Kashmir | News & Discussions.

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Thanks for rejecting. I was just wondering why MMS even extended this gesture (I feel its more like a token gesture to buy some time). And Mirwaiz Farooq can forget about right to self-determination in this and next life time. Its not going to happen if history is any guide.

Just because many Indians and the Indian State are morally bankrupt and insist on continuing occupation and subjugation of the Kashmiris and denial of their right to self determination as promised them, and accepted by India, in the UNSC resolutions, does not mean those struggling against Indian occupation will give up or should give up.

Next time violence occurs you know exactly who to blame - Indians like yourself and your nation.

 

[linkinpark]

Just because many Indians and the Indian State are morally bankrupt and insist on continuing occupation and subjugation of the Kashmiris and denial of their right to self determination as promised them, and accepted by India, in the UNSC resolutions, does not mean those struggling against Indian occupation will give up or should give up.

Next time violence occurs you know exactly who to blame - Indians like yourself and your nation.

Well I don't want to regurgitate same things which have been discussed to death on many threads on this forum. Frankly, its boring.

What I would like to state is that Kashmir's fate is firmly in India's hand as it is legally acceded to us. If you go by the world-wide support (or the lack of) that "separate kashmir" gets, one gets convinced that the resolution of this dispute will be to the satisfaction of India which most likely be status-quo. These days even big powers like US, UK also shudder to utter the K-word in front of Indians indicating the clout that India wields at the world stage and will do so more forcefully for a long time to come. Pakistan or the minuscule Kashmiri separatists have no leverage over India to resolve this issue. India has the time, patience and resources to weather through any storm of violence that will be thrown towards it.

India has developed a thick skin to the Kashmir issue and any violence that happens will be taken in its stride. You can blame all the violence in Kashmir on India if you want. You can scream at the top of you lungs that India is a morally bankrupt country, if you want. But, it is better if people realize that practically secession of Kashmir is not going to happen. Without strong world super power support none of these issues are going to get solved to the satisfaction of Pakistan or Kashmiri separatists as one case see on whose side these super powers are. The faster this realization dawns upon these parties the better it is for their lives and their future generations.

 

[anathema]

^^ Linkin let it go dost. Like we say 'Whatever helps them to sleep better'......

Pakistani's have been trying to rake up the issue through covert and overt means for the past i dont know how many years --- let them do it. We should just focus on improving Kashmir (development, jobs , etc) ...thats it !

 

[mohan goyal]

Well I don't want to regurgitate same things which have been discussed to death on many threads on this forum. Frankly, its boring.

What I would like to state is that Kashmir's fate is firmly in India's hand as it is legally acceded to us. If you go by the world-wide support (or the lack of) that "separate kashmir" gets, one gets convinced that the resolution of this dispute will be to the satisfaction of India which most likely be status-quo. These days even big powers like US, UK also shudder to utter the K-word in front of Indians indicating the clout that India wields at the world stage and will do so more forcefully for a long time to come. Pakistan or the minuscule Kashmiri separatists have no leverage over India to resolve this issue. India has the time, patience and resources to weather through any storm of violence that will be thrown towards it.

India has developed a thick skin to the Kashmir issue and any violence that happens will be taken in its stride. You can blame all the violence in Kashmir on India if you want. You can scream at the top of you lungs that India is a morally bankrupt country, if you want. But, it is better if people realize that practically secession of Kashmir is not going to happen. Without strong world super power support none of these issues are going to get solved to the satisfaction of Pakistan or Kashmiri separatists as one case see on whose side these super powers are. The faster this realization dawns upon these parties the better it is for their lives and their future generations.

great pragmatic analysis buddy... u r right, nobody on world's forum do not utter K-word.

 

[linkinpark]

^^ Linkin let it go dost. Like we say 'Whatever helps them to sleep better'......

Pakistani's have been trying to rake up the issue through covert and overt means for the past i dont know how many years --- let them do it. We should just focus on improving Kashmir (development, jobs , etc) ...thats it !

Let them rake this issue wherever they want. Support for Kashmir issue has already dwindled and whatever is left is on ICU and it will not go on for long. At some point of time fatigue will set in and no one is resistant to this including kashmiri separatists and Pakistan. Everything is going in our favor, all we need to do is wait patiently and develop kashmir valley, so that jobless youth get occupied with some thing more productive.

I'm not going to discuss who is right or wrong because that has been done to death. I'm only interested in what will be the fate of this issue considering the strategic/economic value of Pakistan and India at the world stage.

 

[indushek]

People are so happy to see what is happening in Kashmir, well this is not new. Its happened before too, but no matter what India will not let go of Kashmir. Repeat this as many times as u want.

 

[gubbi]

Just because many Indians and the Indian State are morally bankrupt and insist on continuing occupation and subjugation of the Kashmiris and denial of their right to self determination as promised them, and accepted by India, in the UNSC resolutions, does not mean those struggling against Indian occupation will give up or should give up.

