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[karan.1970]

Karan i don't need lectures from you on anything. Thanks for your offer.


by the way, every time a U.S. President takes oath --he touches the Bible. There are references to God (e.g. pledge of allegiance).


But even then, i would assert U.S. is more or less a secular state; except for maybe some ultra-nationalist conservatives, especially in the southern or other rural regions where religion plays a more dominant role --incidentally less diverse areas (look at utah for example)

U.S. post depression cannot be equated to hindustan, which is hardly 6 decades old. The values are totally different. There is still a lot of religious intolerance in hindustan; even among people with political power.

but now we are deviating from the topic....

Wasnt a lecture Abu.. More of a suggestion.. Feel free to ignore..

So I agree about the level of intolerence about religion in India. However that doesnt take away the fact that formally there is no state religion for India. As a matter of fact the Political party that has been in power for 90% of the time since India's independence is considered as anti Hindu by the right wing political spectrum.

 

[karan.1970]

Half of India will be integral part of Pakistan in the future.

time to go to bed dude.. you are mixing up eRepublik and real life. Get away from your Comp sometimes and get a life..

 

[Omar1984]

Half of India will be integral part of Pakistan in the future.

Then those 900 million hindus of india will be settling in Islamabad, Lahore, Karachi, Peshawar, and Quetta.

Pakistan's total population is just 175 million.


Think before you speak. Uttar Pradesh, Mumbai, Tamil Nadu are not disputed, while Kashmir is a disputed territory recognized as disputed by the United Nations.

 

[brahmastra]

so if you are confident in those so-called elections, pray tell me why hindustanys are the most insecure, quivery people on the face of earth every time plebisite topic is brought up?

It is laughable when pakistanys talk about plebisite. Fulfill the preconditions first. kick out all non Kashmirys from so calles 'Azad Kashmir' and as they have their Prime minister declare it as a country and do not show it as a part of your country then talk to Indians.

why? b/c realities (the GROUND REALITIES in Kashmir, not ToI/hindu ''realities'') on the ground suggest that hindustan ALREADY HAS lost occupied Kashmir.

The day you stop reading MasktheTruth and graterKashmir you will know India has last kashmir or not.

why do the people of this disputed territory declare your independence day as a black day? That alone is a huge snub.

Some thousand people from only valley do not represent whole kashmir who has leader want exactly opposite what people want.(First chice to join pakistan ).

 

[Omar1984]

Kashmiri leaders rebuff ‘abhorrent’ suggestions


SRINAGAR: The Indian Muslim clergy which pitchforked itself in the Kashmiri crisis was in for a rebuff by the Kashmiri separatist leadership for their suggestions to deal with the dispute.

The powerful Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind, body of Deobandi clerics, at its Kashmir conference at Deoband on Sunday apart from stating that ‘Kashmir was an integral part’ suggested that ‘the issue be resolved within the parameters of the Indian constitution’.

The stand 'abhorrent' to the Kashmir separatists was pooh- poohed by both the hard-line as well the moderate leaders of the conglomerate, All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC) and the pro-independence Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF).

The hard-line separatist leader, Syed Ali Shah Geelani who is in the vanguard of the over four-month-long pro-independence unrest in Kashmir which has claimed 110 lives and left hundreds wounded, trashed the suggestion saying ‘the conference had ignored the root cause of the problem which had raised questions over the bonafides of the conference itself’.

“The conference should have taken into consideration the pledges made by Indian leadership to allow the people of Kashmir decide their future- a fact even been acknowledged by the international community,” he added.

“We don’t agree with the suggestion that Kashmir issue be resolved within the frame work of the Indian constitution, ” the moderate APHC chairman, Mirwaiz Moulvi Umar Farooq said.

“There are three parties to the dispute, India, Pakistan and Kashmiris. All the three parties have to be involved to find a solution to the problem.

“The issue which has been a subject of several UN resolutions cannot be resolved within the Indian constitution,” Mirwaiz told Arab News.

