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[gslv mk3]

yeah but i doubt if any existed in Travancore/Malabar.

Perhaps only in Cochin/Alleppy/Idukki/Pathanamthitta.

Travencore=thiruvananthapuram,kollam,pathanamthitta,alleppy(parts of)
malabar is much norther

those 136 churches were in Travencore and thiruKochi

 

[Mech]

Contrary to the Augustinian teaching on original sin and human nature, Syrian Christians of kerala emphasized on human freedom and responsibilities. Portuguese clerics found such ideas heretic.....(remember, this was a period much before the western church reformation).

In 1653 leading member of the Syrian church, clergy and laity gathered in Cochin in front of an old stone cross. They were about 20,000 people and all of them could no touch the cross. So they tied cords from the cross and every individual gathered in protest against Portuguese persecution of native Christians pulled the chords--symbolically making a vow.

Paraphrasing the vow : " We shall renounce the foreign faith and shall return to the faith of our forefathers". The cross is still there for all to see. It is the leaning cross or "Koonen Kurisu" in the local language.

The first peaceful protest against foreign domination was done in fact, by Syrian Christians of Kerala.
@bronxbull @Marxist @gslv mk3 @Infinity

 

[nair]

Kore kalamayi ivide oru kuzhappavum illayirunnu.... Marunadan malayaliyaya enikku ithu oru entertainment ayirunnu... ivideyum mathavum jathiyum.... Enikku mathiyayi sahodaran maree........

 

[gslv mk3]

Contrary to the Augustinian teaching on original sin and human nature, Syrian Christians of kerala emphasized on human freedom and responsibilities. Portuguese clerics found such ideas heretic.....(remember, this was a period much before the western church reformation).

more important to portuguese was east syrian identity
Nestorianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mech]

Sure,he hated the protestants and the hindus a little more.

We weren't protestants at all. This is a wrong notion. There are many other churches not at all associated with catholocism. Syrian churches are not derivatives of the catholic church.

 

[gslv mk3]

No it is true,

Chennai/Madras was a small fishing village and of no importance to India before the Brits settled down there.

St.Thomas also could have visited India and he could have had a small number of followers but it was not important enough in India.

well pls read what I posted above =>his tomb was from 1st century,The cross excavated was from 6th century

We weren't protestants at all. This is a wrong notion. There are many other churches not at all associated with catholocism. Syrian churches are not derivatives of the catholic church.

Every Church is derieved from the first Christian community of world-The 12 disciples of Christ who were aramaic(syriac) speakers and hence were syrian christians

 

[gslv mk3]

Kore kalamayi ivide oru kuzhappavum illayirunnu.... Marunadan malayaliyaya enikku ithu oru entertainment ayirunnu... ivideyum mathavum jathiyum.... Enikku mathiyayi sahodaran maree........

എന്തെന്കിലും ഒരു മതത്തില്* പെട്ടവരെ ഒരു കാരണവും ഇല്ലാതെ കുറ്റം പറയാന്* ഇവിടെ ചില തെണ്ടികള്* ഉണ്ട്*

 

[nair]

3 divsasamayi njan ivide illayirunnu..... 101 pageil ninnum 106 page ayappol thanne njan urappichu...mathavum jathiyum thanne ayirikkum ennu... ividathe police emman maru nokki irikkuva oru karanam kittan ithu pootti kettan.... ingane ayaal adhikam vaikathe ee thread pootti kettum.... Pinne namukku manathottu nokki irikkam... Namovakam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Marxist]

@gslv mk3 you are posting from a blog ( Antiquity Of Indian Christianity: Validity of St. Thomas Tradition.( 4 ): Other historical references connecting Thomas & India ),thats why you are not giving the link ,and you are refuting article from a national daily with a blog source pathetic .....

എന്തെന്കിലും ഒരു മതത്തില്* പെട്ടവരെ ഒരു കാരണവും ഇല്ലാതെ കുറ്റം പറയാന്* ഇവിടെ ചില തെണ്ടികള്* ഉണ്ട്*

Swatham mathathil peta Nethakanmare kuttam parajnal chila nari thendikalku choriyum ,Avanmare rethiyle marupadi arhikunullu

 

[Marxist]

Njanum mattoru Hinduvum Mathathemo Rashtriyamo ,Hindu unity discuss cheythal ,ividuthe nasranikalku entha ithra prashnam? Hindukal nigale thirchariyunu enna vishmamano?

 

[bronxbull]

We weren't protestants at all. This is a wrong notion. There are many other churches not at all associated with catholocism. Syrian churches are not derivatives of the catholic church.

Ok,more closer to eastern orthodox.

 

[gslv mk3]

@gslv mk3 you are posting from a blog ( Antiquity Of Indian Christianity: Validity of St. Thomas Tradition.( 4 ): Other historical references connecting Thomas & India ),thats why you are not giving the link ,and you are refuting article from a national daily with a blog source pathetic .....

