Kashmiris must be allowed to decide their future: Imran Khan

[LegitimateIdiot]

They always had the choice to move to Pakistan. No one is stopping them.

Lol [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] You expect Kashmiri's to leave their house [emoji23][emoji23]

 

[Jackdaws]

In Punjab:

Tehsils that were transferred to India where Muslims were in absolute majority :

• Firozpur Jhirka (78.79% Muslims)
• Zira - (65.26 % Muslims)
  
• Ajnala - (59.46 % Muslims, 37% Hindus and Sikhs)
• Nakodar - (59.41% Muslims)
• Nuh - (57.8 % Muslims)
  
• Ferozpur - (55.25% Muslims)
• Batala - (55.07 % Muslims)
• Gurdaspur - (52.16% Muslims)
• Jalandhar - (51.1 % Muslims)

The most significant objections regarding the Radcliffe Award were that the tehsils of Ferozepur and Zira in Ferozepur districts, Nakodar and Jalandhar in Jalandhar district, Ajnala in Amritsar district and Gurdaspur and Batala in Gurdaspur district had Muslim majority and were almost contiguous to West Punjab, yet they were given to East Punjab or the Indian Punjab.



Tehsils transferred to India where Muslims were the largest religious group :

• Dasuya - 48.35% Muslims
  
• Amritsar - 45.49% Muslims
• Hoshiarpur - 45.09% Muslims
  
• Fazilka - 43.3% Muslims
• Muktsar - 42.79% Muslims
• Ludhiana - 39.27% Muslims

Tehsils transferred to Pakistan where Hindus and Sikhs were in majority

• NIL

Tehsils transferred to Pakistan where either Hindus or Sikhs were the largest religious group.

• NIL

Nil? Maybe in Punjab.

Wasn't Pakistan given the Chittagong Hill Tracts?

And districts in Sindh?

And a part of Assam?

I think Malerkotla in Indian Punjab is still Muslim majority so you skipped that.

 

[LegitimateIdiot]

That is their problem then. No one is stopping Kashmiris who are unhappy living in India to migrate to Pakistan.

They are welcome to live here or leave to Pakistan.

If they chose to live in India, they must adhere to the constitution and laws of India.

Yeah but Kashmir isn't India

 

[Jackdaws]

Muslims were expelled from areas and Tehsils of Punjab even where they were in majority. No Hindu or Sikh had to leave Hindu/Sikh majority areas.

As for Muslims also killing Non-Muslims during partition, no one is denying that. But the number of Muslims killed by Non-Muslims was much higher.

The attacks, financed by Hindu tycoons and Sikh Maharajas, were so well--planned and organized that many in Pakistan (and even in India) declared them "The Sikh Plan" and claimed that great Sikh conspiracy laid behind the attacks. Quite suspiciously, Sikh leaders had ordered their followers to evacuate en masse the canal lands of West Punjab (Faisalabad and Sahiwal especially) even though there were no attacks on them by Muslim mobs.

Even Nehru declared that the Sikhs were the aggressors. He said he believed that some Sikh leaders were hoping to provoke a war between India and Pakistan, so they could launch an invasion to recapture the western half of Punjab. Whatever the real intentions of the Sikh leaders were, they failed to achieve their goal. They were only successful in (either killing or) driving almost each and every Muslim out of East Punjab. But that didn't come without a cost. All Hindus and Sikhs (too) had to leave West Punjab.

A lot of hot air. Sikh were land owners in West Punjab and controlled a lot of the land.

A perspective on who started the violence from a Pak source.
https://nation.com.pk/29-Dec-2014/the-forgotten-massacre

 

[YeBeWarned]

I agree with prime Minister Imran Khan , let the Kashmiri decide .. if they chose to have a independent country so be it but it should be under UN protection so none of the parties can later try to invade it .

 

[Kabira]

A lot of hot air. Sikh were land owners in West Punjab and controlled a lot of the land.

A perspective on who started the violence from a Pak source.
https://nation.com.pk/29-Dec-2014/the-forgotten-massacre

That was not religious. North punjab was 97% muslim before British imported foreign hindus and sikhs. That was main reason they were killed. Killing of foreig colonists isn’t looked as genocide anywhere.

While killing of indigenous east punjab musiims was genocide by all accounts.

 

[Jackdaws]

That was not religious. North punjab was 97% muslim before British imported foreign hindus and sikhs. That was main reason they were killed. Killing of foreig colonists isn’t looked as genocide anywhere.

Lol. So Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs were foreigners in North Punjab? Hahahhahaha.

 

[Kabira]

Lol. So Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs were foreigners in North Punjab? Hahahhahaha.

Yes. They were imported by British from east punjab.

 

[Jackdaws]

Yes. They were imported by British from east punjab.

And the original inhabitants there. When did they convert to Islam?

 

[Kabira]

And the original inhabitants there. When did they convert to Islam?

Centuries ago.

 

[ALexxy87]

we are ready anytime .

lets finish this madness make a free country called kashmir

And what will happen to the part Pakistan ceded to China? Will they allow any referendum there?
If both side agree about referendum and J&K becomes independent, what made you think that both side will not contest for their influence over this piece of land strategically important for both the countries. It will remain as a flashpoint.
The best solution is to be satisfied with what both side got and convert the LOC to IB.

