Kashmiris concerned by plans for Hindu satellite cities

[Contrarian]

The Muslims in kashmir know the fate of muslims in places like Gujraat, hence the fight is on to keep Kashmir Muslim

The fight for kashmir will be stepped up, and article 370 will be defended but hindu's will never be allowed back into kashmir


Assam and Bengal will be muslims states before that happens

Um no they wont. In a couple of decades Kashmir will no longer be Muslim majority.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Gangulyjee what is your opinion about this development?

If majority of the Pandits are to return, they will be able to return ONLY if special areas are marked for them. This sounds bad but is inevitable because of the following reasons :

i. The Pandits left not because of a few targetted killings in the Valley. They left because their Muslim neighbors either wanted them out or kept deafening silence. You can't expect these people to go back to live among such neighbors.
ii. There is considerable paranoia about Hindus in the Valley now, among the general population, especially in Srinagar.
iii. Most of the abandoned Pandit property in Amira Kadal, Habba Kadal and Central areas are already either destroyed, burnt down to celebrate the exodus or occupied by the neighbors. And let's face it - they ain't go out easily, nor would the pandits like to go back to Central Srinagar.

Um no they wont. In a couple of decades Kashmir will no longer be Muslim majority.

That should be the ultimate objective. It's a bitter medicine but can't be helped. How did Churchill and Stalin(yes they was evil) settle the German minorities solution? By encouraging Poles, Czechs etc to 'push' Germans from their lands entirely. A demographic solution is the only permanent solution.
If the whole country can live together (barring minor issues), Kashmir should no longer be an exception.

Withdraw your army from Azad Kashmir. It is the first condition. We shall follow with plebiscite.

No longer relevant. We hold on to our land simply because we can. If we don't have an army or if we have no strength and still win the plebiscite, Pakistan will (rightly) take all that we have. Policies should not be based on morality or ethics but national interest.

 

[hussain0216]

Um no they wont. In a couple of decades Kashmir will no longer be Muslim majority.

Pffft not only will Kashmir be muslim majority, a number of indian states will have much larger muslim populations

 

[Contrarian]

Pffft not only will Kashmir be muslim majority, a number of indian states will have much larger muslim populations

That does not matter.
Kashmir will be non-Muslim majority soon. That is what matters.

 

[hussain0216]

That does not matter.
Kashmir will be non Muslim majority soon. That is what matters.

Everything matters

If you dont think india's muslim population going past 200 million and some states pushing beyond the 30%, 40% and even 50% muslim mark dosent matter then your confused

combined with hindu right wing goverments, riots, desire by AlQaida, ISIS etc to enter the indian "market"

It all matters



Kashmir is disputed, Pakistan and Kashmiri's will not allow hindu access into Kashmir without response, mark my words

You can plan, but it will kick off

 

[Contrarian]

Everything matters

If you dont think india's muslim population going past 200 million and some states pushing beyond the 30%, 40% and even 50% muslim mark dosent matter then your confused

combined with hindu right wing goverments, riots, desire by AlQaida, ISIS etc to enter the indian "market"

It all matters

Indian Muslim birth rates are already declining. Indian Muslim population is expected to peak at 18% of India's total population. That is decades from now. So it does not really matter whether they add a few percentage points nationally or a little more in some states where they are concentrated as long as they remain under 20% mark.

Kashmir is disputed, Pakistan and Kashmiri's will not allow hindu access into Kashmir without response, mark my words

You can plan, but it will kick off

Pakistan and Kashmiris cant do anything. If they were capable, they would not have been shot at the border like they get every now and then like flies. If they were capable, Kashmir would have been in Pakistan by now. You are putting your hopes on incapable people.

Whereas India is moving forward in implementing its plan.

 

[hussain0216]

Indian Muslim birth rates are already declining. Indian Muslim population is expected to peak at 18% of India's total population. That is decades from now. So it does not really matter whether they add a few percentage points nationally or a little more in some states where they are concentrated as long as they remain under 20% mark.


