Kashmiris must be allowed to decide their future: Imran Khan

[M. Sarmad]

Nil? Maybe in Punjab.

Wasn't Pakistan given the Chittagong Hill Tracts?

And districts in Sindh?

And a part of Assam?

I think Malerkotla in Indian Punjab is still Muslim majority so you skipped that.

Maler Kotla was a princely state. Kapurthala was another Muslim majority princely State in Punjab that went to India. They were not Tehsils of British Punjab.

We are talking about Punjab here

In the east,

The Buddhist majority Chittagong Hill Tracts were given to Pakistan because they were inaccessible to India

Khulna District (52% Hindu) was given to East Pakistan in lieu of Murshidabad district (70% Muslim) which went to India.

Sylhet district of Assam joined Pakistan in accordance with a plebiscite. However, the Karimganj sub-division with a Muslim majority was severed from Sylhet and given to India. As of the 2001 Indian Census, Karimganj still has a Muslim majority of 52.3%.

Division of Sindh was not included in partition plan

A lot of hot air. Sikh were land owners in West Punjab and controlled a lot of the land.

A perspective on who started the violence from a Pak source.
https://nation.com.pk/29-Dec-2014/the-forgotten-massacre

Partition was not carried out on the basis of land ownership. What are you on about?

Your arguments are just confined to Punjab and surrounding regions. But Partition has to do much more than just Punjab. Do read about Direct Action Day by any neutral sources and you will understand why things unfolded in such a sad and ugly manner.

This thread is about Indian Occupied Kashmir. In order to provide India a land access to Kashmir, several Muslim majority Tehsils from the adjoining Punjab province were unfairly transferred to India. That's why the argument about Punjab. Do you get it now?

 

[Tom M]

This thread is about Indian Occupied Kashmir. In order to provide India a land access to Kashmir, several Muslim majority Tehsils from the adjoining Punjab province were unfairly transferred to India. That's why the argument about Punjab. Do you get it now?

Well then go complaint to the Brits about that. Here in India most people (during that period) believe the partition (especially based on religion) itself was unfair. So there is nothing unfair about it. Learn to live with it.

then india should send imam of kabba or imam of medina to them if you want them just to stop it for nothing there is game cooking on backdoor and they will never show cards till last day . its for all three parties . one thing is clear this is not gonna stop people have just turned violent more then ever

God Forbid, but do you think an operation similar to your "Zarb-e-azb" or "Radd-ul-fasaad" is not possible if GOI and IA become too desperate, huh ??

The fact is, things are still very much under control and yes backdoor talks will keep on happening as usual. Do you personally still believe (after all these years) and better outcome from these??

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

People can stop dreaming of marching their armies into each other's part of Kashmir and winning an awe inspiring victory over the other. Those days ended the day nukes came into the playing field. It now has to be all done through the painfully slow and tiresome process of diplomacy.

 

[HAIDER]

Modi is heading toward limited war to win the election. Modi intentionally fanning the violence in Kashmir. Today Indian govt impose curfew and arrest all Kashmiri leaders.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Well then go complaint to the Brits about that. Here in India most people (during that period) believe the partition (especially based on religion) itself was unfair. So there is nothing unfair about it. Learn to live with it.



God Forbid, but do you think an operation similar to your "Zarb-e-azb" or "Radd-ul-fasaad" is not possible if GOI and IA become too desperate, huh ??

The fact is, things are still very much under control and yes backdoor talks will keep on happening as usual. Do you personally still believe (after all these years) and better outcome from these??

So you are comparing the anti terrorism operations of a country against international terrorist to what's happening to the local population in Kashmir by the IA? Thays very desperate please troll better if your going to, next time.

 

[MultaniGuy]

That is their problem then. No one is stopping Kashmiris who are unhappy living in India to migrate to Pakistan.

They are welcome to live here or leave to Pakistan.

If they chose to live in India, they must adhere to the constitution and laws of India.