"I appeal to the Indian Muslims not to get involved about the political part of the Kashmir problem as we fully understand their limitations,” pro-independence Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) front chairman Yasin Malik said.

The separatist leadership, however, thanked the clerics for having raised their voice against the human rights violations and for demanding revocation of the draconian Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA).

Another Muslim organization, Anjum Minhaj-e-Rasool has also pleaded for ‘the resolution of the problem under the Indian constitution’ and asked the government to ‘take immediately conciliatory measures to mollify the anger of Kashmiri people rather than using repressive force’.

The chairman of the Anjuman, Athar Hussain Dehlvi also demanded the revocation of the AFSPA.



Kashmiri leaders rebuff ?abhorrent? suggestions - Arab News

 

[Hulk]

For Pakistani's asking us to have a plebiste should answer the following question first.
What right do you have in your so called Azad Kashmir, have you done plebisite or anything. India atleast has letter of accession you have nothing. So practice first before you preach.

Do not come back with an answer there is no protest there, it does not means you have got the right to rule.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

For Pakistani's asking us to have a plebiste should answer the following question first.
What right do you have in your so called Azad Kashmir, have you done plebisite or anything. India atleast has letter of accession you have nothing. So practice first before you preach.

Do not come back with an answer there is no protest there, it does not means you have got the right to rule.

oh you are 100% absolutely right. You have a "letter of accession" which gives you the right to subjugate, kill and oppress other human beings --those which are morally and politically opposed to you.

Over 100 killed in past few weeks in a new wave of resistance and defiance; yet you even bring up a piece of paper that ignores 1,000,001 other factors. I WILL bring up the fact that there are no protests in Azad Kashmir; because its relevant. I sure as hell don't see Azad Kashmiris holding hindustany flags, that's for sure! Not sure I can say the same thing about the start & crescent waving with honour @ Lal Chowk, occupied Sri Nagar



oye -- mishter! you are delusional.....

 

[Hulk]

@Abu
India entered Kashmir after it was called. The person who ordered the Army to March in Kashmir was a Kashmiri himself (Nehru is Kashmiri). There was no way Nehru could have checked each and every Kashmiri to ask if they want India to come.

For 40 years there was no demand for separation. That is good enough time to dispute a claim if party disagrees most of people now protesting were not even born in 1947. So we cannot have a plebiscite every time generation changes. People in 1948 never protested for 40 years end of story. Plebisite was between India and Pakistan only.

 

[Hulk]

Show 1 proof between 1948 and 1950 where majority Kashmiri asked for plebiscite? The Kashmiri never went to UN so that resolution is not representative of Kashmiri.

 

[RamGorur]

Since Pakistan's stand is clear, it therefore stands to reason that the stand is well known to all Pakistanis. So, what is Pakistan's stand on 'independence' of Kashmir? What is Pakistan's stand on NA being part of the 'dispute'? Since Pakistan wants plebiscite, what is Pakistan's stand on how to conduct such plebiscite? As per UN resolutions? In that case, what is Pakistan's stand on troop withdrawal or on the definition of 'local authority'?

Is there any white paper/communique or any other official document explaining these positions?

Enlighten us.

 

[RollingStones]

Kashmiri leaders rebuff ‘abhorrent’ suggestions


SRINAGAR: The Indian Muslim clergy which pitchforked itself in the Kashmiri crisis was in for a rebuff by the Kashmiri separatist leadership for their suggestions to deal with the dispute.

The powerful Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind, body of Deobandi clerics, at its Kashmir conference at Deoband on Sunday apart from stating that ‘Kashmir was an integral part’ suggested that ‘the issue be resolved within the parameters of the Indian constitution’.

The stand 'abhorrent' to the Kashmir separatists was pooh- poohed by both the hard-line as well the moderate leaders of the conglomerate, All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC) and the pro-independence Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF).