Pakistan and Kashmiris cant do anything. If they were capable, they would not have been shot at the border like they get every now and then like flies. If they were capable, Kashmir would have been in Pakistan by now. You are putting your hopes on incapable people.

Whereas India is moving forward in implementing its plan.

200 Million people with states with high percentage of muslim matters, especially if you have increasingly fundamentalist hindu's, riots and a population under threat


Pakistan has already taken a big portion of kashmir and there is not a hindu in sight, the pandits were already thrown out of large portions of kashmir and you have spent billions in subsidies for Kashmiri youth to support Pakistan....


This attempt to bring pandits/hindu's into kashmir is a underhand acceptance that the Kashmiri muslims dont consider themselves indian and its costing india alot of treasure and effort to keep the status quo..



You are planning to bring hindus into kashmir, when the first ones arrive then talk, then wait for the reaction



Whats your plan, force the local anti-hindu population to accept the hindu's, hell even if you dont go through with your plan it will be the basis of fear mongering and insurgency in Kashmir and as soon as fear mongering and insurgency pick up this plan goes out the window

 

[AugenBlick]

Whats your plan, force the local anti-hindu population to accept the hindu's, hell even if you dont go through with your plan it will be the basis of fear mongering and insurgency in Kashmir and as soon as fear mongering and insurgency pick up this plan goes out the window

No it doesn't
The insurgents will be

 

[Roybot]

The Muslims in kashmir know the fate of muslims in places like Gujraat, hence the fight is on to keep Kashmir Muslim

The fight for kashmir will be stepped up, and article 370 will be defended but hindu's will never be allowed back into kashmir


Assam and Bengal will be muslims states before that happens

Nothing more ironic than seeing people who think India has occupied Kashmir defend the Article 370 of the Constitution of India

 

[Screambowl]

Sure, but if it is just not like what Israel do with Palestinians.

Backing Kashmiri separatists and anti Hindu elements there, are not Palestinians, it is you people with a nuclear power. We are aware of your capabilities and what ever Govt. will do it will have plans.

 

[Contrarian]

200 Million people with states with high percentage of muslim matters, especially if you have increasingly fundamentalist hindu's, riots and a population under threat

They dont matter, percentages matter. At any point they will learn to accept what the country wants. A couple of percentages increase wont make any additional difference.

Pakistan has already taken a big portion of kashmir and there is not a hindu in sight, the pandits were already thrown out of large portions of kashmir and you have spent billions in subsidies for Kashmiri youth to support Pakistan....

Pakistan took kashmir from kashmiris. They took it from the Raja of Kashmir. Talk about after when India entered the game.
Since then, these incompetent people have not been able to take anything. All the Pakistani's and Muslims of the world put together could not take an inch. Shows you incompetence eh?
You are putting your hopes on the wrong people.

This attempt to bring pandits/hindu's into kashmir is a underhand acceptance that the Kashmiri muslims dont consider themselves indian and its costing india alot of treasure and effort to keep the status quo..

Who gives a crap whether Kashmiri Sunnis accept India or not. Shias have already accepted India and are the backbone of intelligence grid and core supporters of Indian Army in Kashmir.

The entire gig about showing Kashmiri sunnis have accepted is just a charade meant to keep world audience happy. We are going to change the demography in any case. The birth rates of sunnis in the valley has already declined a lot.

Whats your plan, force the local anti-hindu population to accept the hindu's, hell even if you dont go through with your plan it will be the basis of fear mongering and insurgency in Kashmir and as soon as fear mongering and insurgency pick up this plan goes out the window

That is why new cities will be built for the Hindus, idiot. Read the article. New suburbs and cities will be built for Hindus and Sikhs there.

The sunnis who oppose it will be dealt with exactly how we have dealt with those sunnis who want to join Pakistan. Its more of the same from our side in the response. What will sunnis do...they sure arent making more kids to keep their majority.

 

[JanjaWeed]

Nothing more ironic than seeing people who think India has occupied Kashmir defend the Article 370 of the Constitution of India

Chit bhi meri pat bhi meri.

