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mohtaram

This is where most Pakistanis are wrong. It was the Muslim league leadership that said that it was the princely state ruler's right to choose where he wants to go. And then the leadership totally ignored repeated pleas from muslim conference to change this decision. Even during the war the leadership refused to let go hyderabad deccan in place of kashmir. The result is this.

This Hyderabad for Kashmir lie has been repeated for so long people have started to believe it as the truth.

Things were not so simple, lets not judge history with the knowledge and false information that has been fed to us through history. Congress party was institutionally powerful with dozens of top tier leadership. We had Just Jinnah, then Liaquat Sahib and everyone else was a regional leader, it makes a difference because it limits the resources you have to negotiate.

Pakistan gained independence only after the British realised there is no other way, and only gave little over couple of months notice, take it or lump it. Jinnah knew he was sick, his options were limited. Plus, Nehru was a Kashmiri pundit, he was going to do all he could to keep hold of Kashmir. They still only control 50% of Jammu and Kashmir, 30% is under Pakistani control and almost 20% under Chinese control. For India, that is lose.

Nehru was in a relationship with Mountbatten's wife Edwina, that's a lot of leverage, and he and Mountbatten were working against Jinnah sahib. Mountbatten allowed Nehru to see the boundary award before it was announced, that's why Gurdaspur ended up with India, even though it had a Muslim majority, but it was also the only land route from India into Kashmir.

Please, lets view history with some understanding and recognise the lies we have been fed, those lies do not hold up to fair evaluation.

Tharparkar a hindu majority area ended up with Pakistan as well, so?

Right, but in your clarification, you have created a confusion, perhaps you are unaware because so many lie shave been spread.

Please allow me to explain.
India was never divided or partitioned or anything of the kind. British left by giving independence to two new states of India and Pakistan.
The only part of British India, not India, but the colony of British India, that was divided was the Punjab and Bengal, and few districts near Assam through a referendum.

So, in the act of dividing Punjab (not India) Gurdaspur was given to India whereas it should have gone to Pakistan.
Sindh was a separate matter, and the issue never arose because India was not divided, only the two provinces of Punjab and Bengal were.

 

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mohtaram

This is where most Pakistanis are wrong. It was the Muslim league leadership that said that it was the princely state ruler's right to choose where he wants to go. And then the leadership totally ignored repeated pleas from muslim conference to change this decision. Even during the war the leadership refused to let go hyderabad deccan in place of kashmir. The result is this.

This Hyderabad for Kashmir lie has been repeated for so long people have started to believe it as the truth.

Things were not so simple, lets not judge history with the knowledge and false information that has been fed to us through history. Congress party was institutionally powerful with dozens of top tier leadership. We had Just Jinnah, then Liaquat Sahib and everyone else was a regional leader, it makes a difference because it limits the resources you have to negotiate.

Pakistan gained independence only after the British realised there is no other way, and only gave little over couple of months notice, take it or lump it. Jinnah knew he was sick, his options were limited. Plus, Nehru was a Kashmiri pundit, he was going to do all he could to keep hold of Kashmir. They still only control 50% of Jammu and Kashmir, 30% is under Pakistani control and almost 20% under Chinese control. For India, that is lose.

Nehru was in a relationship with Mountbatten's wife Edwina, that's a lot of leverage, and he and Mountbatten were working against Jinnah sahib. Mountbatten allowed Nehru to see the boundary award before it was announced, that's why Gurdaspur ended up with India, even though it had a Muslim majority, but it was also the only land route from India into Kashmir.

Please, lets view history with some understanding and recognise the lies we have been fed, those lies do not hold up to fair evaluation.

Wrong. Mountbatten was using his wife to have an affair with Nehru to build leverage over Nehru.

Jinnah was never interested in Kashmir. His priority was Kalat & Baluchistan.

Ok, so you are saying the master was using his wife so he could control his servant, yeah, makes a lot of sense.

The Mountbatten's had an interesting sex life, and Nehru got India through a woman's punani.

Jinnah was interested in protecting the interests of all Muslims of South Asia, and around the world.

Just like Gandhi, Nehru and the Congress party were interested in protecting the interest of Hindus. They gave you a country, and now you spit on them, what a shame.

mohtaram

This is where most Pakistanis are wrong. It was the Muslim league leadership that said that it was the princely state ruler's right to choose where he wants to go. And then the leadership totally ignored repeated pleas from muslim conference to change this decision. Even during the war the leadership refused to let go hyderabad deccan in place of kashmir. The result is this.

This Hyderabad for Kashmir lie has been repeated for so long people have started to believe it as the truth.

Things were not so simple, lets not judge history with the knowledge and false information that has been fed to us through history. Congress party was institutionally powerful with dozens of top tier leadership. We had Just Jinnah, then Liaquat Sahib and everyone else was a regional leader, it makes a difference because it limits the resources you have to negotiate.

Pakistan gained independence only after the British realised there is no other way, and only gave little over couple of months notice, take it or lump it. Jinnah knew he was sick, his options were limited. Plus, Nehru was a Kashmiri pundit, he was going to do all he could to keep hold of Kashmir. They still only control 50% of Jammu and Kashmir, 30% is under Pakistani control and almost 20% under Chinese control. For India, that is lose.

Nehru was in a relationship with Mountbatten's wife Edwina, that's a lot of leverage, and he and Mountbatten were working against Jinnah sahib. Mountbatten allowed Nehru to see the boundary award before it was announced, that's why Gurdaspur ended up with India, even though it had a Muslim majority, but it was also the only land route from India into Kashmir.

