The Eagle
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What is happening in September?
Expecting JF-17 Thunder Block-III.
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What is happening in September?
and your suggestions are valuable and informative sirYou are failing to consider the entire gamut of threats faced by early warning radars. Jamming, spoofing, hacking, evasion are all possible ways to thwart radars.
Selective jamming will target a sharp beam of EM energy for a very short duration. Enough for a high speed aircraft to slip through.
Spoofing will create ghosts in an entirely different sector, taking away your prime assets.
Hacking/subversion will cause malfunction in the very software. I am including kill switches in this category.
Finally, no radar coverage can be comprehensive. Clusters of radars will cause localized cancellation effects creating a gap. ELINT assets are used to find out such gaps.
And creative minds can think of even more ways. Given the above, it is imperative for PAF to:
1. Acquire indigenous capability to create both the hardware and software for radars.
2. Adopt multiple modes of surveillance including thermal, acoustic, visual, space based, and HUMINT.
3. Utilize the power of MIMO processing to get a real-time 3D picture that is robust in the face of enemy subversion.
Once this coverage is up to scratch, then there is a whole world of FCRs, tracking radars, and SAMs.
And then comes the part of creating a comprehensive strategy to combine the various elements.
Hoe can you say with authority what technology is used by Indian Flankers?
You have to start from JV and than move forward and imorove upon it.In an ideal world, I would see completely indigenous development. The result of JV MUST NOT be Pakistan paying money and someone else doing development, or Pakistan making local copies.
You have to start from JV and than move forward and imorove upon it.
Look at jf17
Do you thunk we could have done it without JV
for that sir we need a critical mass of highly trained and motivated engineers and technicians.As long as the vision is there, the path doesn't matter. Look at JF-17 Thunder. Even after 20 years, we dont have local infrastructure to design our own LIFT platform.
for that sir we need a critical mass of highly trained and motivated engineers and technicians.
The only benefit I see with more hard points is to carry more pods without sacrificing EFT's or 4 AAM loadout. A bigger engine can power up more powerful radar and jammers.
For air superiority role and engaging large attack parties, as we say in recent skirmishes, more bvrs would definitely help in engaging more targets thus distracting them from their basic objective.
What about Pak deep state letting the FO run by expats? Surely, they know much better how both worlds operate.
Come on. Everybody knows F 16s played the major role on 27th FebRD-93 is the same turbine-fan as RD-33. We are getting 20+:1 OPR wth marginally reduced BPR with RD-93. Trust us its as good as GE. We just gave you a demonstration on Feb, 27th.
trueSeventy years is enough time to produce anything. It has been criminal negligence. Both civil and military leaders are complicit. Whether it is because lack of knowledge, lack of vision, or lack of support. No excuse is enough excuse.
Come on. Everybody knows F 16s played the major role on 27th Feb
Jf17 is slightly shortlegged /less range
With respect to hard points it just really need a pod hard point only
Engine is issue for two reasons
Low dry thrust
Non FADEC engine
Low effiency
A new engine will thus increase range significantly and might help in payload even with no change in airframe
We are only talking about 10-15% increase DRY thrust..Jets only have few minutes of after burn fuel..dry thrust is what is important
and enough perks and resources to keep them committed and motivatedfor that sir we need a critical mass of highly trained and motivated engineers and technicians.
Absolutely sirand enough perks and resources to keep them committed and motivated
its a 2 way process
demanding hardwork int he name of patriotism is unfair
Or simple rd 33mk version. Even without any stutural changes the new engine will give better rangeIncreasing dry thrust and combining it with a lighter air frame are the only ways to move forward.
A better engine; the WS-19 is planned to match the GE 414, and would give the JF-17 a modern engine.
Hopefully Block III has a decent increase in percentage of composites, and if the Turks are helping with Block 4, then their knowledge of F-16 and F-35 construction should help optimize the JF-17 into a modern 4.5 generation air frame from a Thrust to Weight aspect.
If there is a requirement from the PAF for longer legs, then a design can be studied. Something like the Gripen E/NG's evolution from the C model. If we really plan to scale up the design going for a single engine TFX with a WS-15 class engine would be a better idea. hopefully by when the WS-15 will have matured and may even allow a TFX to be able to supercruise.
Or simple rd 33mk version. Even without any stutural changes the new engine will give better range