 

[Imran Khan]

And what will happen to the part Pakistan ceded to China? Will they allow any referendum there?
If both side agree about referendum and J&K becomes independent, what made you think that both side will not contest for their influence over this piece of land strategically important for both the countries. It will remain as a flashpoint.
The best solution is to be satisfied with what both side got and convert the LOC to IB.

i can ask same question what will happen to the part aksai chin which india loss to china ?
Pakistan land swap deal was not loss The agreement resulted in China withdrawing from about 750 sq m of territory, and Pakistan withdrawing its claim to about 2,050 sq m of territory (which it had not in fact occupied or administered).
while india loss to china t 37,244 square kilometers of Kashmir . now tell me whom created blunder sir . when it will be a free country do you think Kashmirs will allow you and us to play dirty on them ? it will have own power and own issues . you think we keep fighting and keep them dying because we are not sure abut future ? its not make sense sir . let them a free . country and see how they react they will have border with three countries .LOC is even border today then why is all this mess ? forget those days when we can solve it like LOC as border now kashmiri home grown movement is boiling . its not only between india and pak its all about kashmiris .

 

[ALexxy87]

i can ask same question what will happen to the part aksai chin which india loss to china ?
Pakistan land swap deal was not loss The agreement resulted in China withdrawing from about 750 sq m of territory, and Pakistan withdrawing its claim to about 2,050 sq m of territory (which it had not in fact occupied or administered).
while india loss to china t 37,244 square kilometers of Kashmir . now tell me whom created blunder sir . when it will be a free country do you think Kashmirs will allow you and us to play dirty on them ? it will have own power and own issues . you think we keep fighting and keep them dying because we are not sure abut future ? its not make sense sir . let them a free . country and see how they react they will have border with three countries .LOC is even border today then why is all this mess ? forget those days when we can solve it like LOC as border now kashmiri home grown movement is boiling . its not only between india and pak its all about kashmiris .

Simple. If the both side stop poking nose into the other side of the border and concentrate on their own affairs to get more powerful, thing will be settled down. Kashmir is important for both but not more than the existential threat posed by the MAD for both sides. Everywhere only the powerful ones dictate the game, isn't it? None ask a serious question to UK,USA, Russia or France about their presence in Falklands, Guam, Crimea or French Guiana...because they are the powerful ones. I am sure if India would not decolonize Goa, it would still remain as a colony of Portugal. So if both side becomes powerful enough, everything is bound to normalise. Remember, independent J&K would not be powerful enough overnight to resist two neighbouring nuclear powers from meddling into their internal affairs. Rather the whole mess will attract more world powers to intervene. So it would be the best and rational solution to share the land and close the case forever.
It would be a naive thing to consider that the independent J&K will be a de facto province of one and the other side will remain as mere spectator. The basic problem is that this issue have become a consistant political weapon for both the countries and none is ready to sacrifice this.

 

[Imran Khan]

Simple. If the both side stop poking nose into the other side of the border and concentrate on their own affairs to get more powerful, thing will be settled down. Kashmir is important for both but not more than the existential threat posed by the MAD for both sides. Everywhere only the powerful ones dictate the game, isn't it? None ask a serious question to UK,USA, Russia or France about their presence in Falklands, Guam, Crimea or French Guiana...because they are the powerful ones. I am sure if India would not decolonize Goa, it would still remain as a colony of Portugal. So if both side becomes powerful enough, everything is bound to normalise. Remember, independent J&K would not be powerful enough overnight to resist two neighbouring nuclear powers meddling into their internal affairs. Rather the whole mess will attract more world powers to intervene. So it would be the best and rational solution to share the land and close the case forever.
It would be a naive thing to consider that the independent J&K will be a de facto province of one and the other side will remain mere spectator. The basic prolem is that this issue have become a consistant political weapon for both the countries and none is ready to sacrifice this.

first LOC is not border we did not poke our nose on indian borders . its not only pakistan but also kashmiris and indians did not recognise LOC as border . so there is no border .once again sir you are making mistake that india pak can solve it without kashmiris . even if we agreed on LOC as border kashmiris will not stop fighting . ans honestly how can we did it AZAD kashmir is already semi independent place.just because we are scared of future we should not make it a country ? i think then GB should not give independence to sub content as we are fighting like mad . its not the issue what Kashmirs will do after independence should not be our problem .i agree both countries make it ego problem and that is why both are suffering now . we should open hearts and minds . kashmir is not end of world we have big countries without kashmir too

 

[ALexxy87]

first LOC is not border we did not poke our nose on indian borders . its not only pakistan but also kashmiris and indians did not recognise LOC as border . so there is no border .once again sir you are making mistake that india pak can solve it without kashmiris . even if we agreed on LOC as border kashmiris will not stop fighting . ans honestly how can we did it AZAD kashmir is already semi independent place.just because we are scared of future we should not make it a country ? i think then GB should not give independence to sub content as we are fighting like mad . its not the issue what Kashmirs will do after independence should not be our problem .i agree both countries make it ego problem and that is why both are suffering now . we should open hearts and minds . kashmir is not end of world we have big countries without kashmir too

Every country tries to look after their interest wheather it is their right or not. If they are powerful enough, make that happen. The people are lead by a few leaders only. If they are taken to the table and told that both of the countries agreed to keep their share and you have to live with it, what options will they have?(although I think they also know that they have nowhere to go except india-pak.) World politics is a shrewed one and none is ready to open their heart to declare that they don't need a particular territory. I am not saying this is ehical, but it is real.