Please, lets view history with some understanding and recognise the lies we have been fed, those lies do not hold up to fair evaluation.

Nehru was in a relationship with Mountbatten's wife Edwina, that's a lot of leverage, and he and Mountbatten were working against Jinnah sahib

This cracked me up ,seriously wife has illicit relationship with lover and the lover has leverage on husband.

I'm glad you find facts funny, you guys are gems.

I love this fantasy world you Indians have created for yourselves, please do not change, it makes life so much easier for the rest of us.

 

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mohtaram

This is where most Pakistanis are wrong. It was the Muslim league leadership that said that it was the princely state ruler's right to choose where he wants to go. And then the leadership totally ignored repeated pleas from muslim conference to change this decision. Even during the war the leadership refused to let go hyderabad deccan in place of kashmir. The result is this.

This Hyderabad for Kashmir lie has been repeated for so long people have started to believe it as the truth.

Things were not so simple, lets not judge history with the knowledge and false information that has been fed to us through history. Congress party was institutionally powerful with dozens of top tier leadership. We had Just Jinnah, then Liaquat Sahib and everyone else was a regional leader, it makes a difference because it limits the resources you have to negotiate.

Pakistan gained independence only after the British realised there is no other way, and only gave little over couple of months notice, take it or lump it. Jinnah knew he was sick, his options were limited. Plus, Nehru was a Kashmiri pundit, he was going to do all he could to keep hold of Kashmir. They still only control 50% of Jammu and Kashmir, 30% is under Pakistani control and almost 20% under Chinese control. For India, that is lose.

Nehru was in a relationship with Mountbatten's wife Edwina, that's a lot of leverage, and he and Mountbatten were working against Jinnah sahib. Mountbatten allowed Nehru to see the boundary award before it was announced, that's why Gurdaspur ended up with India, even though it had a Muslim majority, but it was also the only land route from India into Kashmir.

Please, lets view history with some understanding and recognise the lies we have been fed, those lies do not hold up to fair evaluation.

Mohtaram

thanks for your reply. Mountbatten had a personal grudge against Mr. Jinnah and hindus were total enemies, but,

Facts cannot be changed. It was the muslim league leadership that demanded that the princely states' rulers' will decide where to go. This was in direct violation of our own two nation theory.

The fate of Kashmir which was 70 km from rawalpindi HQ, having major rivers flowing into Pakistan and having 80% muslims which was more than the percentage of Karachi and Lahore was asked to be decided by a hindu ruler who was a known anti muslim and against whom the league campaigned many times.

You can read the letter from Muslim conference to Liaquat Ali where they plead with him to change Mr. Jinnah's policy regarding princely states referring to the killings taking place in poonch and bagh. The muslim league leadership didnt agree.

Even after accepting junagadh accession and being offered a plebiscite in all princely states at around Sep 27, 47, the league leadership refused. Even Khurshid Anwar Mr. Jinnah's personal assistant wrote a letter around october 47, describing gloomy situation in Kashmir and recommended military support.

Pakistan did offer Junagadh during the war around 1st nov 47, but the question stuck on hyderabad.

These are all facts. One more tale of tragedy may be which is not well known. Around 15th august 47, india integrated around 550 states, Pakistan had none. This should have made the leadership realize that its not going well.

We owe a lot to the azad forces, tribals, and GB scouts who sacrificed thousands to get what we have today. I believe that politicians and civil bureaucrats of Pakistan should never be allowed to make strategic decisions as they will do what was done in the case for Kashmir.

Bhai jaan, history only makes sense if we make correct interpretations, otherwise we are in danger of spreading lies.

Our history has been twisted so many times, even we have started to believe blindly and not evaluated it in fairy. The process of negotiations for independence was a long process, and it came to a abrupt conclusions, take it or leave it, only months before August 47.
The Poonch rebellion you mentioned happen only few months before independence, there was no room for further negotiations or demands, we just had to go through the motions.

Just because certain things are discussed, does not mean they are serious offers, I would hope this is already known. There was no chance at all about a swap of Hyderabad with Kashmir. Nehru, a Kashmiri Pundit wanted all of it, they only have 50%, and India did not have all the princely states on 15th of August, they also had to go through the negotiations process, the integration of India was a long process achieved through negotiations and military means.

I'm sorry but you are being extremely unfair in grabbing easy conclusions. You also forgotten the resources the congress party had in pushing it's agenda vs Muslim League and the lack of leadership depth. And the fact that Mountbatten showed Nehru the boundary award before it was announced.

Under the circumstances, Jinnah and the Muslim league did extremely well. The British probably were neutral but Mountbatten certainly was not neutral. His wife was F..king Nehru, and he hated Jinnah, these facts have only come forward after the event and have not been written about so much. because, our history has either been written by others, or individuals giving their own experiences, any experience without taking into account other facts distorts issues.

 

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mohtaram

This is where most Pakistanis are wrong. It was the Muslim league leadership that said that it was the princely state ruler's right to choose where he wants to go. And then the leadership totally ignored repeated pleas from muslim conference to change this decision. Even during the war the leadership refused to let go hyderabad deccan in place of kashmir. The result is this.

Yes rulers right not diwan's rights. On the topic of history lecturing it was kashmiris that harrased and even detained Pakistani envoys. This is a curse that they brought on themselves and should man up and take the responsibility rather than pointing fingers at Pakistan or India. Let go Hyderabad deccan? You know what the value difference of these 2 states were at that time , it's like asking to trade pomegranates for potatoes

 

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