even after they have accepted Christianity or assimilated into the Nasrani community.

Indication from the Decrees of the Invalid Synod of Diamper

A number of action points imposed on the Nasranis by the so-called Synod of Diamper indicate that many of their customs and lifestyle was similar to that of Jews. Discussing them here is beyond the scope of this paper, but some mentioned below. Decree 15 of the Action VIII commanded the Nasranis to avoid of practice of abstaining from eating meat on Saturdays to be free from the pain of mortal sin. Further, the decree 16 of the same action asks to abolish the practice of observing the beginning and end of the day in the typical Jewish fashion, i.e., change the practice of counting day from “evening to evening” to “midnight to midnight” [Geddes, 1694]. These indicate that the Portuguese were aware of the presence of at least some Nasranis who followed the some laws of the Jews.

Other Practices

Koonammakkal [2012b] reports a number of other similarities such as the traditions of funeral Practices (ceremonial bath of dead body, mourning of seven days etc.) and purification practices of mother and child after child birth. During the wedding ceremony of Nasranis, the bride stand on the right side of the bridegroom and a bridal veil (manthrakodi) is used. This might also have originated from Jewish customs.

gslv claimed archeological evidence ,this is what archeologists found

Brahmasirachethamoorthy is one of the forms of Lord Siva. He got the name after plucking the fifth head of Brahma when the Lord of creation began considering himself equal to Siva as he too had five heads. As Siva carried the skull or the `Kapala' He was known as Kapali and the place He dwelt in became Kapaleeswaram. Saint Thirugnanasambandar mentions Kapaleeswaram in his verses. Another reason given for the name is that this temple belonged to the kapalikas, members of a branch of Saivism. It is believed that kapalikas lived in Mylapore and Thiruvottriyur in ancient times.

The present temple is believed to have been built during the 16th century and before that it was near the Santhome Beach. It is believed that the old temple went under the sea during a deluge. Remains such as pillars, inscriptions and sculptures were found during an archaeological excavation in the Santhome Cathedral in 1923 conducted by the Archaeological Survey of India. The inscriptions including one by Raja Raja Chola I also reveal this fact. One of the Thiruppugazh verses of Saint Arunagirinathar (1540 AD) on Lord Singaravelar in this temple also refers to this temple's proximity to the sea.

The Hindu : Ancient and enduring landmark

Portuguese destroyed the temple and erected a church there ....

Pilgrimage to the tomb of the Apostle.

There are concrete evidences from history, to show that right from the early centuries of Christian Era, pilgrims flocked to the traditional site at Mylapore ( South India ), where Apostle Thomas lay buried. Not only from Malabar ( Kerala ), but also from numerous foreign countries. The candid references from Asseman ( Joseph Aloysius, Professor & an authority on Syro-Chaldaic and Arabic languages, in his book ‘A commentary on Chaldean Patriarchs’ ), about the visits by the Nazranis of Malabar, to the Mylapore tomb. In the pre-Portuguese period, Malabar Christians used to make pilgrimages to the Mylapore tomb. He confirms that, it took 25 days to reach Mylapore, by land route ,as reported by four Chaldean bishops, in 1504, who after their arrival in Malabar, wrote their Patriarch, Elias. Eminent Church historian, from Kerala, Mathias Mundadan, in his book, elucidates the centuries long pilgrimage by Nazranis, to pay homage at the holy sepulcher of Thomasleeha (A.M.Mundadan, ‘ Traditions S T C’, p.12 ).