Kashmir does not belong to India. Kashmir is disputed territory according to the Untied Nations.

Nice try though.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Well then go complaint to the Brits about that. Here in India most people (during that period) believe the partition (especially based on religion) itself was unfair. So there is nothing unfair about it. Learn to live with it.

No one is complaining, mate ... Just trying to educate some ignorant fellows from across the border about history and facts ...

And next time please don't quote me if you have nothing serious to discuss .. Thank You

 

[Jackdaws]

Not British colonists from east punjab or India.

You didn't tell what they were.

 

[Kabira]

You didn't tell what they were.

Bhudists, who cares? They were indigenous unlike hindu/sikh implants by British or sikh empire before that.

 

[HalfMoon]

It was you occupied their and first not them.1947 partition was not forceful people left their homes on their own will.No need to make exceptions here ,it,s crystal clear kashmir is a disputed territory and referendum is their right.
If kashmiris want to become part of india accept it.
If kashmiris want to become part of pakistan accept it.
If kashmiris want a separate country accept it.
You are denying their referendum right because you know you will lose.But let me remind you gupta history is evident you cannot suppress and control people for too long. Oppression only makes the oppressed more stronger in his/her cause,belief or goal.
Now this vicious cycle of mass rape,killings and abductions must come to end.

Let's have a referendum for Pakistan first before talking about referendum for Kashmir.

A bharti cannot tell what Kashmiri can or cannot do. Try coming to Azad Kashmir with ill agenda...

And a **** can tell an Indian how it should deal with J&K?

yeah except the hindu mobs get to enjoy the freedom to lynch whoever and wherever they want, and hindu fascists and extremists are elected to power.
An amazingly secular republic for sure.

Pakistanis should be the last ones to distribute certificates of secularism to others.

They are the indigenous peoples. Indian Hindu skin pigment is not made for that weather.

You are underestimating the determination of the Indians.


Tough as nails : Siachen’s soldiers from Madras Regiment
Soldiers from the Madras Regiment have scripted compelling tales of courage and resolve at the world’s coldest and highest battlefield
Rahul Singh
Hindustan Times

Soldiers have to endure extreme weather conditions at the world’s highest battlefield on the Siachen Glacier.(PTI)

• Read More | ‘He was the toughest’: How Siachen soldier survived 35 ft of snow
  
  “The Thambis are silent workers but very dependable soldiers to carry out any assignment. Other qualities include mental toughness, physical robustness and adaptability,” said Lieutenant General Subroto Mitra (retd), who is from the Madras Regiment.
  
  Hanamanthappa’s battalion, 19 Madras, was part of a brigade commanded by Mitra in Jammu and Kashmir in 2004-05. General Mitra recalled its outstanding drills, ethos and a dogged determination to succeed.
  
  Over the years, the Thambis have carried out some key tasks on the glacier such as building helipads, opening new routes and constructing a fuel pipeline.
  
  HT gives you a low down on the regiment’s track record in Siachen and what makes the Thambis tick on the glacier:
  
  3 Madras: It was the first battalion from the regiment to be inducted into Siachen in 1988. Veteran officers say the decision to send the unit to Siachen had set tongues wagging, with a few cynics doubting the ability of Thambis to survive in those alien, extreme conditions. But the battalion performed splendidly. It killed 15 enemy soldiers and lost 10 of its own men during the period. The battalion’s casualty rate was one of the lowest compared to other units.
  
  The battalion had a rare second tenure on the glacier in 2005. The soldiers are credited with opening a new route to the landlocked Sonam post, the same post where Hanamanthappa and his comrades were deployed.
  
  Read More | Siachen survivor major boost for high-altitude medicine: Army docs
  
  2 Madras: The second battalion from the regiment to serve in Siachen in 1993. A senior officer says the tenure of 2 Madras proved that the Thambis had what it took to face any kind of challenge head-on.
  