The facts mentioned in that article are correct.He have also given citations from many books.Or else prove otherwise.
RSS sources even say 'portuguese never mention St.Thomas in Synod of Diamper' and 'portuguese put st.Thomas in India'.
Both of these are false.There is a mention to St.Thomas in synod of diamper and most ancient syriac document of indian orgin-MS Vatican Syriac 22-written by a Nazrani deacon in AD 1301 mentions about throne of st.thomas in India.

Swatham mathathil peta Nethakanmare kuttam parajnal chila nari thendikalku choriyum ,Avanmarodu e rethiyle marupadi arhikunullu

എട കൊച്ചനെ ക്രിസ്ത്യാനി ആണെന്ന് വച്ചൂ എല്ലാ മെത്രാന്മാരുടെയും കൈമുത്തഴി നടക്കുന്നവന്* അല്ല ഞാന്*.നല്ല അച്ചന്മാരെയും മെത്രാന്മാരയും ബഹുമാനിക്കാനും അങ്ങനെ അല്ലാത്തവര്ട ലേലം സിനിമയില്* MG സോമന്* പറയുന്ന ഡയലോഗും പറയാന്* അറിയാവുന്ന നല്ല നസ്രാണി ആണെട കൊച്ചനെ ഞാന്*.

Ok,more closer to eastern orthodox.

Actually more closer to chaldeanism.

Njanum mattoru Hinduvum Mathathemo Rashtriyamo ,Hindu unity discuss cheythal ,ividuthe nasranikalku entha ithra prashnam? Hindukal nigale thirchariyunu enna vishmamano?

Hindu unity ennathu hindukalku vendi ullathavanam.allaathe ' hindu unarnal indiayile ella palliyum mosqum thakarkam' ennu parayunnavare support cheyyan alla!!!

hindu unified aakan st.thomas evide vannnitilla ennu parayano?
eviduthe ellla muslingalum terrorist aamennu parayano??
Nazranikalku kur Italy odu aanennu parayano??


Kashtam!!

 

[bronxbull]

can u translate the last line?

 

[bronxbull]

go to malabar especially rural areas - it looks what kottayam or central travancore looked 50 years back. what did they benefit? where were the funds?
Trivandrum is a beautiful city. but, for centuries and even after kerala formation, Trivandrum city is kept alive with Government funds. after knowing that almost 50% of Government income comes from Kochi region alone and the spending is on Trivandrum city and certain pockets. how can we accept this hegemony?
When 4 flyovers at Vyttila,Kundannoor,Edapally which would've been completed in 1990s is not YET even in project stage, who is responsible? there is a fierce Trivandrum lobby who have tasted the taste of power and lobbying and they want to slow down every other city in Kerala.

for eg: Kochi city is perhaps at least 30% bigger than Trivandrum.but, keeping city limit as of 1950s and making nearby kakkanad,vazhakkala,kalamassery etc etc as different "cities" Trivandrum lobby is destroying Kochi.

hell, during kerala state formation, Cochin raja and malabar joins by free will and Kochi was supposedly the capital but travancore rajah bullied it to have the capital at southern tip of kerala called trivandrum.
the issues of beuerocrats,secreteriat employees in 21st century wants to have High court in Trivandrum!

you may whine about shifting funds to malabar. look what malabar got? they are developing and even have rail connectivity before travancore got under madras presidency. after joining with kerala, cochin and malabar are growing by its own. now that leauge ministers are controlling the power, it may irk many.

I have met online Trivandrum warriors thick heads and moderators who edits cochin wiki page vandalizing it, deleting kochi pages from SSC and brutally targeting kochi/malabar forumers. Trivandrum is a city that thrives on funds,patronage from the city dwellers who obsessively wants to kill the rival(Cochin).

I am sorry, but if Kerala's capital get shifted to THRISSUR,KOCHI or even KOTTAYAM will work better. Heck, Trivandrum city will get slow development, but that city can grow into a pensioners paradise. as of now, it is a bane for rest of kerala.

I believe Trivandrum got more than it deserves. it is not worth spending Kochi's and rest of Kerala's money to keep alive a village like city(ofcourse beautiful..but boring as in a island).

No Problem,


we ll form a new state with Trivandrum/Kanyakumari/Tirunelveli/Tuticorin districts.

 

[Marxist]

@gslv mk3 first give links ,i dont have time to read your X'ian propaganda ....like this one The Myth of Saint Thomas and the Mylapore Shiva Temple ( 2010 - The Myth of Saint Thomas and the Mylapore Shiva Temple - Ishwar Sharan ) ...

Thaniku st.Thomasilum syrian ancestriyulum okke Vishvasikam athinula freedom undo ,Athe pole athelam Thetanenu Vishvasikanula freedom enikum undu