The hard-line separatist leader, Syed Ali Shah Geelani who is in the vanguard of the over four-month-long pro-independence unrest in Kashmir which has claimed 110 lives and left hundreds wounded, trashed the suggestion saying ‘the conference had ignored the root cause of the problem which had raised questions over the bonafides of the conference itself’.

“The conference should have taken into consideration the pledges made by Indian leadership to allow the people of Kashmir decide their future- a fact even been acknowledged by the international community,” he added.

“We don’t agree with the suggestion that Kashmir issue be resolved within the frame work of the Indian constitution, ” the moderate APHC chairman, Mirwaiz Moulvi Umar Farooq said.

“There are three parties to the dispute, India, Pakistan and Kashmiris. All the three parties have to be involved to find a solution to the problem.

“The issue which has been a subject of several UN resolutions cannot be resolved within the Indian constitution,” Mirwaiz told Arab News.

"I appeal to the Indian Muslims not to get involved about the political part of the Kashmir problem as we fully understand their limitations,” pro-independence Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) front chairman Yasin Malik said.

The separatist leadership, however, thanked the clerics for having raised their voice against the human rights violations and for demanding revocation of the draconian Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA).

Another Muslim organization, Anjum Minhaj-e-Rasool has also pleaded for ‘the resolution of the problem under the Indian constitution’ and asked the government to ‘take immediately conciliatory measures to mollify the anger of Kashmiri people rather than using repressive force’.

The chairman of the Anjuman, Athar Hussain Dehlvi also demanded the revocation of the AFSPA.



Kashmiri leaders rebuff ?abhorrent? suggestions - Arab News

This seems to be logical. I dont think these Kashmiri leaders are viewing it as a Muslim nationhood issue. Its just that they want to be in power rather than the dudes who currently are. All parties currently in power are going to resist that. The question is which Kashmiri side will win? I dont see this as a true struggle for independence, but as a power struggle between multiple parties. A true struggle for independence would have convinced the world by now, especially given all the "Indian atrocities" oft quoted here.

 

[PakSher]

Kashmir, Junagarh, UP and Hyderabad Deccan is integral parts of Pakistan.

 

[RamGorur]

“The conference should have taken into consideration the pledges made by Indian leadership to allow the people of Kashmir decide their future- a fact even been acknowledged by the international community,” he added.

The inconvenient part they deliberately suppress is that, the plebiscite was conditional to the withdrawal of Pakistan from its illegally occupied areas of Kashmir.

“We don’t agree with the suggestion that Kashmir issue be resolved within the frame work of the Indian constitution, ” the moderate APHC chairman, Mirwaiz Moulvi Umar Farooq said.

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&#8220;The issue which has been a subject of several UN resolutions cannot be resolved within the Indian constitution,&#8221; Mirwaiz told Arab News.[/B]

The idiot doesn't realize that a government can't act outside it's constitution even if there are 10 million Chapter VI UN resolutions. And if UN resolutions are to form the basis for resolving Kashmir issue, then it is Pakistan that has to take the initiative. Not India.

I guess that's why he is called a useful idiot.

 

[Gabbar]

Kashmir, Junagarh, UP and Hyderabad Deccan is integral parts of Pakistan.

What is this? Joke of the day contest going on here?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Then those 900 million hindus of india will be settling in Islamabad, Lahore, Karachi, Peshawar, and Quetta.

Pakistan's total population is just 175 million.


Think before you speak. Uttar Pradesh, Mumbai, Tamil Nadu are not disputed, while Kashmir is a disputed territory recognized as disputed by the United Nations.

well said.


by the way, Islamabad; Lahore; and my neck of the woods (Peshawar) are fine as is. No demographic shifts needed or desired.

I want those cities to remain clean.


the Kashmiri peoples are an integral part of Kashmir. They always will be. Until the issue is solved, it is a disputed territory. It will be treated thusly, not just by Pakistan, but the world.







p.s. funny hindustanys should mention the deoband/JeU-H considering they issued a fatwa against their vande mutaram around this time last year.