In the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, it is given that Alfred the Great, king of England, send an embassy with offerings to St. Peter at his tomb in Rome and to St.Thomas, at his tomb in India ( 884, AD.). Yet another testimony on the subject, is that of St.Gregory of Tours ( 538—594). In Gloria Martyrum (31,32, qtd.in Thomapedia,p.204.), he gives extensive information about the martyrdom and burial of the Apostle in India ( and transfer of his holy mortal remains to Edessa , in Syria ), on the strength of the first hand information, obtained in writing from certain Theodore of Syria, who visited the Mylapore tomb. Western travellers,including Marco Polo (1293 ),Franciscan Friar, Monte Carvino , John Maringnoli (1349), Nicolo De Conti (1430 ),visited the Mylapore tomb, much early to the coming of the Portuguese. Early church father, John Chrysostom, ( 347—407 ), asserts the significance of Mylapore tomb of Thomas, by comparing it with those of Peter and Paul The great Arab traveler,Berbossa who visited India,in 1515 AD, also confirms that the tomb, at Chinnamala , in Mylapore, is of the Apostle ( Mundadan, Ibid,p.18 ). ( These clear references, will expose the prejudicial approach of eminent historians like Dr.M. G.S.Narayanan, that ‘Mylapore tomb’ has no importance before Portuguese Colonial rule ! ).
Marco Polo mentions being shown this spot ( Mailapore, the city of peacocks ),at the Mount,in the 13th century. Even up to the present day, persons annually performs pilgrimages to this place, kiss this spot, where he was slain, deposit their offerings and report their prayers at the Apostles’ grave. ( Quoted in Land of Perumals,p.212-13 )
After critically examining all the contemporary literature on the subject, Adolf Medlecott , in his book ( India and Apostle Thomas,p.134 ), confirms that he is thoroughly convinced that the claim of Mylapore to be the place of martyrdom and of the burial of the apostle was not based on undeniable fact, the Christians of Malabar would never have acknowledged their neighbours’ claim oto hold the tomb of the apostle, neither would they ever be induced to frequent it by way of pilgrimage. Had this been a case of a fictitious claim put forth to secure public notoriety and importance, they would as probably have, any way, set up one for themselves, and would have certainly ignored the claim of the former. In another place, he says,' Nicolo De Conti, an Italian merchant ( 1423--1430 ), speaks about the tomb of St. Thomas , at Malpuria which was venerated by Nestorians, who were " scattered all over India, as the Jews among us " ( A. Medlecott, Ibid p.95 )
The tomb of Mylapore is unique in the world in the sense that it is the only tomb believed to have been the burial-place of Apostle Thomas. Hosten ( in his book ' Antiquities from San Thome', p.4-5 ), quotes Mar Solomon(Archbishop of Perath-Meshan, 1222 AD.), as saying that the city in India, where Apostle Thomas is buried is Mahluph. No other place in India, but Mylapore answers to the last part of the statement.
The following words will show the in separable connection between Mylapore tomb and Nazrani religious practices:
“Their ‘holy water’,the preparation of which was left the Sacristan, consisted of common water, in which a few particles of earth, brought from the grave of St Thomas, at Mailapuram, were dissolved”( Accounts of Portuguese writer, Paoli, quoted by Francis Day in ‘ Land of Perumals’ p.219).

Excavation at Mylapore.

The excavations, conducted by the Portuguese, in 1523, 1524 and in 1970 ( by Fr. Hambye, with the support Archeological Department of Tamilnadu government ) were not very fruitful, except provided some valuable insights to the historicity and authenticity of the tomb.(There is a wrong notion among some secular historians that the Tomb of St.Thomas,at Mylapore was located and identified by the Colonial Portuguese, who came here, in the 16th century. The fact is different. They got information about the tomb, from Nazranis of Kerala, and World travelers and other sources, cited in the preceding paragraph of this article. In the initial period , Portuguese religious leaders were reluctant to conduct any excavation. For them, the ancient East Syriac Christian group, popularly known as MarThomaNazranis ( St.Thomas Christians), was not under the direct control of Roman See, hence schismatic. It was as a part of their strategy to win over these Christians by hook or Crooke, they under took this unilateral excavation. Hence, it is a truth that some secular historians (and even Nazrani writers), view the Portuguese excavation and its findings ( e.g. the 'Bleeding Cross' of Mylapore ), with an element of suspicion. For them, Portuguese are 'master manipulators' in matters connected with religion. ).
“For several centuries there was the Sepulcher of Thomas, well built, indeed; the brick in its eastern wall belong to the 1st century,AD” ( Hambye.S.J,St.Thomas & India.).
These bricks have been well preserved in the eastern wall of the tomb and when Mr. A.H.Longhurst, the Superindent of the Archaeological Department, Southern Circle, visited the tomb in 1921, he said, that it must be very ancient, for the bricks used were of the same type as those used for the Buddhist Stupas, only that those in the Telugu country and in the North of India… ( See Thomapedia, p.5.). Twenty years later, excavations were made to the south of Mylapore. The measurements and nature of the bricks found in the eastern wall of apostle’s tomb ( 15” x 8” x 2.9” ), and the oldest bricks unearthed by the excavation of 1945,at Arikkamedu near Pondicherry ( 150 km south of Mylapore ), the Roman trading station of 1st century, AD, looks one and the same. ( Ibid p.5. ) Remember, according to tradition, Martyrdom,of the Apostle took place in AD,72.
Further, the tomb excavated by the Portuguese at Mylapore, is no ordinary tomb (3 ½ mts deep) like the tomb of the kings buried in the vicinity. ( See references in Rambanpaattu 5,7,3, and 2 ). ( The Indian tradition affirms that apostle Thomas died near the ancient town of Mylapore,his mortal remains were buried in the town, the spot in the chapel known after his name, that the Portuguese excavated in 1523, A D. According to tradition and clear description by Early Church Fathers like St.Ephraem,4th c. , St Paulinus of Nola,431. A.D., and St. Gregory of Tours, 594 A D , the mortal remains of St. Thomas, brought by an unnamed merchant, from India, subsequently buried in the shrine at Edessa, in Mesopotamia. ( See, Carmina Nisibina, 42, qutd. by Meddlecott.) Now the relic is venerated at the Ortona, in Italy. Remember, the excavation,conducted by the Portuguese , in 1524 A D , at Mylapore- tomb,could not discover the body of a person.) . In 1953, part of the relic of St.Thomas, was brought to Kerala and installed at Church at Azhikode near Kodungalloor.
Further excavations and research with the help of modern techniques and tools, ( e.g carbon-14 test) will throw more light to the validity of these conclusions, especially the ‘the age of the tomb’.


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