  9 Madras: The third battalion to be deployed in Siachen in 2001. Before India and Pakistan signed a ceasefire pact in November 2003, the extreme conditions were not the only worry as casualties were also caused by enemy firing. The battalion’s performance, however, measured up to expectations.
  
  Read more:Sand sculpture at Puri beach dedicated to Siachen braveheart
  
  11 Madras: It was the fourth battalion from the regiment to be deployed in Siachen. A Madras Regiment officer recalls that the unit conducted a large number of assaults on enemy posts and disrupted the enemy’s maintenance activity till the truce was declared in 2003. One of the key achievements of the Thambis was their role in constructing a kerosene pipeline from the Siachen base camp to the forward posts.
  
  17 Madras: The Thambis of this battalion call themselves Khatras or danger. They were inducted into the glacier in 2007. Like their predecessors, the Khatras didn’t disappoint either. The men held posts at heights of nearly 21,000 feet, braving temperatures that would often drop below minus 50 degree Celsius.
  
  25 Madras: The battalion was tasked with the responsibility of defending a large frontage of the actual ground position line (AGPL) between India and Pakistan in 2014. Another senior officer, familiar with the deployment, says: “The battalion enhanced the operational and administration sustenance of troops by improving mobility within complexes by bridging crevasses, opening new routes and constructing helipads.”
  
  12 Madras: It went to Siachen in 2014 and played a central role in de-inducting, repairing and re-inducting a wide variety of weapons and equipment. The Thambis also recovered the mortal remains of two soldiers killed on the glacier nearly 20 years ago. The senior officer says, “It was an immensely gratifying moment that brought much awaited closure for the families.”
  
  19 Madras: Koppad’s battalion is about to complete its 90-day deployment on the glacier.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...as-regiment/story-91RhCx5e57inUV9nSDdutL.html

Lol [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] You expect Kashmiri's to leave their house [emoji23][emoji23]

Many people left their homes including the Advanis and Musshraffs of the land. Having said that they are many Kashmiris like Abdullahs who hate to leave Kashmir for Pakistan.

Yeah but Kashmir isn't India

Yeah and Pakistan is a fictitious country.

Kashmir does not belong to India. Kashmir is disputed territory according to the Untied Nations.

Nice try though.

UN is irrelevant here. Indians know to defend its sovereignty.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Let's have a referendum for Pakistan first before talking about referendum for Kashmir.

Referendum happened when Muslim League won all Muslim majority provinces from Congress in 1946.

The partitioning was done to deny Pakistan the right to its full territory.

Congress, which claimed it could represent its Muslim minority, rejected Pakistan’s right to represent its Hindu/Sikh minority within its borders. Look at the hypocrisy.

Yeah and Pakistan is a fictitious country.

Mods, how is this allowed here on PDF?

@Dubious @waz @WebMaster

UN is irrelevant here. Indians know to defend its sovereignty.

Rule of law is more important than might is right.

This is the basis of society. What you are calling for is not only a bloodbath but anarchy.

 

[HalfMoon]

Mods, how is this allowed here on PDF?

@Dubious @waz @WebMaster

The point is just because you say something does not become a reality.

Whether ones likes it or not, J&K being part of India and Pakistan as a separate country from India are a reality.

 

[War Thunder]

Pakistanis should be the last ones to distribute certificates of secularism to others.

Who wants secularism? That's the biggest bullshit there is in the world, and a good distraction for the weaker minds.

Yet, you fellas are a fail at being secular.

So...

 

[HalfMoon]

Who wants secularism? That's the biggest bullshit there is in the world, and a good distraction for the weaker minds.

Yet, you fellas are a fail at being secular.

So...

Hinduism is inherently secular. No other religion can beat that. Not even comes close.

 

[Jackdaws]

Bhudists, who cares? They were indigenous unlike hindu/sikh implants by British or sikh empire before that.

Buddhists? Lol. All of them?