 

[hussain0216]

No it doesn't
The insurgents will be

If AQ and ISIS make a entry into India they will not go into Kashmir to destroy there, they will hit delhi, calcutta, mumbai you have countless slums and places to work in

The Kashmiri fighters are mild, they only want independence there has only been a couple of instances like Mumbai when fighters targeted other parts of india and look what happened, chaos, Mumbai shut down for days



The Jihadi fighters are becoming battle hardened across the world they have more battle field experience then most armies INCLUDING india, they are also really beginign to ramp up the way they do business

They dont matter, percentages matter. At any point they will learn to accept what the country wants. A couple of percentages increase wont make any additional difference.

Pakistan took kashmir from kashmiris. They took it from the Raja of Kashmir. Talk about after when India entered the game.
Since then, these incompetent people have not been able to take anything. All the Pakistani's and Muslims of the world put together could not take an inch. Shows you incompetence eh?
You are putting your hopes on the wrong people.

Who gives a crap whether Kashmiri Sunnis accept India or not. Shias have already accepted India and are the backbone of intelligence grid and core supporters of Indian Army in Kashmir.

The entire gig about showing Kashmiri sunnis have accepted is just a charade meant to keep world audience happy. We are going to change the demography in any case. The birth rates of sunnis in the valley has already declined a lot.


That is why new cities will be built for the Hindus, idiot. Read the article. New suburbs and cities will be built for Hindus and Sikhs there.

The sunnis who oppose it will be dealt with exactly how we have dealt with those sunnis who want to join Pakistan. Its more of the same from our side in the response. What will sunnis do...they sure arent making more kids to keep their majority.

Kashmir was taken from Hindu's, the Hindu's were cleansed from Pakistan's side and pushed out of the Indian occupied side and Kashmir made more islamic

Decades of occupation and billions in subsidies hasent changed that, kashmiri's still support Pakistan in cricket and wave the Pakistan flag


Any attempt to change the demographics will instigate the insurgency again, this time is ISIS and AQ hungry to enter India,, hell a couple of riots here and there may even help the cause



Kashmir is a balancing act it always was,,, just randomly saying we are going to build cities, import millions of hindu's give them more benfits then the locals and expecting the kashmiri politicians, locals, people, fighters, Pakistan or anyone else just to sit there and do nothing is just silly

 

[Black Widow]

Withdraw your army from Azad Kashmir. It is the first condition. We shall follow with plebiscite.

Not only P0K But from Gilgit Baliitsan, The resolution says

1. Pakistani troops will be withdrawn from Entire Kashmir (including Gilgit Balistan)
2. Indian govt will keep minimum forces to keep peace in Kashmir
3. After these two activities the plebiscite can be done only when there will be peace in Kashmir


I think Pakistani don't even bother to read UN resolution... Or May be it is not taught in Madrsas

 

[Contrarian]

Kashmir was taken from Hindu's, the Hindu's were cleansed from Pakistan's side and pushed out of the Indian occupied side and Kashmir made more islamic

You don't get it do you. Kashmir was taken from a Hindu raja, but it was always Muslim majority. But it will not remain so in the future.

Decades of occupation and billions in subsidies hasent changed that, kashmiri's still support Pakistan in cricket and wave the Pakistan flag

Yeah, and we know it wont change. That is why we enlisted shias in our side and they have made invaluable contribution. Now we will change the demography and make it a non muslim majority state.

Any attempt to change the demographics will instigate the insurgency again, this time is ISIS and AQ hungry to enter India,, hell a couple of riots here and there may even help the cause

It will happen. For ISIS to enter India would mean they cross Iran & Pakistan. Good luck with that.
Meanwhile, we will already have done it

Kashmir is a balancing act it always was,,, just randomly saying we are going to build cities, import millions of hindu's give them more benfits then the locals and expecting the kashmiri politicians, locals, people, fighters, Pakistan or anyone else just to sit there and do nothing is just silly

No one expects Pakistan and kashmiris sunnis to do nothing. They will try, but since they are incapable, their efforts will amount to what they have for the last 50 years - nothing.

We will probably kill a few more Pakistani's on the fence and here and there and that is about it.