Don't hide behind UN resolutions, when Pakistan has blatantly ignored the provisions of UN resolution 47 (remember it was under chapter-VI -nonbinding). Even Pakistan accepted the UN resolutions, pray then, why arent you guys abiding by it?
It is Pakistan which has no moral say in the matter. It was Pakistan who initiated this nasty conflict by initially invading the then independent state of Kashmir in 1947/48 on flimsy grounds. It is Pakistan who has the blood of many innocents including numerous Kashmiris on its hands. And you talk of morals? What a fallacious argument! Talking about moral bankruptcy, take a good look at your own country.

Next time violence occurs you know exactly who to blame - Indians like yourself and your nation.

Again that is indeed a very stupid comment. Dont generalize here. Similar yardsticks can the applied everywhere. The only people who are to blame are the 'aazadi' mongers - bloody opportunists who instigate the mobs and the "moral" support from across the border, which are responsible for the bloodshed that is happening today. Next time violence occurs, India shoould just take care of those 'aazadi' mongers. Period. Anyway, Kashmiris dont deserve leaders of the likes who bray for "a few more martyrs" to further their own personal agendas.

 

[indiaworldpower]

Just because many Indians and the Indian State are morally bankrupt and insist on continuing occupation and subjugation of the Kashmiris and denial of their right to self determination as promised them, and accepted by India, in the UNSC resolutions, does not mean those struggling against Indian occupation will give up or should give up.

Next time violence occurs you know exactly who to blame - Indians like yourself and your nation.

Dont talk about bankruptcy buddy, see your own country first.

Now regarding the Kashmir, this is maximum any Indian government can do. Independence for Kashmir won't happent no matter how many people die. This is truth, take it or leave it.

 

[KS]

Good for us....for now we know exactly whom to blame for the violence.

 

[DGMO]

I'm surprised the seperatists (especially Mirwaiz) have rejected autonomy outright, as realistically that's the most they're going to get.

GoI needs to cut down on the poetic language and put some concrete gestures in place. Just sitting back and looking at the reaction of the GoI, and it does seem very slow-footed. That's not me having a dig, so please don't view it as one. But would be good to see some courage from the Indian leadership, something that they can turn around and say 'look at what we done in terms of action or a gesture to the Kashmiri's, that's unprecedented, we're serious about a solution'.

Yes the violence may die down, yes India has become thick skinned about Kashmir, but you've turned Kashmir into a dormant volcano. It will erupt again without tackling the issues head on (as the last three successive summers have shown).

The only problem is, you can't quite estimate the intensity of the eruption next time.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

hindustany occupation forces have placed Mr. Umer under house arrest for the umpteenth time.

so much for being a ''democracy'' (go figure)


by the way, obviously the Kashmiris will reject any handouts like so-called autonomy. Interestingly enough, we granted almost full autonomy to Azad Kashmir and there are not many problems to report there.

obviously this is more than just economics or other factors....Kashmiris are existentialists and they deserve their right to choose the fate of their land and themselves.

they deserve that right free from threats, intimidation, torture and violence by the occupation forces of the increasingly troublesome neighbour

 

[somebozo]

Chacha Manmohan tera kiya hogaa....

 

[gurjot]

Chacha Manmohan tera kiya hogaa....

 

[KS]

hindustany occupation forces have placed Mr. Umer under house arrest for the umpteenth time.

so much for being a ''democracy'' (go figure)


by the way, obviously the Kashmiris will reject any handouts like so-called autonomy. Interestingly enough, we granted almost full autonomy to Azad Kashmir and there are not many problems to report there.

obviously this is more than just economics or other factors....Kashmiris are existentialists and they deserve their right to choose the fate of their land and themselves.

they deserve that right free from threats, intimidation, torture and violence by the occupation forces of the increasingly troublesome neighbour

US doesnt speak abt Kashmir,UK doesnt care abt Kashmir,Russia,France,China just turn a blind eye,the powers that may be just ignore it but Pakistan for all it is worth keeps harping Kashmir Kashmir as if it is going to make a darn difference.

One piece of advice..lokk inside ur country ppl...place it on a stable footing,push it onto the path of recovery and economic growth..then u can become the "thekedars of the Kashmiris".

Until then no one takes u seriously and the sooner u realise it the better for all.

 

[DGMO]

hindustany occupation forces have placed Mr. Umer under house arrest for the umpteenth time.

so much for being a ''democracy'' (go figure)


by the way, obviously the Kashmiris will reject any handouts like so-called autonomy. Interestingly enough, we granted almost full autonomy to Azad Kashmir and there are not many problems to report there.

obviously this is more than just economics or other factors....Kashmiris are existentialists and they deserve their right to choose the fate of their land and themselves.

they deserve that right free from threats, intimidation, torture and violence by the occupation forces of the increasingly troublesome neighbour

Brother, if India entered into dialogue with Mirwaiz and co, and firm guarantees were made from the Indian side on autonomy. Total and absolute, with a drawdown of military forces, repeal of things like AFSPA, the Seperatists were invited to be part of the state Govt and even accepted, how would you feel?